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#147 Feb 5, 2013
Pathway to citizenship could increase Obamacare cost up to $300 billion over a decade
2:32 AM 02/05/2013

Any immigration package in which current illegal immigrants are made eligible for ObamaCare — in the form of either exchanges or Medicaid — could increase costs to the federal government by between $120 billion to $200 billion in its first decade, according to internal calculations by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee that were obtained exclusively by The Daily Caller.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/05/pathway-to-...

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#148 Feb 5, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I got the information from a government report. I'm not a link keeper. Feel free to disregard what I posted if you like for lack of a link. But, when I originally posted, I provided the link to a government report. I didn't hear it from a friend who heard it from a friend. The data went back to either 2006 or 2007. Otherwise, I will google it when I have time and see if the report is still online.
Ok Ntr I have been trying to find that info on google but haven't been successful to date. I guess it must have been about something else you said you got from a friend from Irs. Not important I could have also remembered wrong I do that from time to time. I am using lumosity hoping it will help.
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#149 Feb 5, 2013
If INS expires all visa and green card status for Indians and Chinese and all other. They can reprocess them with temp 3 months business visa's and make revenue that way by charging fees for each processing every three months and limit entry twice. That way all 3-4 billion will get opportunity and INS revenue will go up. Also tourism will go up...:-)

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#150 Feb 5, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>Well I have to ask Jax. Why do you oppose an adjustment of status of all illegals here now and a path, to a path to citizenship?
A path to a path.

That's an interesting way to say it.

I don't know, I guess it makes a difference to me if the individual has been paying into social security or simply working under the table.

Still don't like it, but the argument can be made that one has been contributing something and the other hasn't.

Have they been deported and come back?

Have they been in the US consistently or have they been traveling back and forth at their leisure?

There are several factors, but now that you've asked and my back is against the wall to explain I would need a few minutes to put it into words.

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#151 Feb 5, 2013
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A path to a path.
That's an interesting way to say it.
I don't know, I guess it makes a difference to me if the individual has been paying into social security or simply working under the table.
Still don't like it, but the argument can be made that one has been contributing something and the other hasn't.
Have they been deported and come back?
Have they been in the US consistently or have they been traveling back and forth at their leisure?
There are several factors, but now that you've asked and my back is against the wall to explain I would need a few minutes to put it into words.
Take your time Jax I'm heading out for the night. Past my bedtime.
See ya when I can get back.

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#152 Feb 5, 2013
4) Those accepted into the program must register their permanent address with DHS and keep it current with their employer. They must respond to mail inquiries from program administrators or be subject to being terminated from the program.

Accepted and enrolled TGW will be eligible to apply for and receive a valid driver's license in their states of residence that identify TGW status and which may be used as proof of legal status in any encounter with law enforcement or in transacting routine business

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

I have a question about this part.

Not a critique, just a question.

If the guest worker has been granted legal status to work here, can a state still single them out and refuse to issue a drivers license?

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#153 Feb 5, 2013
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4) Those accepted into the program must register their permanent address with DHS and keep it current with their employer. They must respond to mail inquiries from program administrators or be subject to being terminated from the program.
Accepted and enrolled TGW will be eligible to apply for and receive a valid driver's license in their states of residence that identify TGW status and which may be used as proof of legal status in any encounter with law enforcement or in transacting routine business
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...
I have a question about this part.
Not a critique, just a question.
If the guest worker has been granted legal status to work here, can a state still single them out and refuse to issue a drivers license?
Not if they qualify by passing the same standards as any other driver. If they fail their driver's test, tough luck. If they don't drive, they would be issued a tamper proof ID that serves the same purpose for lawful identification.

Again, we're talking Federal Immigration law where states can't go off in a different direction. Those states who have passed and instituted laws that have been approved by the courts are in instances where there is no conflict between the State Law and the Federal Laws related to immigration.

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#154 Feb 5, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Not if they qualify by passing the same standards as any other driver. If they fail their driver's test, tough luck. If they don't drive, they would be issued a tamper proof ID that serves the same purpose for lawful identification.
Again, we're talking Federal Immigration law where states can't go off in a different direction. Those states who have passed and instituted laws that have been approved by the courts are in instances where there is no conflict between the State Law and the Federal Laws related to immigration.
After I asked the question I started to wonder if the equal protections clause would play into that too.

