Mythbusting on immigration

Mythbusting on immigration

There are 401 comments on the The Washington Post story from Aug 10, 2013, titled Mythbusting on immigration. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Doug Massey , anyway. Massey is one of the nation's preeminent immigration scholars.

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Since: Oct 13

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#321 Oct 20, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
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As a taxpayer, I couldn't care less about percentages. It's the aggregate amount that I am concerned about. 1% out of a group of 100 is 1. 1% out of a group of 1000 is 10. It is the latter that I am concerned about.
So since aggregate is what matters more to you you'd be okay with 50 out of 100 persons being on Welfare as apposed to 51 out of 1,000.
Right? After all, 50 is 1 less than 51.

It doesn't matter what the percentages are, it's the aggregate amount that matters to you, right?
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#322 Oct 20, 2013
Daemon wrote:
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Woopty doo, Whites have the lowest percentage on Welfare. I suppose that's something to be proud of, but did you notice the discrepancy between Blacks and everyone else? Well did you? Or did you suddenly go blind?
Duh, you don't see the numbers clearly do you? Here let me clarify the matter for you, considering the Whites have been here in the US for many, many generations and considering that English is their native language and considering that they get all the perks for being white, such as better job position, highers salaries, etc...Despite all the advantages Whites have, why are they even on Welfare?
Now despite all the disadvantages that Latinos have, such as many being recent immigrants, many speaking English as a second language, or not speaking English at all, and many not getting the perks that the White people get, you know, better positions, higher salaries, etc., they are just 1.28 percentage points higher than Whites.
Latinos are doing much better than Whites. Considering the advantages and disadvantages between Latinos and Whites, Latinos are doing much, Much, MUCH better than Whites.
Are your really this stupid that you don't know that no matter how long any race or ethnic group lives in a county they will always have their poor. Poor whites and blacks have lost their jobs to your illegal amigos. That would explain why some are on welfare would it not?

There is no such thing as white priviledge anymore. Do you think you are still living in 1950? There are all kinds of AA programs for minorities. Yeah, if Latinos are doing better than whites (link please to your assertions) it is because they are the priviledged group now and it doesn't even seem to matter if they are here illegally or not. They are coddled and pandered to in Spanish and the illegal kind are not being deported as they should be.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#323 Oct 20, 2013
Daemon wrote:
Recent immigrants have a very good work ethic. They come here ready and willing to put in their share of work.
The Latinos are likely to continue do well in terms of staying out of Welfare as long as they maintain that good work ethic.
However, if they become too "Americanized," meaning they assimilate too much with the so-called "American" mainstream and lose their Latino identity, they risk the possibility of losing their work ethics.
"Americans" as a rule are not credited for having good work ethics. They want high salaries for menial work. They're ready and willing to sue the employer for the slightest infraction, etc, etc, etc....
What utter BS! Are you not aware that there are Americans of all races and ethnic groups? Are they all lousy workers in your book? Where is your proof of this nonsense? How did we get to be the most successful country in the world if Americans have lousy work ethics?

If violating our immigration laws is part of their Latino identity and culture they could stand to get rid of that mentality. If they don't want to assimilate to our society then they can return to the Latino country of their choice. We don't need them!

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#324 Oct 20, 2013
This guy, like many other academics, needs to get away from his desk and away from his insulated office and get out and deal with real people, not statistics and numbers. He needs to see first hand what the problem is, not rely on analysis of numbers, books, and policies to formulate what he thinks is some sort of magnificent idea.

Why not get out and talk to illegals, live amongst them. Before you formulate an opinion? Why not also get out and speak with, and experience what americans go through when dealing with illegals?

The answer is that such an approach would require effort other than reading books and policies at your desk and publishing without honest research. Research in this area aught to be fair, complete, and objective, and this piece is far from that
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#325 Oct 20, 2013
superwilly wrote:
This guy, like many other academics, needs to get away from his desk and away from his insulated office and get out and deal with real people, not statistics and numbers. He needs to see first hand what the problem is, not rely on analysis of numbers, books, and policies to formulate what he thinks is some sort of magnificent idea.
Why not get out and talk to illegals, live amongst them. Before you formulate an opinion? Why not also get out and speak with, and experience what americans go through when dealing with illegals?
The answer is that such an approach would require effort other than reading books and policies at your desk and publishing without honest research. Research in this area aught to be fair, complete, and objective, and this piece is far from that
Do I also have to go out and talk to American lawbreakers before I form the opinion that they are...wait for it....lawbreakers? There is no excuse for breaking the law, period because there is usually a victim one way or another. What about them don't they count? It is particularly offensive when foreigners have the nerve to crash our borders illegally and continue to break laws like ID theft, stealing jobs and taxes from Americans. Some commit even more serious crimes. We have enough of our own criminals we sure don't need to import the foreign kind also.
Level 5

