Abortion bills force both parties to ...

Abortion bills force both parties to rethink political calculus

There are 1168 comments on the The Washington Post story from Jul 6, 2013, titled Abortion bills force both parties to rethink political calculus. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

People gather outside the state legislature as Senate Republicans gave their final approval to legislation requiring additional rules surrounding abortions in North Carolina, even as hundreds of protesters against the bill watched from the gallery in Raleigh, N.C., Wednesday,July 3. As a member of the Wisconsin State Assembly years ago, Republican ... (more)

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#294 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>So is the issue.
On one hand, there are already regulations and restrictions, which are not being enforced. On the other, there are recognized rights to medical and bodily autonomy, which cannot be trumped by 'another', be it a potential child, or a realized one....or a grown adult, for that matter.
Abortion is not just black and white for the person who is pregnant. To believe it is, is a male luxury which women do not have - seeing as how we're the ones who are actually faced with it.
Abortion is a responsible course of action, when faced with potentially bringing an unwanted born child into the world. Frankly, I would rather see 10 women abort, than one more abused, abandoned, exploited, ignored, malnourished, molested, or unloved BORN CHILD.
Every child a wanted child. Why is that such an anaethema to you?
I don't adhere to your premise that pregnancy somehow imbues women with some life or death dominion over another human, particularly in light of the fact that said women failed to avoid becoming pregnant despite their stated desire to avoid the condition.

This being said, the same woman also doesn't acquire the singular ability to foretell the future of the unborn child via pregnancy, so there's no rationale for her to terminate it based upon (only) her version of what that future might be.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#295 Jul 18, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
Roe v. Wade and the SC decision trumps the trible thumpers and theirs.
Based on man-made ideals. Death awaits us all, crap.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Level 1

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#296 Jul 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Yes I am, that is why life is precious, especially innocent life. That that has not breathed the air of this world is the only truly innocent being. So, how about those miscarriages?
What about them? Did you want to exercise your vast measure of 'grace' by haranguing me about my traitorous womb, and your opinion of the Lord's purposes?

“Truly Pro-Life”

Level 1

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#297 Jul 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't adhere to your premise that pregnancy somehow imbues women with some life or death dominion over another human, particularly in light of the fact that said women failed to avoid becoming pregnant despite their stated desire to avoid the condition.
This being said, the same woman also doesn't acquire the singular ability to foretell the future of the unborn child via pregnancy, so there's no rationale for her to terminate it based upon (only) her version of what that future might be.
Nevertheless, women will retain the right to dominion over our reproductive function, your word salad notwithstanding.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#298 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>What about them? Did you want to exercise your vast measure of 'grace' by haranguing me about my traitorous womb, and your opinion of the Lord's purposes?
I have no grace to offer. I am sorry for your miscarriages. I had one myself 2 years after my daughter was born. It was not God that caused it, it was my body. Abortion is nothing more than an outside force intervening and the mother choosing it.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#299 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Nevertheless, women will retain the right to dominion over our reproductive function, your word salad notwithstanding.
Dominion indicates dominance. If a woman truly exercises dominion, she would embrace abstinence and or contraception. That is true dominion.
conservative crapola

Zionhill, PA

#300 Jul 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on man-made ideals. Death awaits us all, crap.
Duh. Did you just find that out or think your christianity emboldens you to tell everyone the obvious.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#301 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Nevertheless, women will retain the right to dominion over our reproductive function, your word salad notwithstanding.
I'm not asking anyone to cede dominion over their reproductive function. Women have it before they are pregnant. 100% control. You can't even accidentally become pregnant yourself-you have to intentionally involve someone else via a deliberate act to get pregnant.

I just think the woman's dominion is mitigated when a third party enters the picture, that third party being the human life created by non-exercise of dominion prior to pregnancy.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Level 1

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#302 Jul 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not asking anyone to cede dominion over their reproductive function. Women have it before they are pregnant. 100% control. You can't even accidentally become pregnant yourself-you have to intentionally involve someone else via a deliberate act to get pregnant.
I just think the woman's dominion is mitigated when a third party enters the picture, that third party being the human life created by non-exercise of dominion prior to pregnancy.
And you are welcome to your opinion.
Thankfully, the law supports mine.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Level 1

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#303 Jul 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Sure they were.
They were properly and consistently using birth control, so your sample size reflects a 100% BC failure rate. Better call the press on that. That's a lot higher failure rate than what's assumed.
Where did you learn to calculate percentages?

