Mythbusting on immigration

Mythbusting on immigration

There are 401 comments on the The Washington Post story from Aug 10, 2013, titled Mythbusting on immigration. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Doug Massey , anyway. Massey is one of the nation's preeminent immigration scholars.

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Dan Salazar

Oakland, CA

#447 Oct 30, 2013
Dan Salazar wrote:
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It is true. La Raza is a racist group of anarhists who are out to destroy America. In Calif, they call themselves "Chicanos".
I know you asked another poster this question, but I can answer that also. The answer NO!

La Raza is not a racist group of anarchists who are out to destroy the United States (by the way, this entire hemisphere is America, both North and South, not just the United States.)

Actually it's the racists who point the finger at La Raza completely unaware that there are three more fingers pointing back at them.
OneRepublic

Oakland, CA

#448 Oct 30, 2013
OneRepublic wrote:
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What a liar, I work in HR, for a Fortune 500 company, and what you've just written on here is pure BS. And, as an aside, Mexicans can be 'white guys' too. I've worked in both exec comp and recruitment, what's your specialization?
Game over booger!
John Clapping

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#449 Oct 31, 2013
OneRepublic wrote:
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Game over booger!
do U send yo bacteria softwear in his compooter? here his song. OneRepublic to late 2apologizee!;)
spud

Blakeslee, PA

#450 Oct 31, 2013
Civician wrote:
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What are you talking about? Where is the government substituting vulnerable citizens for illegals?
Our government is turning a blind eye to illegal aliens working in the US. Obama won't deport illegals just for stealing a job in the US. Illegal aliens are taking lower tier jobs and depressing wages, depriving our most vulnerable citizens of the ability to support themselves. Our government is 100% responsible for this problem because they refuse to enforce current immigration laws.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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Since: Apr 11

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#451 Oct 31, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Our government is turning a blind eye to illegal aliens working in the US. Obama won't deport illegals just for stealing a job in the US. Illegal aliens are taking lower tier jobs and depressing wages, depriving our most vulnerable citizens of the ability to support themselves. Our government is 100% responsible for this problem because they refuse to enforce current immigration laws.
Sad but true.
Jesus Malverde

United States

#452 Oct 31, 2013
Jesus Malverde wrote:
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Okay,you do have a point. I'll urinate on your point and respond later.
That should be ruminate, not urinate. Sorry, spud, had a bud whilst posting. L:OL
Civician

Dixon, CA

#453 Oct 31, 2013
Cevician wrote:
@Cevician, that's too much mumble jumble. Condense you mumble jumble and people may actually read it.
One man's education is another man's mumble jumble.

Why is it people would rather dumb down, than keep up to speed?
Civician

Dixon, CA

#454 Oct 31, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Our government is turning a blind eye to illegal aliens working in the US. Obama won't deport illegals just for stealing a job in the US. Illegal aliens are taking lower tier jobs and depressing wages, depriving our most vulnerable citizens of the ability to support themselves. Our government is 100% responsible for this problem because they refuse to enforce current immigration laws.
Nonsense. Obama has deported more illegals, and especially more with criminal records, than Bush did in two full terms.

You know it's obvious you didn't read any of the study results, because you're still parroting lies about illegal workers in America. It's really not that hard, I'm sure you're capable.

Once you move away from the right wing extremist position of 'Obama bad' you start to realize the world is not made up of simpleton platitudes and ignorance based insults favored by those who just can't deal with the success of our first black President.
spud

Blakeslee, PA

#455 Oct 31, 2013
Civician wrote:
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Nonsense. Obama has deported more illegals, and especially more with criminal records, than Bush did in two full terms.
You know it's obvious you didn't read any of the study results, because you're still parroting lies about illegal workers in America. It's really not that hard, I'm sure you're capable.
Once you move away from the right wing extremist position of 'Obama bad' you start to realize the world is not made up of simpleton platitudes and ignorance based insults favored by those who just can't deal with the success of our first black President.
What good is it to compare Obama to another idiot? Are you actually naïve enough to quote studies and expect to be taken seriously? Do you know enough about economics to understand how flooding the labor market affects wages and unemployment? I see you have a rather high opinion of yourself and your positions but to me you're just a simple minded partisan. Both parties suck, especially yours.
spud

Blakeslee, PA

#456 Oct 31, 2013
Jesus Malverde wrote:
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That should be ruminate, not urinate. Sorry, spud, had a bud whilst posting. L:OL
That was pretty funny.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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#457 Oct 31, 2013
Civician wrote:
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One man's education is another man's mumble jumble.
Why is it people would rather dumb down, than keep up to speed?
That's exactly what some school systems are doing for those who entered school far behind their peers, because their parents never saw fit to learn the language of the country in which they entered without permission.
Oldglory

Coachella, CA

#458 Oct 31, 2013
Jesus Malverde wrote:
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This is what I'm trying to get through your thick skull. Their agenda is self-centered and they make sure their lapdogs, the Republicans push it in Washington.
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I'm sure they're Demos in the Chamber that employ illegals but the Chamber contributes, on behalf of big Corporations, millions to Republicans, and little to Democrats.
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There are lots of, probably millions, of illegal immigrants on US payrolls right now. Are you suggesting they be given a pass?
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As I said, this is a word-for-word quote from the Chamber's website, and does not necessarily reflect my opinion.
http://www.uschamber.com/issues/immigration/u...
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You got me wrong, chief. I couldn't care less, coz, as my homie said to you earlier, I'm a well established professional and there won't be an illegal alien taking my job. Only the low-skilled and low-brow are threatened.
I see, so the American blue-collared workforce which is the backbone of this country are just low-skilled, low-brow individuals to you that don't count for shit only you do? Got it. Despicable!
Oldglory

