Obama: Americans 'Fed Up' With Washington

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President Obama said Thursday there have been "no winners" in the government shutdown dispute, and lawmakers will have to work hard to regain the trust of Americans.

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spud

Reading, PA

#43 Oct 22, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
First off the poster's concern seemed to be punctuation instead of facts, but whatever.
Of course Obama was a bystander in the shut down nonsense. Why in the world we he negotiate with Congress for doing something silly.
ACA is a law. It was a done deal. There are ways to change the law, but to expect somebody to "cancel" a law is ridiculous.
This would be the same thing as if the previous owner of your home showed up one day four years after the sale is complete and said he wanted to renegotiate the purchase price you paid. You of course would say that they have no legal standing to make such a request and you would ignore them. Would it really matter to you if the guy stood on your front lawn with his fingers in his ears ranting that you "refuse to negotiate"? I suspect it probably would not.
The shut down was no different. There was no legal basis whatsoever for what they were trying to do and Obama was not going to play their game.
Thank you for trying to respond logically but I'm not buying it. You compare Obamacare, which is a done deal, to a house seller who has a change of heart on the price he received. The house seller, in your hypothetical case, is definitely trying to weasel more money out of the deal at the expense of the innocent purchaser. It's a move of pure greed against a signed contract. That's not good. Obamacare, on the other hand, was a bill that was rushed through to prevent the people from seeing all its drawbacks. It's not fair because it grants exemptions to favored groups concerning its various provisions. It became law under many false pretenses. The way it became a bill is similar to what they were accusing 'predatory lenders' of doing that contributed to the housing crash. There has been far too much dishonesty surrounding this bill. After 3+ years, they don't even have an operable website to enroll people in the exchange. Now that the light of day has been cast on Obamacare, the majority of people believe they were sold a defective product via deception. Pride, stubbornness and the inability to admit they were wrong are the unacceptable reasons that Democrats are still trying to fit this square peg into a round hole.

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#44 Oct 22, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for trying to respond logically but I'm not buying it. You compare Obamacare, which is a done deal, to a house seller who has a change of heart on the price he received. The house seller, in your hypothetical case, is definitely trying to weasel more money out of the deal at the expense of the innocent purchaser. It's a move of pure greed against a signed contract. That's not good. Obamacare, on the other hand, was a bill that was rushed through to prevent the people from seeing all its drawbacks. It's not fair because it grants exemptions to favored groups concerning its various provisions. It became law under many false pretenses. The way it became a bill is similar to what they were accusing 'predatory lenders' of doing that contributed to the housing crash. There has been far too much dishonesty surrounding this bill. After 3+ years, they don't even have an operable website to enroll people in the exchange. Now that the light of day has been cast on Obamacare, the majority of people believe they were sold a defective product via deception. Pride, stubbornness and the inability to admit they were wrong are the unacceptable reasons that Democrats are still trying to fit this square peg into a round hole.
He sounded more like Vince, the ShamWow shyster, than he did a president who was concerned because his healthcare site was put together by people who had no clue what they were doing. Maybe I am wrong, but I sure didn't hear an apology for the inconvenience that many experienced due to a site that was ill-conceived.. Rather he was shilling a phone number to call, that gave those interested no relief in their quest for info.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#45 Oct 22, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>He sounded more like Vince, the ShamWow shyster, than he did a president who was concerned because his healthcare site was put together by people who had no clue what they were doing. Maybe I am wrong, but I sure didn't hear an apology for the inconvenience that many experienced due to a site that was ill-conceived.. Rather he was shilling a phone number to call, that gave those interested no relief in their quest for info.
Teddy, this is one of the misnomers I keep hearing on TV. Obama did not put together any insurance plans. All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same policies that have always been issued.

The website is not the best, but I have had far worse problems with other websites. On October 1 it was hard to get through, but on October 2 with an assist from the call in number I sailed right through. Soon I will be saving $1500 a month for a far superior policy then I have now. I will never have another occasion in my life to ever have to use this site again.

