Boehner: Immigration reform? Don't be...

Boehner: Immigration reform? Don't bet on it

There are 74 comments on the Capitol Hill Blue story from Feb 7, 2014, titled Boehner: Immigration reform? Don't bet on it. In it, Capitol Hill Blue reports that:

"The American people, including many of our members, don't trust that the reform we're talking about will be implemented as it was intended to be."

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#42 Feb 11, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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What? People who leave voluntarily are always subjected to the 10 year bar. No exceptions.
People who are deported are not subjected to the 10year bar.
The system rewards people who are deported and penalizes people who leave on their own. It is as simple as that.
If an illegal alien isn't caught by ICE and processed through the deportation proceedings (adjudication), then what paper trail is there to follow in imposing the 10 year ban? How would the government know what people TO ban? I think you must be confused about the process.
Memo From Turner

Cortlandt Manor, NY

#43 Feb 11, 2014
OneRepublic wrote:
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If an illegal alien isn't caught by ICE and processed through the deportation proceedings (adjudication), then what paper trail is there to follow in imposing the 10 year ban? How would the government know what people TO ban? I think you must be confused about the process.
There is always a paper trail.First off 75% of undocumented people pay taxes so the government has everything they need, but beyond that there are bank records, phone bills, police background checks, etc". They also make people account for their time in their own country. If there are any time gaps in those records then they know something is up.

There is an extensive investigative process involved in obtaining a visa and ICE has access to everything. It is hard to get anything past them. I had an ICE interview a couple of years ago for a Global Entry card. That is basically a card that gets you into the express lane at immigration when you return to the US. I was not expecting much. but was surprised at all of the information they had about me. This included both my actual name and my Chinese name. It was very impressive.

Try Googling "ten year bar".
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#45 Feb 12, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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There is always a paper trail.First off 75% of undocumented people pay taxes so the government has everything they need, but beyond that there are bank records, phone bills, police background checks, etc". They also make people account for their time in their own country. If there are any time gaps in those records then they know something is up.
There is an extensive investigative process involved in obtaining a visa and ICE has access to everything. It is hard to get anything past them. I had an ICE interview a couple of years ago for a Global Entry card. That is basically a card that gets you into the express lane at immigration when you return to the US. I was not expecting much. but was surprised at all of the information they had about me. This included both my actual name and my Chinese name. It was very impressive.
Try Googling "ten year bar".
I believe there's a paper trail on you precisely because of your application for entry into this country. How are payroll taxes collected? if they don't have ssn#'s of their own, they are using stolen (or sold) numbers. For people who have been affected by this, it's a nightmare to set right. Also, the ITN #'s weren't set up as a work-around for undocumented workers, so that's not a solution either, and sales taxes don't quite help make up the shortfall of the money spent on their assistance, and yes, they DO get assistance, I've seen it for myself. I grew up in a border town, and even back then, illegals knew how to work the system, its even moreso now.

Back when Reagan granted amnesty to so many, there was supposed to be a cut off date, well, small businesses sprang up on the border, on the road leading to the bridge, people would be able to fabricate proof of residency (utility bills, bogus mail, children enrolled in schools, etc.--anything they needed, they got). The result was that many more people than actually qualified for the amnesty were rewarded, a lot of people who never lived in the US saw this as their ticket in, to defraud our immigration system, and as a result, the American taxpayers. I saw this first hand, when I worked with a non-profit agency dedicated to immigration matters. There were so many people, the workload was unmanageable. You give anyone a freebie, they'll take it, and want more.

Now it's over 25 years later, and people think it's their entitlement to be given legal status, that's the result of our over-generous immigration policy and lax oversight.
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#46 Feb 12, 2014
Oh, and I didn't put the judgit's on your post by the way, I can always appreciate an honest debate without insults, I and I appreciate your doing the same. I'm sure somehow this mess will be fixed, but I don't believe that the results should be or will be as generous as some would like. Every nation has the right to decide who enters, every nation.
Memo From Turner

