Abortion bills force both parties to rethink political calculus

Jul 6, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Washington Post

People gather outside the state legislature as Senate Republicans gave their final approval to legislation requiring additional rules surrounding abortions in North Carolina, even as hundreds of protesters against the bill watched from the gallery in Raleigh, N.C., Wednesday,July 3. As a member of the Wisconsin State Assembly years ago, Republican ... (more)

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“Blessed Be”

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#458 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Consciousness is of no relevance, and it's a pain to type.
Why keep mentioning it?
Because it's part of my whole argument. As such, it IS relevant.

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#459 Jul 23, 2013
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No, she's terminating the pregnancy. You said so yourself a minute ago.
She's not making an decision for an alternate site other than her uterus for sustaining the pregnancy.
LOL, your desperation is pitiful. You're obviously dizzy from all the spin you're putting on this argument.

She is making a decision for her own uterus, pregnancy, circumstances, morals and body. There, better?
Dan

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#460 Jul 23, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Because it's part of my whole argument. As such, it IS relevant.
Why?
Dan

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#461 Jul 23, 2013
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LOL, your desperation is pitiful. You're obviously dizzy from all the spin you're putting on this argument.
She is making a decision for her own uterus, pregnancy, circumstances, morals and body. There, better?
No, because the fetus isn't her body, for one. It has it's own body.

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#462 Jul 23, 2013
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Why?
I already said. Because it's part of the whole argument.

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#463 Jul 23, 2013
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No, because the fetus isn't her body, for one. It has it's own body.
Inside hers and attached to hers and using hers. It is NOT separate. Which makes her decision about HER body, pregnancy, uterus, circumstance and morals.

You may hold the OPINION that the decision is not about her alone, but it is only an opinion. One that binds no one else.
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#464 Jul 23, 2013
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Inside hers and attached to hers and using hers. It is NOT separate. Which makes her decision about HER body, pregnancy, uterus, circumstance and morals.
You may hold the OPINION that the decision is not about her alone, but it is only an opinion. One that binds no one else.
It's still it's own organism distinct from the woman.

It's not my opinion that said organism is terminated and expelled in an abortion. That's a fact. Abortion providers think this is so.

Dan

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#465 Jul 23, 2013
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I already said. Because it's part of the whole argument.
I'd get rid of it.

Consciousness and dependence aren't characteristics of human life.

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#466 Jul 23, 2013
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It's still it's own organism distinct from the woman.
It's not my opinion that said organism is terminated and expelled in an abortion. That's a fact. Abortion providers think this is so.
LOL, deflecting again. That is not what I said, or even implied.

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#467 Jul 23, 2013
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I'd get rid of it.
Consciousness and dependence aren't characteristics of human life.
And I did not say, or imply, that they are.
Dan

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#468 Jul 23, 2013
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And I did not say, or imply, that they are.
You mentioned both for no reason?
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#469 Jul 23, 2013
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LOL, deflecting again. That is not what I said, or even implied.
"Which makes her decision about HER body, pregnancy, uterus, circumstance and morals."

That was you, I think.

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#470 Jul 23, 2013
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You mentioned both for no reason?
I didn't say, or imply THAT, either.

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#471 Jul 23, 2013
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"Which makes her decision about HER body, pregnancy, uterus, circumstance and morals."
That was you, I think.
Which was NOT me saying that the fetus doesn't die.
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#472 Jul 24, 2013
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Which was NOT me saying that the fetus doesn't die.
Well, then it was you blithely ignoring that fact.

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#473 Jul 24, 2013
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Well, then it was you blithely ignoring that fact.
No, that was me making an entirely different point.

I have never ignored the fact that the embryo/fetus dies as a result of an abortion, spontaneous or induced.
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#474 Jul 24, 2013
Always thought GOP did not want big government in there lives....So why force law into womens personal private life????
Dan

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#475 Jul 24, 2013
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No, that was me making an entirely different point.
I have never ignored the fact that the embryo/fetus dies as a result of an abortion, spontaneous or induced.
What's your "entirely different point"?

All I know from you is that it's not about tonsils, although you mentioned them more than once, nor is it about consciousness or dependence, although you've mentioned them more than once, nor does it involve the fetus dying, even though we're speaking about abortion.

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#476 Jul 24, 2013
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What's your "entirely different point"?
All I know from you is that it's not about tonsils, although you mentioned them more than once, nor is it about consciousness or dependence, although you've mentioned them more than once, nor does it involve the fetus dying, even though we're speaking about abortion.
"It" what? My argument?

You're being deliberately obtuse, that's all.
Dan

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#477 Jul 24, 2013
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"It" what? My argument?
You're being deliberately obtuse, that's all.
All I did was mention components of your argument. It sounded just as "deliberately obtuse" the first time when you brought all that up.

Your position is (I believe) that the abortion decision is one the woman makes a decision for herself, while simultaneously maintaining that the fetus acted upon in the decision she makes dies.

Have I paraphrased you accurately?

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