If you want to claim that each incident of unwanted pregnancy while bc was properly and consistently used was a failure rate of 100% for that specific sexual act of which the pregnancy was a result, fine.

But that percentage becomes exponentially smaller, when taking the combined total of potentially procreative sexual acts in which a woman engaged during a given time period.

Statistics can be manipulated to suit dang near ANY agenda.

So can polls.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Level 1

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#304 Jul 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Dominion indicates dominance. If a woman truly exercises dominion, she would embrace abstinence and or contraception. That is true dominion.
And when contraception fails, she's just SOL, right?

Sorry, but it's NOT right - there's a legal medical remedy for the failure of contraception, and women have a right to obtain it whether or not you approve of it.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#305 Jul 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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It was not God that caused it, it was my body..
So then we agree. "God" has nothing to do with pregnancy. Correct?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#306 Jul 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't even accidentally become pregnant yourself-you have to intentionally involve someone else via a deliberate act to get pregnant.
I just think the woman's dominion is mitigated when a third party enters the picture, that third party being the human life created by non-exercise of dominion prior to pregnancy.
Seriously Dan?

I did tell you that I know 2 women who became pregnant by rape. Do you care to rethink your statement?

Now, I will ask.....since your objection to abortion involves the "willingness" of women as a participant are you willing to allow a raped woman/girl who becomes pregnant due to rape an abortion?

Yes or no?
fingiswold

United States

#307 Jul 18, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
I do get to decide by voting for the people who will restrict Abortion to the 20th week, and there is not a thing the Federal Government can do but maybe take it before the Supreme Court. Good luck with that.
one vote, one idiot, no luck..the supreme court will reaffirm roe v. wade.

so bring it on, ne0nazis...

“Truly Pro-Life”

Level 1

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#308 Jul 18, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously Dan?
I did tell you that I know 2 women who became pregnant by rape. Do you care to rethink your statement?
Now, I will ask.....since your objection to abortion involves the "willingness" of women as a participant are you willing to allow a raped woman/girl who becomes pregnant due to rape an abortion?
Yes or no?
He's going to bring up percentages again...hide and watch.

Of course, either way, if he DOES agree that rape mitigates his stance, he's a complete hypocrite...since those 'babies' are just as human.

Ain't painting oneself into a corner a bitch?
Cat74

United States

#309 Jul 18, 2013
Wanna bet? The S C right now is looking for ways to restrict late term abortion, and they will. 20 weeks is plenty of time to kill the unborn child, and if it isn't, oh, well. Planned Parenthood won't take that to the S C, because they know what will happen.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Level 1

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#310 Jul 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no grace to offer. I am sorry for your miscarriages. I had one myself 2 years after my daughter was born. It was not God that caused it, it was my body. Abortion is nothing more than an outside force intervening and the mother choosing it.
So you give God credit for the good stuff, and a pass on the bad?

'God' is the ultimate abortionist, darling.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Level 1

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#311 Jul 19, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>He's going to bring up percentages again...hide and watch.
Of course, either way, if he DOES agree that rape mitigates his stance, he's a complete hypocrite...since those 'babies' are just as human.
Ain't painting oneself into a corner a bitch?
Yeah, and in this circumstance (which he entirely ignored, or forgot about) it flushes his "women" have a 100% control prior to becoming pregnant theory right down the crapper. Isn't it funny how some men can ignore the various circumstances that women are subject to? Dan is pure genius in that area.

I believe this presents Dan with a catch 22. He can play his percentage hand all he likes in order to lump women into one category and dismissing the many circumstances.

“Blessed Be”

Level 1

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#312 Jul 19, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
Wanna bet? The S C right now is looking for ways to restrict late term abortion, and they will. 20 weeks is plenty of time to kill the unborn child, and if it isn't, oh, well. Planned Parenthood won't take that to the S C, because they know what will happen.
SCOTUS is doing no such thing, you moron, you just don't understand how this works.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Level 3

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#313 Jul 19, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
A fetus has no civil rights.
Then explain double murder when a baby is killed with the mother from a knife or gun.

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