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Mexico has something to say about US fencing it off

There are 23 comments on the Denver Post story from Jun 27, 2013, titled Mexico has something to say about US fencing it off. In it, Denver Post reports that:

The US Senate's proposal to dramatically beef up border enforcement has forced Mexican officials to break cover and issue a loud complaint that may prove counter productive.

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Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#1 Jun 28, 2013
An opinion on the article...
Zinka Tabout 20 hours ago Why should Mexico have anything to say about us putting a fence up, I know than there would be fewer illegal persons sending money back to Mexico. Our government needs to stop being pc with these people, we need to stop sending them aid that is supposed to ear marked for the people. We have all these troops coming home why not use them as border guards, they are already on the pay roll. At this point in todays time line we can't afford to support Americans let alone all those coming across the borders. I look at this way since our government isn't going to do anything to enforce the laws but pass bandaids and give us more people to support on taxpayer money, is we go in and clean Mexico out and make it a state or just take it over and puppet in to run the country. No matter what we do build the fence, make them a state or a puppet government the American citizen loses.
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#2 Jun 28, 2013
The decisions of enforcing or not the border and militarizing it or not follow internal interests within USA, the presumption that they are doing it because we want them to is ludicrous and only serves to allow the different parts supporting a decision or the other to wash their hands.
I think the leftists are ruining the opportunity this represents since the current situation reduces USA's capacity to interfere on Mexico's internal matters that makes this the best time to work on building stronger ties with other countries across the world and to be more strict with the Americans living in Mexico found carrying guns.
It could also allow Mexico to better decide what to do with the situation of the OTMs (all that people from all over the world who enters Mexico as a staging point to the USA).
well

Amherstburg, Canada

#3 Jun 28, 2013
US should invade Mexico. If Mexico was a Muslim country this would have happened already.
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#4 Jun 28, 2013
Bah, USA and Muslims are best friends forever!
Look at Kosovo, almost 100% Muslim and only exists thanks to USA. Iraq, where the Chaldean Christians were a favored minority by the Saddam regime and are now persecuted by the Muslims who USA helped put in charge. Turkey, which the Americans armed to the teeth to help contain the Soviet Union. Syria, were USA is supporting the cannibal rebels who bury enemies alive or throw them from windows, I even heard a rumor that the Christian Syrians were supporting Assad out of fear to how radical the new government might be.
To be honest I don't have anything against Muslims but the idea that USA is fighting a "crusade against Muslims" is just a blatant lie.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#5 Jun 28, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
The decisions of enforcing or not the border and militarizing it or not follow internal interests within USA, the presumption that they are doing it because we want them to is ludicrous and only serves to allow the different parts supporting a decision or the other to wash their hands.
I think the leftists are ruining the opportunity this represents since the current situation reduces USA's capacity to interfere on Mexico's internal matters that makes this the best time to work on building stronger ties with other countries across the world and to be more strict with the Americans living in Mexico found carrying guns.
It could also allow Mexico to better decide what to do with the situation of the OTMs (all that people from all over the world who enters Mexico as a staging point to the USA).
The fence is a ridiculous idea. Just enforce the laws that are on the books already. Do it like Mexico. You need to have a certain visa to be able to work in Mexico. I know that they enforce it! If they catch you without it, you could be in jail or even worse. Fine the employers. Make a national ID card that is fail proof and works for entering the job field. If Costco and Sams can do it at the register with a membership card, and a picture on it, so should the government. The government should be able to make a better card for all to carry. Send all illegals back but make the system work so this will not happen again. If they have used illegal ID and not paid taxes then make it harder for them. It is not up to Mexico to tell the Americans how many people can work in the USA. It would be the USA making the rules and then hopefully abiding by them. Turn in people that are working under the table and pay a reward for their civil service. Make it so their is a system that is followed, but they need to have a better system for employers and foreigners looking for jobs. If there are too many just limit them. If 100,000,000 applications come in you do not have to honor them all. There is not an overflow of Americans seeking employment in Mexico because of the pay. But if it got out of hand Mexico has regulations and a constitution with which they could regulate it.