The website is just a portal. It is no different than Kayak.com . You enter your information, press enter and then long lists of polices come up. In my case I was offered a choice of 116 private insurance plans. Once you decide on a policy you are now being handled by the insurance company. Government involved is finished.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#46 Oct 22, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for trying to respond logically but I'm not buying it. You compare Obamacare, which is a done deal, to a house seller who has a change of heart on the price he received. The house seller, in your hypothetical case, is definitely trying to weasel more money out of the deal at the expense of the innocent purchaser. It's a move of pure greed against a signed contract. That's not good. Obamacare, on the other hand, was a bill that was rushed through to prevent the people from seeing all its drawbacks. It's not fair because it grants exemptions to favored groups concerning its various provisions. It became law under many false pretenses. The way it became a bill is similar to what they were accusing 'predatory lenders' of doing that contributed to the housing crash. There has been far too much dishonesty surrounding this bill. After 3+ years, they don't even have an operable website to enroll people in the exchange. Now that the light of day has been cast on Obamacare, the majority of people believe they were sold a defective product via deception. Pride, stubbornness and the inability to admit they were wrong are the unacceptable reasons that Democrats are still trying to fit this square peg into a round hole.
You are over thinking my analogy. I just used a home purchase as an example of somebody trying to reopen a legal procedure that has been completed. Same with ACA.

There are ways to change laws that you do not agree with. Immigration reform is a good example. It is not easy and takes a long time, but that is the proper route to take.

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#47 Oct 22, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Teddy, this is one of the misnomers I keep hearing on TV. Obama did not put together any insurance plans. All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same policies that have always been issued.
The website is not the best, but I have had far worse problems with other websites. On October 1 it was hard to get through, but on October 2 with an assist from the call in number I sailed right through. Soon I will be saving $1500 a month for a far superior policy then I have now. I will never have another occasion in my life to ever have to use this site again.
The website is just a portal. It is no different than Kayak.com . You enter your information, press enter and then long lists of polices come up. In my case I was offered a choice of 116 private insurance plans. Once you decide on a policy you are now being handled by the insurance company. Government involved is finished.
I am not as trusting as you, seeing as they have mined personal information. What kind of personal questions did they ask you?
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#48 Oct 22, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>I am not as trusting as you, seeing as they have mined personal information. What kind of personal questions did they ask you?
Just the basics. Name, address, date of birth and social security number, family members. It was really the same as for any insurance policy.

I have to correct one thing I said. When I logged onto healthcare.gov the first thing they asked is what state I lived in and then it sent me to the New York site. That is the case in most states except where the governors are not cooperating. In those case the federal website has to handle those people too. I guess I got a break on that one, but the bottom line is that in states that cooperated things are running smoother and the costs are lower.

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#49 Oct 22, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Teddy, this is one of the misnomers I keep hearing on TV. Obama did not put together any insurance plans. All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same policies that have always been issued.
The website is not the best, but I have had far worse problems with other websites. On October 1 it was hard to get through, but on October 2 with an assist from the call in number I sailed right through. Soon I will be saving $1500 a month for a far superior policy then I have now. I will never have another occasion in my life to ever have to use this site again.
The website is just a portal. It is no different than Kayak.com . You enter your information, press enter and then long lists of polices come up. In my case I was offered a choice of 116 private insurance plans. Once you decide on a policy you are now being handled by the insurance company. Government involved is finished.
You are incorrect: "All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same policies that have always been issued."

Fact is that millions of insured Americans have received letters from their health insurers that as of Jan. 1, 2014, their policies will be DEAD, because they do not fall under the guidelines of the ACA. They are advised to check into the Obamacare website.

The ACA has set mandatory inclusions (eg rehab and maternity) for all policies to make it a "comprehensive coverage" -- inclusions that many Americans don't need or ever opted for. This is the reason the prices of the cheapest policy is higher than before, and many Americans are experiencing "sticker shock."

If you do not have an addictive personality, why do you have to pay for rehab? If you are a man, why do you have to pay for maternity services?

THIS IS A FACT and you like to debate facts. So what do you think now?
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#50 Oct 22, 2013
In case anyone was too stupid to understand:

"All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same INSURANCE COMPANIES that have always issued policies".
You are welcome

Atlanta, GA

#51 Oct 22, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Teddy, this is one of the misnomers I keep hearing on TV. Obama did not put together any insurance plans. All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same policies that have always been issued.
The website is not the best, but I have had far worse problems with other websites. On October 1 it was hard to get through, but on October 2 with an assist from the call in number I sailed right through. Soon I will be saving $1500 a month for a far superior policy then I have now. I will never have another occasion in my life to ever have to use this site again.
The website is just a portal. It is no different than Kayak.com . You enter your information, press enter and then long lists of polices come up. In my case I was offered a choice of 116 private insurance plans. Once you decide on a policy you are now being handled by the insurance company. Government involved is finished.
So now your insurance is subsidized by taxpayers and YOU save $1500.00 a month thanks to tax payers who will pick up the difference. Who paid for the web site, the people who you talked to on the phone, the marketing of your insurance and a laundry list of other costs associated with health insurance? The tax payer that is who.
You are welcome

Atlanta, GA

#52 Oct 22, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
In case anyone was too stupid to understand:
"All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same INSURANCE COMPANIES that have always issued policies".
And why is it cheaper? Because the tax payer is subsidizing your insurance. In addition the federal government now guarantees the insurance companies make a profit. What a great business. It is just like being a HUD slumlord.