Cortlandt Manor, NY

#47 Feb 12, 2014
OneRepublic wrote:
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I believe there's a paper trail on you precisely because of your application for entry into this country. How are payroll taxes collected? if they don't have ssn#'s of their own, they are using stolen (or sold) numbers. For people who have been affected by this, it's a nightmare to set right. Also, the ITN #'s weren't set up as a work-around for undocumented workers, so that's not a solution either, and sales taxes don't quite help make up the shortfall of the money spent on their assistance, and yes, they DO get assistance, I've seen it for myself. I grew up in a border town, and even back then, illegals knew how to work the system, its even moreso now.
Back when Reagan granted amnesty to so many, there was supposed to be a cut off date, well, small businesses sprang up on the border, on the road leading to the bridge, people would be able to fabricate proof of residency (utility bills, bogus mail, children enrolled in schools, etc.--anything they needed, they got). The result was that many more people than actually qualified for the amnesty were rewarded, a lot of people who never lived in the US saw this as their ticket in, to defraud our immigration system, and as a result, the American taxpayers. I saw this first hand, when I worked with a non-profit agency dedicated to immigration matters. There were so many people, the workload was unmanageable. You give anyone a freebie, they'll take it, and want more.
Now it's over 25 years later, and people think it's their entitlement to be given legal status, that's the result of our over-generous immigration policy and lax oversight.
Maybe my post was not clear. I am an American. I just used my experience with the Global Entry card as an example of how thorough ICE is with their background checks. I work in China a lot. I actually lived there for several years. That is why I have a Chinese name too. It is similar to Asian people adopting an "American" name when they come here. It just makes it easier for the locals to pronounce. I was surprised that ICE would even know my "alias" since I have never used it in the US. They do not miss much.

Comparing now to Reagan's time is not always the best comparison. One example is the Welfare Reform Act of 1996 that specifically bars undocumented people from any type of means based assistance. Is it conceivable that somewhere somebody cheated the system? Sure. Last week I read a story about a doctor in New York who got caught issuing thousands of painkiller prescriptions among other things. It turns out his family was also collecting welfare. Does that mean all doctors are welfare cheats? No. It was just an isolated case and nothing should be read into it. It is similar to undocumented people.

Another big difference between now and the 1980's is computers. Back then it was much more difficult to track people because the government was still using paper files. Tracking and investigating people is much more efficient now then it was then.

Thanks for not judging. I really do not pay any attention to judge-its.
Cat74

Carpentersville, IL

#48 Feb 12, 2014
Maybe it is time to arm the Border Patrol, and issue shoot to kill orders. They won't respect the law, ever. They are fairly useless as they have no talents to speak of. They are only here to birth their illegitimate children, and get freebies Americans are working very hard to pay for, so they have really left us with few options.
see the light

El Paso, TX

#49 Feb 12, 2014
Cat74 wrote:
If the liberals can't have it any other way they will agree to closing the border. The problem is they lie, and they have no respect for the laws so we might as well wait until we have lawmakers with a higher moral calling then the ones we have now.
Even if it was closed, Obama would tell the BP not to enforce the law, thats what he does when he doesn't agree.
wild child

Brooklyn, NY

#50 Feb 12, 2014
see the light wrote:
<quoted text> Even if it was closed, Obama would tell the BP not to enforce the law, thats what he does when he doesn't agree.
obama will not be here forever.no one is legal.the republicans can make him do it once they take back the senate, and they will.he can not and will not give them amnesty.
Memo From Turner

Cortlandt Manor, NY

#51 Feb 13, 2014
see the light wrote:
<quoted text> Even if it was closed, Obama would tell the BP not to enforce the law, thats what he does when he doesn't agree.
Although it is a main talking point on Saudi television, there is no known instance where Obama has not enforced a law. None.Zero. Zip.
wild child

Brooklyn, NY

#52 Feb 13, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Although it is a main talking point on Saudi television, there is no known instance where Obama has not enforced a law. None.Zero. Zip.
hello, I was just listening to boy george.heard 2 song 1) king of everything nice I liked it.2) my god much better it sound like a bowie kind of song.then I read he wants to do a duet with bowie.he looks well sounds great.
Memo From Turner

Cortlandt Manor, NY

#53 Feb 13, 2014
wild child wrote:
<quoted text>hello, I was just listening to boy george.heard 2 song 1) king of everything nice I liked it.2) my god much better it sound like a bowie kind of song.then I read he wants to do a duet with bowie.he looks well sounds great.
I liked My God a lot. That would be good if he works with Bowie. It is an interesting combo. Bowie is great on duets. Between "Under Pressure" with Queen, "Dancing in the Streets" with Jagger, "Tonight" with Tina Turner and "The Little Drummer Boy" with Bing Crosby he can play with anybody.
Cat74

