A year later: Immigrants fear reform will never pass

Jun 22, 2014 Full story: Times Herald 200

Antonio Velasquez, who fled civil war in Guatemala as a teen in 1990, has given up hope that Congress will pass legislation that allows him and his wife to gain legal status in the U.S. a??If Congress doesna??t do something, the great responsibility lies with President Obama because he is the one who promised that he was going to achieve ... (more)

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Earl

Fayetteville, GA

#117 Sep 4, 2014
Guess Who wrote:
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You couldn't get an American PIG!!!
Priceless, GW.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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#118 Sep 5, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Just reminding you of how you earned your citizenship. It was your biggest accomplishment until of course you went to college. After that it appears nothing noteworthy happened.
Birthright citizenship should only be granted to those who are born to legal American citizens. It has caused too many problems for this country after the introduction of our entitlement system. I am and have never been against immigrants who respected us enough to enter following our laws. They earned our respect in return. How did you become a ciizen?
Earl

Fayetteville, GA

#120 Sep 5, 2014
Righteous wrote:
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sorry.......... they do not recognize turners sheep as a legal marriage ..........
Lol!
Guess Who

Sterling, CO

#121 Sep 5, 2014
Righteous wrote:
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sorry.......... they do not recognize turners sheep as a legal marriage ..........
But he is working on it.....
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#122 Sep 5, 2014
Righteous wrote:
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sorry.......... they do not recognize turners sheep as a legal marriage ..........
Better check on that. He does live in NY state where they pride themselves on being "progressive".
Guess Who

Sterling, CO

#123 Sep 5, 2014
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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Better check on that. He does live in NY state where they pride themselves on being "progressive".
Just kind of a baaaaaaaaaa-d situation for the sheep
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#124 Sep 5, 2014
teddyr4me wrote:
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Birthright citizenship should only be granted to those who are born to legal American citizens. It has caused too many problems for this country after the introduction of our entitlement system. I am and have never been against immigrants who respected us enough to enter following our laws. They earned our respect in return. How did you become a ciizen?
OK. I am fine with that if we can take away the citizenship of the descendents of anybody who did not have two US citizen parents when they received their birthright citizenship. That will strip about 90% of population of their citizenship.

Do you really think that when the Ellis Island crowd arrived they dutifully waited ten years or longer to obtain legal residence status and ultimately citizenship before having kids? Of course not. They "dropped anchors" by the dozen soon after they got here. That sort of thing used to be celebrated.

Somehow I get the feeling that there will be exceptions in your policy for earlier generations.

How did I get my citizenship? The same way you did. The lucky sperm club.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#125 Sep 5, 2014
Guess Who wrote:
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That rehetoric is old and tired. Once again MORON it was called conquest then and now. So suck it up and get over it Azzwipe!!! You were not here and neither were we. But the natives lost. What happens when you bring bows and arrows to a gunfight.
Really? So you take offense when somebody with deeper roots in the country takes exception to you calling yourself American? How ironic. How delightful.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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#126 Sep 5, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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OK. I am fine with that if we can take away the citizenship of the descendents of anybody who did not have two US citizen parents when they received their birthright citizenship. That will strip about 90% of population of their citizenship.
Do you really think that when the Ellis Island crowd arrived they dutifully waited ten years or longer to obtain legal residence status and ultimately citizenship before having kids? Of course not. They "dropped anchors" by the dozen soon after they got here. That sort of thing used to be celebrated.
Somehow I get the feeling that there will be exceptions in your policy for earlier generations.
How did I get my citizenship? The same way you did. The lucky sperm club.
Those folks did not consider their kids anchors, nor did they use them as pawns and shields, but you already know that.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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#127 Sep 5, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Really? So you take offense when somebody with deeper roots in the country takes exception to you calling yourself American? How ironic. How delightful.
I forgot to mention that nobody on either side of my mom or dad's family had a crapload of kids like you suggested. I guess they had as many as they could afford...what a novel concept...don't breed the if you can't feed them properly.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#128 Sep 5, 2014
teddyr4me wrote:
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Those folks did not consider their kids anchors, nor did they use them as pawns and shields, but you already know that.
You just said nothing.
Guess Who

Sterling, CO

#129 Sep 5, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Really? So you take offense when somebody with deeper roots in the country takes exception to you calling yourself American? How ironic. How delightful.
If you are talking about Tonto or Pochahontas I really do not care what they think. They lost. Didn't they?
Guess Who

Sterling, CO

#130 Sep 5, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Really? So you take offense when somebody with deeper roots in the country takes exception to you calling yourself American? How ironic. How delightful.
I am descended of Vikings. I think they were here long before the Brits.
Guess Who

Sterling, CO

#131 Sep 5, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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You just said nothing.
You say crap everytime you put your greazy fingers to the keyboard!!!
RADIO

Madison, TN

#133 Sep 5, 2014
The bad thing about all of this is that the American working people are the ones who will end up paying more taxes to cover it all. Our government is going into a lot of debt because of things like this. How will we ever get a pay back? Most early immigrants worked as indentured servants to pay their way and keep and most all of them pledged to support this new nation. Now days it is the tax payers who are required to support freeloaders even if they hate this nations honest legal working citizen's.