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#326 Oct 20, 2013
Daemon wrote:
Recent immigrants have a very good work ethic. They come here ready and willing to put in their share of work.
The Latinos are likely to continue do well in terms of staying out of Welfare as long as they maintain that good work ethic.
However, if they become too "Americanized," meaning they assimilate too much with the so-called "American" mainstream and lose their Latino identity, they risk the possibility of losing their work ethics.
"Americans" as a rule are not credited for having good work ethics. They want high salaries for menial work. They're ready and willing to sue the employer for the slightest infraction, etc, etc, etc....
What an absolutely stupid rant you've just made. Doesn't your head implode with all of the b-s you post? Who knows, maybe you were born this way, although I'd like to think you were dropped on your head as a kid, what an embarrassment.
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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#327 Oct 20, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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Are your really this stupid that you don't know that no matter how long any race or ethnic group lives in a county they will always have their poor. Poor whites and blacks have lost their jobs to your illegal amigos. That would explain why some are on welfare would it not?
There is no such thing as white priviledge anymore. Do you think you are still living in 1950? There are all kinds of AA programs for minorities. Yeah, if Latinos are doing better than whites (link please to your assertions) it is because they are the priviledged group now and it doesn't even seem to matter if they are here illegally or not. They are coddled and pandered to in Spanish and the illegal kind are not being deported as they should be.
Very true!
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#328 Oct 21, 2013
OneRepublic wrote:
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Very true!
Note how the pro-illegal trolls in here will never answer any questions posed to them? Note also how they throw the race card at you when no racist statements have been made to hide their own racism? Note how they claim that they have proven you wrong but they never show how they did that? They just ignore that when you call them on it and just keep coming back with the race card and insults instead with no basis for it. Well two can play the same game and I just hurled it right back at them and then I refuse to read or reply to their adolescent, hateful, lying posts anymore. I suggest you do the same.
mdactivist

Essex, MD

#329 Oct 21, 2013
Hola Isabella wrote:
The so-called militarization of the border is not the reason this country is infested by 30 million bedbug-laden illegal aliens. They stopped going back to Mexico because when they stayed in the US they got free medical care, welfare, food stamps and educations for their anchor bastards. These people are LEECHES. When will the"experts" recognize this????
The experts know quite well why they allow this..These illegals are voting. In md they even give these poor "new americans" a drivers license so they can work our jobs and vote!!Our Governor omalley wants to be president in 2016. please say O'NO O'Malley.
Level 5

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#330 Oct 21, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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Note how the pro-illegal trolls in here will never answer any questions posed to them? Note also how they throw the race card at you when no racist statements have been made to hide their own racism? Note how they claim that they have proven you wrong but they never show how they did that? They just ignore that when you call them on it and just keep coming back with the race card and insults instead with no basis for it. Well two can play the same game and I just hurled it right back at them and then I refuse to read or reply to their adolescent, hateful, lying posts anymore. I suggest you do the same.
True, but I enjoy calling people out on their BS and stupidity. It's just too easy.
bob

Phoenix, AZ

#331 Oct 21, 2013
Daemon wrote:
Recent immigrants have a very good work ethic. They come here ready and willing to put in their share of work.
The Latinos are likely to continue do well in terms of staying out of Welfare as long as they maintain that good work ethic.
However, if they become too "Americanized," meaning they assimilate too much with the so-called "American" mainstream and lose their Latino identity, they risk the possibility of losing their work ethics.
"Americans" as a rule are not credited for having good work ethics. They want high salaries for menial work. They're ready and willing to sue the employer for the slightest infraction, etc, etc, etc....
Bottom line is Mexicans are stupid . And will work and get hurt on the job . And oh well!!!!! Go to ER where taxpayers pick up the bill. Why do you think Companies don't like obumer care ??? because now they have to insure everyone . and its getting tougher to hire illegals . No workman's comp . no benefits under the table. Mexicans day wage in Mexico 7.00 . No where in America do you make just 7.00 a day. You have to have money to sue . Mexicans don't have any.

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#332 Oct 21, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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Do I also have to go out and talk to American lawbreakers before I form the opinion that they are...wait for it....lawbreakers? There is no excuse for breaking the law, period because there is usually a victim one way or another. What about them don't they count? It is particularly offensive when foreigners have the nerve to crash our borders illegally and continue to break laws like ID theft, stealing jobs and taxes from Americans. Some commit even more serious crimes. We have enough of our own criminals we sure don't need to import the foreign kind also.
No. My post was critical of academic liberals who do nothing more than read books and formulate hypotheses and publish them as if they did real research and expect people to just accept it as truth. As a conservative, if honest research were done on the illegal immigration issue, we would find that it is more pervasive than we thought and consequences are not only born by the american people, but also by the illegal who, by lack of his own effort and ignorance squanders the chance he wants to give himself and his family a better future as a fully functional contributor to our society. His ignorance falls upon himself with missed opportunity, poor health, low wages, poor transient housing. Good research will show that the successful immigrant is the one who quickly becomes an ametican citizen. Citizenship matters that much.