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#53 Oct 22, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
Teddy, this is one of the misnomers I keep hearing on TV. Obama did not put together any insurance plans. All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same policies that have always been issued.
The website is not the best, but I have had far worse problems with other websites. On October 1 it was hard to get through, but on October 2 with an assist from the call in number I sailed right through. Soon I will be saving $1500 a month for a far superior policy then I have now. I will never have another occasion in my life to ever have to use this site again.
<SNIP>
Once you decide on a policy you are now being handled by the insurance company. Government involved is finished.
To rebut your statement, "Obama did not put together any insurance plans. All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same policies that have always been issued," here are the 10 "must haves" that all health insurers WERE FORCED BY OBAMA to include in all of their plans, WHETHER THE INSURED NEEDED IT OR NOT:

1. Ambulatory patient services

2. Emergency services

3. Hospitalization

4. Maternity & newborn care

5. Mental health & substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment

6. Prescription drugs

7. Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices

8. Laboratory services

9. Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management

10. Pediatric services, including oral and vision care

http://www.capturebilling.com/essential-healt...

Ambulatory patient services? Maternity & newborn care? Pediatric services? Rehabilitative services? Chronic disease management? Let me tell you, I only need 4 out of the 10 right now. Why do I have to pay for 6 services I don't need????

This is why even the cheapest plan, the Bronze Plan, costs way more than pre-ACA plans, wherein insurers could customize their plans more personally.

Obama's ACA is a one-size-fits-all plan that can only be described as SOCIALIST. Americans are used to having more choices and more control over their personal decisions, based on their personal reasons. This is why Obamacare sucks. IT IS UNAMERICAN AND SOCIALIST.

Do you know what the definition of socialism is? Merriam Webster: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Obamacare is QUASI-SOCIALISM, meaning, though not owned by the govt, healthcare rules are controlled by the govt.

Do you know where socialism stands in the spectrum of political theory? It stands in between capitalism and Communism. See definition 3 in that Merriam-Webster link. Do you see now why many of us were against Obamacare?

Keep in mind that Obama's campaign mission statement was "To fundamentally change America." Looking back at his domestic and foreign policies of 5 years, and his education and background, can you now see what he meant by that? He didn't want to change us to be a more lucrative, individual, free society; rather he wants to change us to become a mediocre, socialist, non-capitalist economy nation, with restrictions on personal freedoms for the good of the few. Notice how even the lowest level of govt (munincipalities) kowtow to atheists (all 7 of them) rather than to the majority of religious believers? Obama believes in community organizing based on Saul Alinsky's philosophy and book, "Rules for Radicals," which has been analyzed and proven to work only in ghettos. Obama taught a class on this book in Harvard.

Please do better research on Obama. I did. And I did it fairly -- I linked to reference sites, not op-eds, biased sites, and the like. I just wanted THE FACTS, and then based my opinions on them.

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#54 Oct 22, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
In case anyone was too stupid to understand:
"All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same INSURANCE COMPANIES that have always issued policies".
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Instead of admitting you were wrong, you instead accuse US OF BEING STUPID??? Let me quote you (by copy/paste): "Teddy, this is one of the misnomers I keep hearing on TV. Obama did not put together any insurance plans. All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same policies that have always been issued.

"The website is not the best, but I have had far worse problems with other websites. On October 1 it was hard to get through, but on October 2 with an assist from the call in number I sailed right through. Soon I will be saving $1500 a month for a far superior policy then I have now. I will never have another occasion in my life to ever have to use this site again.

"The website is just a portal. It is no different than Kayak.com . You enter your information, press enter and then long lists of polices come up. In my case I was offered a choice of 116 private insurance plans. Once you decide on a policy you are now being handled by the insurance company. Government involved is finished."

Readers, scroll above and look for Memo's post starting with "Teddy, this is one of the misnomers..."

And NOW you say that WE'RE STUPID BECAUSE YOU SAID "All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same INSURANCE COMPANIES that have always issued policies"???

YOU amended what you said from "they are the same policies issued by insurance companies" to "they are the same insurance companies that have always issued policies." WHAAAAAAAT?

And you really think you can fool the most stupidest of us with that "amendment" and call us stupid on top of that?? Hahhaha. I GOTCHA. OUTED YOU AS A DEMOGOGUE AND CONTROL FREAK.

