Abortion bills force both parties to ...

Abortion bills force both parties to rethink political calculus

There are 1168 comments on the The Washington Post story from Jul 6, 2013, titled Abortion bills force both parties to rethink political calculus. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

People gather outside the state legislature as Senate Republicans gave their final approval to legislation requiring additional rules surrounding abortions in North Carolina, even as hundreds of protesters against the bill watched from the gallery in Raleigh, N.C., Wednesday,July 3. As a member of the Wisconsin State Assembly years ago, Republican ... (more)

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Ga Girl 56

Roswell, GA

#1126 Oct 29, 2013
Vet wrote:
<quoted text>Roswell is not a "little one horse town" and those protestors were exercising their First Amendment rights. It is a matter of conscience that unborn children not be murdered by their own mothers. Sounds like you are one of those abominations who did.
Well, good for them but they have no right to jeapordize their childrens lives in the process. I'm don't with you.
Ga Girl 56

Roswell, GA

#1127 Oct 29, 2013
Sorry I should have said I'm done with you. Don't look at me, don't touch me and don't speak to me. You obviously cannot read properly or at least not get the meaning of what someone is saying. Talk to someone who cares what you think. I'm not that person.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#1128 Oct 30, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
If your mother was working wouldn't you have been like so many daycare kids that I see, sick, tired, angry tots who just want to be home with Momma? My experience with babysitters wasn't ideal.
Ink, if you would recall we were discussing my mother working after us kids were a bit older, daycare would not have been an issue. Besides many have had excellent daycare providers.
Ink

Havertown, PA

#1129 Oct 30, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ink, if you would recall we were discussing my mother working after us kids were a bit older, daycare would not have been an issue. Besides many have had excellent daycare providers.
You were lucky. Even the best daycare can't pay people enough to love the children as their own. Kids need their Moms, someone that they are special to not be just part of a group.
Ocean56

AOL

#1130 Oct 30, 2013
Vet wrote:
So, you like living in a world without rules. that's because you don't have the character and the will to live by rules. A weak, spineless person with out the courage to be a responsible citizen. See you in the slammer soon.
Oh geez, THAT nonsense again. I hate to break it to you, goofy (not really), but the laws of my city, state and country are just fine with me, and I've obeyed all of them.

What pisses you and other militant religionists off big time is that I don't have to live by any kind of CHURCH rules, not in the U.S. Too bad, for you anyway. That's what the first words of the First Amendment were written to provide for American citizens; freedom OF religion to those who follow it, and freedom FROM religion to those of us who choose to REJECT it. Simply put, that means I can be Catholicism-FREE with no civil or criminal penalties whatsoever. Deal with it.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1131 Oct 30, 2013
Ga Girl 56 wrote:
<quoted text>I'll pray for ya' sugar. Calling youself what you do is like asking for it. The right to lifers found me and have marched in a little one horse town now for the last two years. I don't support abortion as a means of contraception but in the case of a mothers life I do. Women have too many other forms of contraception available now to have to use abortion as a contraceptive, plus much safter methods. Abortion is a surgical procedure and things can always go wrong for the mother. I got into a confrontation with them last year. This year I just stayed home and ignored them. It was raining I believe, so I just kept on my jammies and watched old movies. LOL!!
My screen name is an homage to the twits who would rather dwell on 'dead babies' than encourage women to be healthy and willing moms. Slamming us back into reproductive slavery, isn't going to advance the 'healthy and willing mom' cause...but it seems to be their only gig. So, I'm just not convinced that 'pro-life' is what these folks should get away with calling themselves...I prefer to call them 'fetus-worshipers'.

I don't support abortion as a means of contraception either: because it doesn't prevent pregnancy.*wow, who knew??*

I support contraception, gestation, raising one's own, relinquishing, AND abortion. I even support abstinence and celibacy. And I'm not interested in the woman's reasons - they're hers, and none of my business.

BTW, abortion is not always a surgical procedure - in fact, it's USUALLY a medical procedure, involving induced hormonal and chemical changes, which cause the uterus to expel the products of conception without surgery.(The vast majority of abortions are undertaken in the first trimester, when surgery isn't indicated.)

Welcome to the forum.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1132 Oct 30, 2013
Thank-you, Oklahoma Supreme Court.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#1133 Oct 30, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>If you can't see that insuring oneself against the financial considerations of catastrophic or other illness, is defense of self, I can't help you.
"Flooter" insured that the Catholic institution she attended, didn't discriminate against its female student body, by offering insurance which covered yet another method of self-defense: contraception.
Get over it.
See, that's the difference between my view and yours......She knowingly attended a CATHOLIC institution which should have the freedom to practice its religion....at least that's how it's supposed to be in a free society like the U.S. She also KNEW bc pills were not covered and yet she chose to attend this school which was very expensive. It is repulsive to me to have a flooter THEN decide she has been 'discriminated' against because the school doesn't cover the health coverage she desires. Contraceptive coverage has never been a right, just like maternity coverage has never been a right....just like fertility treatments have never been a right and so on.