Aurora, IL

#54 Feb 14, 2014
I thought the African King boy was going to do everything with EXos. Where is the Illegal Alien Amnesty then. I guess that only works for other people.
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#55 Feb 14, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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I liked My God a lot. That would be good if he works with Bowie. It is an interesting combo. Bowie is great on duets. Between "Under Pressure" with Queen, "Dancing in the Streets" with Jagger, "Tonight" with Tina Turner and "The Little Drummer Boy" with Bing Crosby he can play with anybody.
Yeah, David Bowie has a unique voice, few contemporary singers could sing in tune with Bing Crosby.
Memo From Turner

Cortlandt Manor, NY

#56 Feb 15, 2014
OneRepublic wrote:
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Yeah, David Bowie has a unique voice, few contemporary singers could sing in tune with Bing Crosby.
They were a unique combination. That is still one of my favorite Christmas songs. It was an interesting video clip too.

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#57 Feb 16, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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They were a unique combination. That is still one of my favorite Christmas songs. It was an interesting video clip too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =DiXjbI3kRusXX
A classic, thanks for sharing.
ronnie

Salt Lake City, UT

#58 Feb 16, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Why do you suppose they want Social Security cards? It is so they can get a job on the books and pay the same taxes as you do.
By the way, unless they are living in a tent someplace they are paying the same property and school taxes as everybody else too. Either directly or through their landlord. So much for the "free" school myth.
Either your the most naive person I've ever heard from or you're the dumbest. Pleeeese.... The illegals here are treated like guests so big business can make more money and your know it... The SS#'s they aspire to behold are for benefit's only, not for anything honest, legal or trustworthy. Having employed these rats for years in the family business in Nevada has truly awakened a sleeping giant. They are truly the most corrupt, disloyal, dishonest, foul Nationality on the planet. And your appeasement of them is wholly unjustified and ignorant Memo.... or you simply run a business and use them for cheap labor, one of the two!!!!!!
Tea Party Supporter

Huntsville, AL

#59 Feb 18, 2014
I wish we could just lock this trash away. He shouldnt be allowed to collect 1 paycheck. Johnny Boy is out
Memo From Turner

Cortlandt Manor, NY

#60 Feb 19, 2014
ronnie wrote:
<quoted text>Either your the most naive person I've ever heard from or you're the dumbest. Pleeeese.... The illegals here are treated like guests so big business can make more money and your know it... The SS#'s they aspire to behold are for benefit's only, not for anything honest, legal or trustworthy. Having employed these rats for years in the family business in Nevada has truly awakened a sleeping giant. They are truly the most corrupt, disloyal, dishonest, foul Nationality on the planet. And your appeasement of them is wholly unjustified and ignorant Memo.... or you simply run a business and use them for cheap labor, one of the two!!!!!!
You really have to get outside of that right wing bubble sometimes. It has warped any perception of reality that you may have had at one time.

Yes. Undocumented workers live a fife of luxury and it is all at your expense. If it wasn't for those landscapers your life would be nirvana.

Somehow I doubt you would last a day in their shoes.
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#61 Feb 20, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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You really have to get outside of that right wing bubble sometimes. It has warped any perception of reality that you may have had at one time.
Yes. Undocumented workers live a fife of luxury and it is all at your expense. If it wasn't for those landscapers your life would be nirvana.
Somehow I doubt you would last a day in their shoes.
Who would want to? This is still a meritocracy. People work their way out of poverty by education and developed skillsets. If families span generations working landscaping and don't end up owning their own businesses, enough to elevate their sons/daughters and future generations, they aren't doing it right. I would never knowingly hire an illegal alien to do the yardwork , they are beholden to drug cartels who snuck them into this country, and most of their wages go to pay these punks off. I'm not going to facilitate this human trafficking.
Memo From Turner

Cortlandt Manor, NY

#62 Feb 20, 2014
OneRepublic wrote:
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Who would want to? This is still a meritocracy. People work their way out of poverty by education and developed skillsets. If families span generations working landscaping and don't end up owning their own businesses, enough to elevate their sons/daughters and future generations, they aren't doing it right. I would never knowingly hire an illegal alien to do the yardwork , they are beholden to drug cartels who snuck them into this country, and most of their wages go to pay these punks off. I'm not going to facilitate this human trafficking.
The previous poster seemed to think he would be very happy walking in the landscapers shoes.

My company would never hire somebody without documentation, but the other poster has told us many times that his family business hires undocumented people all of the time and they lead luxurious lives that are much better than his. It was a curious statement and you have to wonder if that is the case why he does not just sell the business and hire himself out as a day worker.

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