Your reputation is mud now. You have absolutely NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. And on top of it all, you dare condescend and say you only want to debate on facts???? Here's a tip: Facts are useless if you can't even get your own opinion straight.

And to think you could have saved your reputation by simply saying, "I'm sorry. I was wrong." 5 simple, heartfelt words.

But you chose not to. YOUR BAD.
Quirky

Denver, CO

#55 Oct 22, 2013
Real Americans are tired of Obama!

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#56 Oct 22, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
In case anyone was too stupid to understand:
"All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same INSURANCE COMPANIES that have always issued policies".
Nice try, but WE ARE NOT STUPID; no one misunderstood you. You were quite clear, and your words are in black-and-white above. YOU said two different things: 1) Obama did not change the policies; THE POLICIES ARE THE SAME POLICIES from insurance companies AND 2) Obama changed the policies thru THE SAME INSURANCE COMPANIES.

Am I correct, or am I stupid? Are you gooing to offer Version #3?

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#57 Oct 23, 2013
To Memo From Turner:

WE ARE NOT STUPID. We research and verify your "facts." We have this little thing called "The Internet" at our disposal to verify your "facts" -- for free too! And some of us have the time to chase down your "facts" to see if they're for real or not. And lo and behold, all your "facts" are false!

So if I were you, I would verify, AND VERIFY AGAIN, any fact you post here with your name attached to it. Your reputation depends on it. Not unless you don't care about your reputation, of course. But THAT is your decision.
spud

Reading, PA

#58 Oct 23, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
In case anyone was too stupid to understand:
"All of the ACA policies are issued by private insurance companies.They are the same INSURANCE COMPANIES that have always issued policies".
Rumor has it, they are the same insurance companies that wrote the law. It might not be a good idea to let the affected companies write laws pertaining to them. I'm sure you remember when pharmaceutical and insurance representatives were seen coming out of the closed door negotiations with an all Democratic panel. And even though they may have written a good portion of the law, it's still governments job to implement the system. You remember,'The buck stops here'. So I still think it's pride, stubborness and the inability to admit they're wrong, along with a good dose of incompetence, which makes Democrats keep trying to do this thing. The result we are seeing is what generally happens when anyone puts too many eggs in the wrong basket.
spud

Reading, PA

#59 Oct 23, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>He sounded more like Vince, the ShamWow shyster, than he did a president who was concerned because his healthcare site was put together by people who had no clue what they were doing. Maybe I am wrong, but I sure didn't hear an apology for the inconvenience that many experienced due to a site that was ill-conceived.. Rather he was shilling a phone number to call, that gave those interested no relief in their quest for info.
You break me up. Now every time I read a comment from Memo, I'm going to be visualizing that carnie, Vince.

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#60 Oct 23, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>You break me up. Now every time I read a comment from Memo, I'm going to be visualizing that carnie, Vince.
I am glad you like the visual, because I swear I thought I was watching a freaking infomercial as opposed to a presiednt who should have been taking responsibility for a program that was not ready for prime time! So, if folks can't get through this poorly written website to actually purchase a policy, and finally just throw up their hands, will they be fined???? Should they be fined at all??? Some folks buy a home and become house poor, now they are being forced to purchase health insurance, and will become insurance poor. Pitiful.

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#61 Oct 23, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Rumor has it, they are the same insurance companies that wrote the law. It might not be a good idea to let the affected companies write laws pertaining to them. I'm sure you remember when pharmaceutical and insurance representatives were seen coming out of the closed door negotiations with an all Democratic panel. And even though they may have written a good portion of the law, it's still governments job to implement the system. You remember,'The buck stops here'. So I still think it's pride, stubborness and the inability to admit they're wrong, along with a good dose of incompetence, which makes Democrats keep trying to do this thing. The result we are seeing is what generally happens when anyone puts too many eggs in the wrong basket.
Amen, We will NEVER hear this president admit that he was wrong to push a product on the public before it was truly ready to be launched. Did one person test it, and then decided to launch it because one person was able to get to the end of the application process???? This president's enormous ego will never allow him to say mia culpa...for anything! Can't wait to hear how Sebelius will stonewall those who question her next week. Double-talk and silence is what we will inevitably get.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#62 Oct 23, 2013
You are welcome wrote:
<quoted text>
So now your insurance is subsidized by taxpayers and YOU save $1500.00 a month thanks to tax payers who will pick up the difference. Who paid for the web site, the people who you talked to on the phone, the marketing of your insurance and a laundry list of other costs associated with health insurance? The tax payer that is who.
You give yourself too much credit. Who is getting federal subsidies?

You have no idea how the exchanges work do you? Turn off FOX. Do some research and then come back when you are prepared to discuss the ACA.

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