Your wording is a bit weird because people don't say they need to take out an insurance policy for 'self defense.' Those who do are just plain ridiculous. Contraception is preventative and nothing more. You can still get pregnant and contract disease so if you truly want to 'defend yourself against pregnancy and disease' you don't have sex. The Catholic school didn't discriminate against women because these women were free to get their contraceptives at PP for the same price. Many colleges don't over BC coverage so slooter was just an obnoxious wench who demanded something for nothing. By using the gender card, she insulted all independent women who despise govt. interference in their lives. Seems ironic these same women wail about being independent and having rights to their bodies and yet they scream about not getting freebies from the govt., their employer or school.

Flooter didn't have the sense or independence to get her pills from PP which I think is rather odd. Why not? She wanted someone else to pay her tab, that's why.
Ga Girl 56

Roswell, GA

#1134 Oct 30, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>My screen name is an homage to the twits who would rather dwell on 'dead babies' than encourage women to be healthy and willing moms. Slamming us back into reproductive slavery, isn't going to advance the 'healthy and willing mom' cause...but it seems to be their only gig. So, I'm just not convinced that 'pro-life' is what these folks should get away with calling themselves...I prefer to call them 'fetus-worshipers'.
I don't support abortion as a means of contraception either: because it doesn't prevent pregnancy.*wow, who knew??*
I support contraception, gestation, raising one's own, relinquishing, AND abortion. I even support abstinence and celibacy. And I'm not interested in the woman's reasons - they're hers, and none of my business.
BTW, abortion is not always a surgical procedure - in fact, it's USUALLY a medical procedure, involving induced hormonal and chemical changes, which cause the uterus to expel the products of conception without surgery.(The vast majority of abortions are undertaken in the first trimester, when surgery isn't indicated.)
Welcome to the forum.
I've been around here a long time. I just live in the woods and only have access to a computer when I'm in Roswell. In the woods, I'm too busy to mess with all this. Too much work to do around the old homestead. I live alone and do lots of "MAN'S WORK" around my place. That's what the Roses of my hometown say. That's just because they can't or won't even try to broaden their horizons and be a well rounded individual instead of waiting around for a man to always do the difficult jobs. I'm seperated from mine. I got the cabin, he likes the city. I still stay with him when I'm in town or he needs my help. He has health issues. Anyway that's my story and I've said all I need to say about this subject.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#1135 Oct 30, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>My screen name is an homage to the twits who would rather dwell on 'dead babies' than encourage women to be healthy and willing moms. Slamming us back into reproductive slavery, isn't going to advance the 'healthy and willing mom' cause...but it seems to be their only gig. So, I'm just not convinced that 'pro-life' is what these folks should get away with calling themselves...I prefer to call them 'fetus-worshipers'.
I don't support abortion as a means of contraception either: because it doesn't prevent pregnancy.*wow, who knew??*
I support contraception, gestation, raising one's own, relinquishing, AND abortion. I even support abstinence and celibacy. And I'm not interested in the woman's reasons - they're hers, and none of my business.
BTW, abortion is not always a surgical procedure - in fact, it's USUALLY a medical procedure, involving induced hormonal and chemical changes, which cause the uterus to expel the products of conception without surgery.(The vast majority of abortions are undertaken in the first trimester, when surgery isn't indicated.)
Welcome to the forum.
D and C is commonly done in the first trimester so your comment is not necessarily correct. Many women naturally terminate but oftentimes some contents remain and need to be scraped away.

Due to medical advances, fetal viability is earlier than it was when Roe v Wade was established which makes the issue a little more controversial. On the other hand, there are extremists who believe in protecting life at conception which will keep this debate going on forever. The govt needs to back off and allow those decisions to be between the patient and her doctor. Improved contraception and earlier detection should make this issue less controversial.

And you're right.......a woman's decisions on her pregnancy is none of my business just as it isn't my business to fund her contraception as an employer, an institution or even as a taxpayer. Taxpayers are providing women with access but Flooter wanted more. As soon as the taxpayers are wrangled into a woman's business then the taxpayers should have some say such as: Any woman who accepts any kind of govt. aid should NOT be able to conceive or adopt. She should accept whatever form of bc the govt. can afford. She should also be forced to abort if she becomes pregnant. If she relies on the govt. for support, she should abide by the rules living under it's roof. We have allowed govt. to intrude in just about every aspect of our lives so ....why not? Either you want govt. in our business or you don't. You can't have it both ways.....or do you?