Coachella, CA

#459 Oct 31, 2013
Civician wrote:
Illegal workers have a positive impact on the economy, the workforce, and native workers.
From factcheck.org :
But whether they’re legal, as in the CFAW ad, or illegal, as in our two other examples, really doesn’t matter for the purpose of answering our question: The truth is that immigrants don’t "take American jobs," according to most economists and others who have studied the issue.
Immigrant workers "create almost as many" jobs as they occupy, "and maybe more," said Madeleine Sumption, policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, which is funded by a range of foundations, corporations and international organizations. "They often create the jobs they work in." In addition, "they buy things, and they make the economy bigger," she told us. As she and a co-author wrote in a report last year for a group created by the British government:
Somerville and Sumption:[T]he impact of immigration [on a nation's economy] remains small, for several reasons. Immigrants are not competitive in many types of jobs, and hence are not direct substitutes for natives. Local employers increase demand for low-skilled labor in areas that receive low-skilled immigrant inflows. Immigrants contribute to demand for goods and services that they consume, in turn increasing the demand for labor. And immigrants contribute to labor market efficiency and long-term economic growth.
David Griswold, director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, wrote in an article for Commentary magazine in December:
Griswold: The addition of low-skilled immigrants expands the size of the overall economy, creating higher-wage openings for managers, craftsmen, accountants, and the like. The net result is a greater financial reward and relatively more opportunities for those Americans who finish high school.
And a new study by economist Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute — a liberal think tank that has been funded in part by U.S. labor unions – says that:
Shierholz: In the ongoing debate on immigration, there is broad agreement among academic economists that it has a small but positive impact on the wages of native-born workers overall: although new immigrant workers add to the labor supply, they also consume goods and services, which creates more jobs …
Any articles that call illegal aliens "immigrants" are not to be believed. There is a huge difference between "immigrants" and illegal aliens and their net costs or benefits to this country. Most of what you are spouting is about real immigrants who come here legally and do not impose costs on us. Illegal aliens do. Learn to know the difference and not to blur the lines between legal and illegal.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#460 Oct 31, 2013
Civician wrote:
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Nonsense. Obama has deported more illegals, and especially more with criminal records, than Bush did in two full terms.
You know it's obvious you didn't read any of the study results, because you're still parroting lies about illegal workers in America. It's really not that hard, I'm sure you're capable.
Once you move away from the right wing extremist position of 'Obama bad' you start to realize the world is not made up of simpleton platitudes and ignorance based insults favored by those who just can't deal with the success of our first black President.
Not only did Obama deport more people than Bush deported in two terms, but he also deported more people than the 18 presidents who served before Bush COMBINED.

That was a tactical mistake by Obama. He wanted show he was tough on enforcement as a means to appease the right, but did not anticipate the era of post-truth politics.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#461 Oct 31, 2013
OneRepublic wrote:
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What a liar, I work in HR, for a Fortune 500 company, and what you've just written on here is pure BS. And, as an aside, Mexicans can be 'white guys' too. I've worked in both exec comp and recruitment, what's your specialization?
Oh yes. With the vile shit that comes out of your mouth you would not last ten minutes in HR. Who are you kidding?
Oldglory

Coachella, CA

#462 Oct 31, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Not only did Obama deport more people than Bush deported in two terms, but he also deported more people than the 18 presidents who served before Bush COMBINED.
That was a tactical mistake by Obama. He wanted show he was tough on enforcement as a means to appease the right, but did not anticipate the era of post-truth politics.
Link, please. So you are another one that is going to ignore Obama's own words that the numbers were not as high as was stated since those turned back at the border were counted as deportations?

Even if the above were true Obama gave 800,000 illegals a stay of deportation with work permits (link provided previously) and 1.8 million could possibly be eligible. He has also instructed Homeland Security not to deport ANY illegals unless they are convicted felons or have 3 dismeanors on their record. So you tell me why you think Obama has been so great on deportations then? If anything it would be a wash in my eyes.
Jesus Malverde

United States

#463 Oct 31, 2013
I don't understand why turning someone away at the border (if he doesn't have permission to enter, that is) doesn't seem to count in your book.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#464 Oct 31, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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Link, please. So you are another one that is going to ignore Obama's own words that the numbers were not as high as was stated since those turned back at the border were counted as deportations?
Even if the above were true Obama gave 800,000 illegals a stay of deportation with work permits (link provided previously) and 1.8 million could possibly be eligible. He has also instructed Homeland Security not to deport ANY illegals unless they are convicted felons or have 3 dismeanors on their record. So you tell me why you think Obama has been so great on deportations then? If anything it would be a wash in my eyes.
Cold hard facts. Deal with it.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Level 10

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#465 Oct 31, 2013
Jesus Malverde wrote:
I don't understand why turning someone away at the border (if he doesn't have permission to enter, that is) doesn't seem to count in your book.
The numbers are skewed because a single person can attempt to come in ten times, and each time he/she is turned back, it is counted as a deportation, when in reality, it was one person who was deported multiple times. Capisce? The numbers are and were skewed.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#466 Oct 31, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>The numbers are skewed because a single person can attempt to come in ten times, and each time he/she is turned back, it is counted as a deportation, when in reality, it was one person who was deported multiple times. Capisce? The numbers are and were skewed.
No they were not. A turn-back is not a deportation.

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