The fence and the the deployment of troops and more guards on the border is wasted tax payer money. If they get caught illegally make it so they do not have a chance to apply for work, a visa or anything for 5 to 10 years. If caught a second time, who knows. Make it easier for Mexicans that want to shop and go to Disneyland a chance to do so. But if caught with an expired do as Mexico or any other country would do.

Take away birth right citizenship of citizens of another country. I have a feeling the constitution was written for Americans. Make sure any employer that hires them has %100 percent full coverage insurance on them. They must have auto insurance and a Mexico drivers license. No ability to use the welfare system in any way shape or form. It is not available in Mexico for foreigners and it works for them.

The key is fair regulations and laws, and actually enforcing them. Then there would not be a need for a fence.
WeWantMexicoImmi grantLaws

Chicago, IL

#6 Jun 28, 2013
Ask a Cuban who has attempted to cross in USA via Mexico how Mexico/Mexican Authorities treated him/her, how strict Mexico enforces her immigration laws,the extortion,the abuse and what human right are not even considered..... Mexico will laugh in your face,treat you as a down right criminal.
Whatever

Saint Louis, MO

#7 Jun 28, 2013
S k r u Mexihole!
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#8 Jun 28, 2013
Once laws are put into effect that do not reward people better things will happen. For one, people from South and Central America will not ride the death train North if they cannot work without a permit. It would be easy for Mexico to stop them because they would just have to have immigration officers at each stop to detain them and deport them. But in reality they are allowed to pass for extortion, money and other reasons.

Mexican people and others would not be dying in the deserts trying to cross because there would be nothing here for them without work permits. Those that had them could walk right through the front door.

No handouts, no jobs without permits, no human smugglers, no birthright, no kidnapping, no extortion and murder of immigrants, no death train, and no deaths due to the extremes.

No more destroying the fragile deserts with tons of garbage and plastic and sewage if they have no reason to cross.

But a wall sends a bad message, and will stop no one. They will find a way to cross if there is something in it for them, and more people will die trying.

The big companies and government are just creating more big government, and do not really have the American laborer at heart. More big buddy handouts for building a fence, and more contracts to buddies for maintaining it and other things. The closest thing they have to their heart is their money.

Legalize marijuana now. But that would take away the big buddy private prison scam money.
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#9 Jun 28, 2013
well wrote:
US should invade Mexico. If Mexico was a Muslim country this would have happened already.
I personally do not think the USA do not invade us because we are not Muslims.

Caspar Weinberger (Ronald Reagan's Defense Minister had the project of an invasion of Mexico long before the US involved itself in the Middle East).

Those plans didn't go because "Mexicans are not muslims"... It is because we Mexicans could put a very good fight.

(And I hope that our capacity to put a good fight, will improve in the short term).
Sirius

Querétaro, Mexico

#10 Jun 28, 2013
Eduardo wrote:
Bah, USA and Muslims are best friends forever!
Look at Kosovo, almost 100% Muslim and only exists thanks to USA. Iraq, where the Chaldean Christians were a favored minority by the Saddam regime and are now persecuted by the Muslims who USA helped put in charge. Turkey, which the Americans armed to the teeth to help contain the Soviet Union. Syria, were USA is supporting the cannibal rebels who bury enemies alive or throw them from windows, I even heard a rumor that the Christian Syrians were supporting Assad out of fear to how radical the new government might be.
To be honest I don't have anything against Muslims but the idea that USA is fighting a "crusade against Muslims" is just a blatant lie.
Let's see, what is in order in the Agenda of the "freedom fighters" supported by France, UK, USA, Israel and the Gulf Monarchies... first of all, to kill or expell ALL THE CHRISTIANS IN SYRIA.

Sounds nice, isn't?

In fact, the Russians are in Syria not only to protect their naval base in Tartus... mostly and foremost, is to protect the Orthodox Christians in Syria.

So...

1. This dude "Well" up there, is traying to convince us that USA have not invaded Mexico, because we are Christians, not Muslims.

So please don't f*cking shit me.

2. About Syria a lot could be said. This is not the place to say it, there are other places where the discussion could be made.

Why is the Western World supporting Al-Qeda in Syria, purportedly the same that downed the World Trade Center, on 9/11, you may ask?

I really don't know what some ex-colonial powers like France and the UK are thinking to get in return for the adventure. Simply beats me.