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1136 Oct 30, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>D and C is commonly done in the first trimester so your comment is not necessarily correct. Many women naturally terminate but oftentimes some contents remain and need to be scraped away.
Due to medical advances, fetal viability is earlier than it was when Roe v Wade was established which makes the issue a little more controversial. On the other hand, there are extremists who believe in protecting life at conception which will keep this debate going on forever. The govt needs to back off and allow those decisions to be between the patient and her doctor. Improved contraception and earlier detection should make this issue less controversial.
And you're right.......a woman's decisions on her pregnancy is none of my business just as it isn't my business to fund her contraception as an employer, an institution or even as a taxpayer. Taxpayers are providing women with access but Flooter wanted more. As soon as the taxpayers are wrangled into a woman's business then the taxpayers should have some say such as: Any woman who accepts any kind of govt. aid should NOT be able to conceive or adopt. She should accept whatever form of bc the govt. can afford. She should also be forced to abort if she becomes pregnant. If she relies on the govt. for support, she should abide by the rules living under it's roof. We have allowed govt. to intrude in just about every aspect of our lives so ....why not? Either you want govt. in our business or you don't. You can't have it both ways.....or do you?
I'll give you the nit-picky 'D and C' comment, even though dilation and curettage doesn't end the pregnancy...it's an 'after the fact' procedure...

Should the men relying on Medicaid/Medicare for their Viagra prescription, be required to father a child as a result of every government-supplied erection?

Just checking....

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1137 Oct 30, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>See, that's the difference between my view and yours......She knowingly attended a CATHOLIC institution which should have the freedom to practice its religion....at least that's how it's supposed to be in a free society like the U.S.
Catholics, and every other sect, have exquisite freedom to practice their religion - ON THEMSELVES.

Practicing it against others, doesn't qualify as 'religious freedom'. That's 'religious persecution'.
This country was founded on the idea that religious persecution isn't cool.

THAT's the difference between my view, and yours.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1138 Oct 30, 2013
Ga Girl 56 wrote:
<quoted text>I've been around here a long time. I just live in the woods and only have access to a computer when I'm in Roswell. In the woods, I'm too busy to mess with all this. Too much work to do around the old homestead. I live alone and do lots of "MAN'S WORK" around my place. That's what the Roses of my hometown say. That's just because they can't or won't even try to broaden their horizons and be a well rounded individual instead of waiting around for a man to always do the difficult jobs. I'm seperated from mine. I got the cabin, he likes the city. I still stay with him when I'm in town or he needs my help. He has health issues. Anyway that's my story and I've said all I need to say about this subject.
Groovy.
Ink

Havertown, PA

#1139 Oct 30, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Catholics, and every other sect, have exquisite freedom to practice their religion - ON THEMSELVES.
Practicing it against others, doesn't qualify as 'religious freedom'. That's 'religious persecution'.
This country was founded on the idea that religious persecution isn't cool.
THAT's the difference between my view, and yours.
Why didn't she go to a school run by atheists?

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1140 Oct 30, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Why didn't she go to a school run by atheists?
You'd have to ask her.
Ink

Havertown, PA

#1141 Oct 30, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>You'd have to ask her.
Probably because the Catholic Colleges are so superior.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#1142 Oct 30, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>I'll give you the nit-picky 'D and C' comment, even though dilation and curettage doesn't end the pregnancy...it's an 'after the fact' procedure...
Should the men relying on Medicaid/Medicare for their Viagra prescription, be required to father a child as a result of every government-supplied erection?
Just checking....
Ok.....suction and then the clean up. Point is, a D and C is a common surgical procedure in the first trimester so you were wrong.

A person on Medicaid should NOT receive Viagra but a person on Medicare should be provided it if it is determined to be a medical necessity. Medicare is another govt. imposition....forced upon people at a certain age. They are not able to get any insurance outside of supplemental because of the govt and their commie rules. Just like oscumma care is forcing socialized medicine on all of us when we don't want it.

You also illustrate an excellent reason why govt. shouldn't be involved in our healthcare.....because why should taxpayers have to fund erections, birth control, maternity care at all? Maybe if govt. stayed the hell out of our lives, you wouldn't have to stress so much over men's boners.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#1143 Oct 30, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ink, if you would recall we were discussing my mother working after us kids were a bit older, daycare would not have been an issue. Besides many have had excellent daycare providers.
How old? Latch key has never been a very good thing for kids at any age. Parents knew who the latch keys were in high school and knew where their kids should NOT be. Kids coming home to an empty house is much like the Rhesus monkey clinging to that cold inanimate object. Kids still need their parents to be around even after they start school.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#1144 Oct 30, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Catholics, and every other sect, have exquisite freedom to practice their religion - ON THEMSELVES.
Practicing it against others, doesn't qualify as 'religious freedom'. That's 'religious persecution'.
This country was founded on the idea that religious persecution isn't cool.
THAT's the difference between my view, and yours.
Then don't go to mass, a Catholic school or a Catholic hospital....it's really quite simple. Catholics should have the right to practice their religion by building schools, hospitals and churches. YOU have the freedom to avoid them. When flooters enroll in these schools and then make demands by using the govt. to bully and harass them....I say it's very wrong. Flooter needs to attend another school.
Ga Girl 56

Roswell, GA

#1145 Oct 30, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
That is the third state this week that has restricted Abortion. Most required no abortions after the 20th week. How stupid do you have to be to go past the 20th week before you get the abortion? Too stupid to be breeding, that is for sure.
And a cat should surely know that. Good job, Cat.

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