“For The Love Of Country”

Since: Aug 14

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#134 Sep 5, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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The previous poster was saying anybody here illegally should just make the effort to have their status adjusted. I was pointing out that there is no way to do this. That is why people are debating immigration reform.
Leaving the country to return home an start over again is not really an option either since US law imposes severe penalties on undocumented people who try to LEAVE the US. We should be encouraging people to leave. Not penalizing them.
Asylum laws are no different. Nobody likes what is going on now, but it is all perfectly legal the way the laws are written.
There are many well meaning people who insist that no changes should ever be made to immigration law under any circumstances. These same people would probably be surprised to find out how many counterproductive laws there are on the books.
By the way, the media only became aware of the asylum issues recently, but people have been exploiting this for the past ten years.
I understood perfectly what that other poster was stating.

"US law imposes severe penalties on undocumented people who try to LEAVE the US. We should be encouraging people to leave. Not penalizing them."

Do you have anything to support that? We have been encouraging the illegal aliens to go home to their countries. I do not see how they are being penalized by going on their own, especially when they are seeing, they really are not being penalized by staying. So, I can only assume this is just another ploy of trickery into getting people to believe, they are being penalized by leaving on their own. I think it is more like, if in fact they are leaving and being caught by doing so, they are being punished/penalized for being here illegally in the first place. They should be penalized with a fine and escorted back to their country. If they have committed a heinous crime, they should be imprisoned. Otherwise, I do not care to jail them as it is not worth the expense. Cut the loss and move on by placing them back in their country.

"There are many well meaning people"

Kind of a dismissal reference don't you think? I kind of think they are a little bit more than just "meaningful people".

No, it is not "perfectly legal" the way the laws are written now for any illegal alien to remain in our mist. The immigration laws on the books right now only require enforcement. We owe no other country anything in regards to their citizens and their quality of life.

lol, the only people who have been exploiting asylum are the advocates who are assisting the illegal aliens to remain regardless of our laws stating otherwise. It is no different than the bogus citizenship of anchor babies. The illegal aliens come on their own free will. As it is, China is sending their Chinese women who are pregnant here to give birth to get citizenship and then they return home with infant in tow.

Who are you trying to fool?

“For The Love Of Country”

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#135 Sep 5, 2014
Memo From Turner wrote:
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OK. I am fine with that if we can take away the citizenship of the descendents of anybody who did not have two US citizen parents when they received their birthright citizenship. That will strip about 90% of population of their citizenship.
Do you really think that when the Ellis Island crowd arrived they dutifully waited ten years or longer to obtain legal residence status and ultimately citizenship before having kids? Of course not. They "dropped anchors" by the dozen soon after they got here. That sort of thing used to be celebrated.
Somehow I get the feeling that there will be exceptions in your policy for earlier generations.
How did I get my citizenship? The same way you did. The lucky sperm club.
"Do you really think that when the Ellis Island crowd arrived they dutifully waited ten years or longer to obtain legal residence status and ultimately citizenship before having kids?"

If you are going back in time, they did not need to wait. They had the clearance already and became part of the new world known as the USA. Many fought and died against the British to make this country what it is today. They went on to fight in the Civil War to abolish slavery. We killed each other. People who basically wanted the same thing in the new world [USA]. It was Abraham Lincoln who signed the Emancipation Proclamation for the slaves held in the confederate states. Most of the slaves in the north were already given their freedom in the north. Regardless, slavery is not the topic here, illegal aliens and illegal immigration is. And neither can be compare to going way back when this country was developed. We needed immigration to build it. Stands to reason for the immigration and having children way back then, don't you think? The wealthy and the poor came and both benefited and both continue to do so.

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#136 Sep 5, 2014
Earl wrote:
<quoted text>Like today, why are Americans supporting most of Mexico's poor? We have a ample supply of Americans who are poor.
You are right and we will always have Americans that are poor. We really do not need to be importing more of the poor. They need to leave on their own and those who refuse, require to be escorted out. I do not care to jail any of them, except those who committed heinous crimes. Even at that, I think there would be more solace to the victims if those criminals were ridded from this country. We do need to cut costs as well as losses [meaning the financial harm], human loss cannot not be recouped. The death penalty would work if we executed it in a timely manner. But waiting 20 years? Send the criminal back and tighten the borders, blast the tunnels and lets move on to a better life for all of us who are Americans or here legally living the American dream and culture.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#137 Sep 5, 2014
- Lady Liberty - wrote:
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I understood perfectly what that other poster was stating.
"US law imposes severe penalties on undocumented people who try to LEAVE the US. We should be encouraging people to leave. Not penalizing them."
Do you have anything to support that?
See. I thought you had basic understanding of immigration law, but apparently I was wrong.

Google "ten year bar". This is one of the laws you so dearly defend.
RIGHT

Madison, TN

#138 Sep 5, 2014
- Lady Liberty - wrote:
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You are right and we will always have Americans that are poor. We really do not need to be importing more of the poor. They need to leave on their own and those who refuse, require to be escorted out. I do not care to jail any of them, except those who committed heinous crimes. Even at that, I think there would be more solace to the victims if those criminals were ridded from this country. We do need to cut costs as well as losses [meaning the financial harm], human loss cannot not be recouped. The death penalty would work if we executed it in a timely manner. But waiting 20 years? Send the criminal back and tighten the borders, blast the tunnels and lets move on to a better life for all of us who are Americans or here legally living the American dream and culture.
What ever happened to the big fence idea? Didn't they allocate thousands of millions of dollars for it?

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