The USA, is more easy: Is there, because Israel wants it. Because Assad is friend of Hizbullah and Iran. Plain and simple.

Everything else that Eduardo says, it's true. The US policy is not against Muslims, it is about something else than religion.

But returning to the topic: The USA do not invade Mexico for many reasons, being that we are Christians, the less important, if considered at all.
Brenda besson

United States

#11 Jun 28, 2013
Well if they could keep their people in place,we wouldnt have to keep them out,that mexico sucks.they must think they own the world with their demands.i could care less if they do or dont want secured borders.really if they arent happy,they can come here and gather their illegals.they seem to have something to say about everything.they should think about fixing their country and leaving mine alone.sheees.
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#12 Jun 28, 2013
WeWantMexicoImmigrantLaws wrote:
Ask a Cuban who has attempted to cross in USA via Mexico how Mexico/Mexican Authorities treated him/her, how strict Mexico enforces her immigration laws,the extortion,the abuse and what human right are not even considered..... Mexico will laugh in your face,treat you as a down right criminal.
I don't know if the Cubans are treated that way, I sure hope they are.

I am only concerned about Central and South Americans who are targeted by Narcos and other thugs.
Not the Cubans who usually end up kidnapped by their own human trafficking groups operating within Mexico, and then have the nerve to complain about how they don't want Central Americans in Miami.
Eduardo

Durango, Mexico

#13 Jun 28, 2013
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>
The fence is a ridiculous idea. Just enforce the laws that are on the books already. Do it like Mexico. You need to have a certain visa to be able to work in Mexico. I know that they enforce it! If they catch you without it, you could be in jail or even worse. Fine the employers. Make a national ID card that is fail proof and works for entering the job field. If Costco and Sams can do it at the register with a membership card, and a picture on it, so should the government. The government should be able to make a better card for all to carry. Send all illegals back but make the system work so this will not happen again. If they have used illegal ID and not paid taxes then make it harder for them. It is not up to Mexico to tell the Americans how many people can work in the USA. It would be the USA making the rules and then hopefully abiding by them. Turn in people that are working under the table and pay a reward for their civil service. Make it so their is a system that is followed, but they need to have a better system for employers and foreigners looking for jobs. If there are too many just limit them. If 100,000,000 applications come in you do not have to honor them all. There is not an overflow of Americans seeking employment in Mexico because of the pay. But if it got out of hand Mexico has regulations and a constitution with which they could regulate it.
The fence and the the deployment of troops and more guards on the border is wasted tax payer money. If they get caught illegally make it so they do not have a chance to apply for work, a visa or anything for 5 to 10 years. If caught a second time, who knows. Make it easier for Mexicans that want to shop and go to Disneyland a chance to do so. But if caught with an expired do as Mexico or any other country would do.
Take away birth right citizenship of citizens of another country. I have a feeling the constitution was written for Americans. Make sure any employer that hires them has %100 percent full coverage insurance on them. They must have auto insurance and a Mexico drivers license. No ability to use the welfare system in any way shape or form. It is not available in Mexico for foreigners and it works for them.
The key is fair regulations and laws, and actually enforcing them. Then there would not be a need for a fence.
The decision is being taken only by USA ...Yes
Is a bad idea?...beats me
Should Mexico see how we can benefit from it instead of trying to prevent USA from doing it and then taking the blame if they do decide not to do it after all ....hell yes!
Serrano Red

United States

#14 Jun 29, 2013
keep that trash out
Jose

Waterford, CT

#15 Jun 29, 2013
Dumb anglo fools! We will just float over in balloons!!

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#16 Jun 29, 2013
Take away the incentives problem solved

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#17 Jun 30, 2013
Mexican Elite Families should be made to pay for the fence and the suffering.
ima- Ilis Myka Ashanti

El Paso, TX

#18 Jun 30, 2013
Jose wrote:
Dumb anglo fools! We will just float over in balloons!!
that would be ideal for target practice! everyone would sign up.
ima- Ilis Myka Ashanti

El Paso, TX

#19 Jun 30, 2013
RayOne wrote:
Mexican Elite Families should be made to pay for the fence and the suffering.
Good idea, Ray!
Serrano Red

United States

#20 Jul 5, 2013
Wghy would the u.s. want to invade mexihole

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