My immigrant ancestors

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#333 Oct 21, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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No. My post was critical of academic liberals who do nothing more than read books and formulate hypotheses and publish them as if they did real research and expect people to just accept it as truth. As a conservative, if honest research were done on the illegal immigration issue, we would find that it is more pervasive than we thought and consequences are not only born by the american people, but also by the illegal who, by lack of his own effort and ignorance squanders the chance he wants to give himself and his family a better future as a fully functional contributor to our society. His ignorance falls upon himself with missed opportunity, poor health, low wages, poor transient housing. Good research will show that the successful immigrant is the one who quickly becomes an ametican citizen. Citizenship matters that much.
My immigrant ancestors
My immigrant ancestors fought hard to learn english and assimilate. My grandfathet explained it "willy; momma and poppa taught us 'speak polish and english at home, outside, and in school speak english, we are in america now, we are american, this is our country now, we are not in poland'". They were so determined to change and become contributing american citizens. Potential immigrants should all have that attitude and determination.

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#334 Oct 21, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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Do I also have to go out and talk to American lawbreakers before I form the opinion that they are...wait for it....lawbreakers? There is no excuse for breaking the law, period because there is usually a victim one way or another. What about them don't they count? It is particularly offensive when foreigners have the nerve to crash our borders illegally and continue to break laws like ID theft, stealing jobs and taxes from Americans. Some commit even more serious crimes. We have enough of
our own criminals we sure don't need to import the foreign kind also.
Successful immigrants do not think of themselves so much. They are mindful of conditions back home and are grateful for the opportunity to become an american citizen. Not so with the illegal, who only thinks of himself.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#335 Oct 21, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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No. My post was critical of academic liberals who do nothing more than read books and formulate hypotheses and publish them as if they did real research and expect people to just accept it as truth. As a conservative, if honest research were done on the illegal immigration issue, we would find that it is more pervasive than we thought and consequences are not only born by the american people, but also by the illegal who, by lack of his own effort and ignorance squanders the chance he wants to give himself and his family a better future as a fully functional contributor to our society. His ignorance falls upon himself with missed opportunity, poor health, low wages, poor transient housing. Good research will show that the successful immigrant is the one who quickly becomes an ametican citizen. Citizenship matters that much.
My immigrant ancestors
I am no liberal. I am a conservative. It is the bleeding heart liberals that defend these illegal aliens. No one has a right to a better life by breaking the law and while reducing the quality of life for others. Illegals do not contribute to our society they take from it. You really need to educate yourself on this subject.

Why do you keep saying "immigrant"? The subject is illegal aliens not "immigrants". I have immigrant ancestors also. They came here legally. Learn to know the difference, will you?
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#336 Oct 21, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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My immigrant ancestors fought hard to learn english and assimilate. My grandfathet explained it "willy; momma and poppa taught us 'speak polish and english at home, outside, and in school speak english, we are in america now, we are american, this is our country now, we are not in poland'". They were so determined to change and become contributing american citizens. Potential immigrants should all have that attitude and determination.
Why are you replying to yourself?
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#337 Oct 21, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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I am no liberal. I am a conservative. It is the bleeding heart liberals that defend these illegal aliens. No one has a right to a better life by breaking the law and while reducing the quality of life for others. Illegals do not contribute to our society they take from it. You really need to educate yourself on this subject.
Why do you keep saying "immigrant"? The subject is illegal aliens not "immigrants". I have immigrant ancestors also. They came here legally. Learn to know the difference, will you?
Please explain the elaborate process your family went through before they came here legally. It will be inspiring to hear how they did it and would serve as an example to others.

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#338 Oct 21, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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I am no liberal. I am a conservative. It is the bleeding heart liberals that defend these illegal aliens. No one has a right to a better life by breaking the law and while reducing the quality of life for others. Illegals do not contribute to our society they take from it. You really need to educate yourself on this subject.
Why do you keep saying "immigrant"? The subject is illegal aliens not "immigrants". I have immigrant ancestors also. They came here legally. Learn to know the difference, will you?
How about this I AGREE WITH YOU. I use the term immigrant to describe those who do it the right way.

Can we have a conversation without insults?

“too hard to handle”

Level 4

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#339 Oct 21, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
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Why are you replying to yourself?
It was the only way to continue with the point I was trying to make.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#340 Oct 22, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Please explain the elaborate process your family went through before they came here legally. It will be inspiring to hear how they did it and would serve as an example to others.
My ancestors came through Ellis Island which was the legal port of entry at the time and they came within the immigration laws in place at the time.

Our nation has changed. We no longer need millions of unskilled, uneducated "immigrants" for nation building. At the time of Ellis Island we were a sparsely populated nation with plentiful jobs and resources. Not so today. We have nearly 320 million people in this country now with scarce jobs and resources. That is why today our immigration quotas/policies are different than before but we still allow in 1 million legal immigrants annually. If you can't tell the difference between the circumstances when Ellis Island was in place and today then your thinking is skewered or biasness based on ethnic blinders.

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