If federal law says the person is in the country legally and they reside in the state then the state really doesn't have a choice.

So, a state issued drivers license would answer any questions law enforcement might have about immigration status in a situation where law enforcement would have the right to ask for identification.
dwg

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#155 Feb 5, 2013
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Here's the thing for me.
It looks like we are headed for immigration reform that would amount to a mass amnesty and a path to citizenship.
I'm opposed to that and I am looking for alternatives we might be able to get our representatives to consider that would satisfy the desire for a resolution, avoid a path to citizenship and do something to reduce the flow of future illegal immigration.
There are elements of this plan that I think might accomplish those goals and I would prefer that to what is currently gathering momentum in Washington.
"NO" is not an answer anymore.
The question is, would you prefer documented guest workers, or a general amnesty with a path to citizenship and very little to stop future illegal immigration?
Jaxxon Wrote:......"The question is, would you prefer documented guest workers, or a general amnesty with a path to citizenship and very little to stop future illegal immigration?..."

DWG WROTE:

YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !

YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !

YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !

YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !

YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !

YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !

YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !

YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !

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#156 Feb 5, 2013
dwg wrote:
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Jaxxon Wrote:......"The question is, would you prefer documented guest workers, or a general amnesty with a path to citizenship and very little to stop future illegal immigration?..."
DWG WROTE:
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
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Don't pretend you don't know that there are Democrats who also object to "pathway to citizenship"? It's MONEY, and it's just about as bad as turning hundred dollar bills into 100 pennies. The financial costs of so doing are HUGE over time. You don't seriously think it's only 11 million illegals we'll have to provide for in their senior years, do you? How about providing security for 20 million more people once they receive LPR status? Watch your own social security (assuming you are American?) plummet. THAT is what you're lobbying for - more misery in America for our seniors than is already in the forecast.

Did ANYBODY in Washington ask Americans approaching retirement if they wanted to cover 20 million more former illegals as well? Did anybody ask the men who were replaced by illegal labor how they feel about being pushed from their jobs and then watching their own social security pensions decline to the lowest benefit from the beginning - because they couldn't find work to keep earning and increasing their benefits? No, they did not.

Of course, those are only Americans. Who cares about them? Right? Not business. Not Washington who SERVES BUSINESS. Not illegal workers who want "theirs'" which is really OURS - No immgrant rights activists.

Nobody cares about American labor except a few of us who care a whole helluva lot about them and how wrong, greedy, selfish, and downright cruel this master manipulation of "amnesty" would be to Americans. You know? The people to whom this country is SUPPOSED to belong? And, you wonder why some are mad? Figure it out.

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#157 Feb 5, 2013
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-02-02...

The case for a national ID card
By Editorial Board,February 02, 2013

THE UNITED STATES has invested tens of billions of dollars in the past decade alone to foil illegal immigration — tightening the border, accelerating deportations, deputizing local police — while doing precious little to stop employers from hiring undocumented immigrants.

That is fixable — by means of a universal national identity card — and must be fixed as part of any sensible overhaul of the nation’s immigration system.

Critics of immigration reform are right that the last big attempt to fix the system, in 1986, was no fix at all. Millions of undocumented immigrants were given amnesty but without any effective provision to stop future illegal migrants from entering the country or overstaying their visas.(cont.)
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#158 Feb 5, 2013
Obama’s 1-2 Punch?

If election campaigns are supposed to be an exercise in coming to grips with our biggest problems, then the one we just went through was a dismal failure. Our only real solution — a strategy to reignite consistent growth so we can narrow our income gaps and lift the middle class — never got a serious airing. Instead, each side was focused on how to secure a bigger slice of a shrinking pie for its own base. This lousy campaign produced the worst of all outcomes: President Obama won on a platform that had little to do with our core problems and is only a small part of the solution — raising taxes on the wealthy — so he has little incentive to rethink his strategy. And the Republicans did not lose badly enough — they held the House — to have to fully rethink their strategy. It does not bode well.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/opinion/fri...

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#159 Feb 6, 2013
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Obama’s 1-2 Punch?
If election campaigns are supposed to be an exercise in coming to grips with our biggest problems, then the one we just went through was a dismal failure. Our only real solution — a strategy to reignite consistent growth so we can narrow our income gaps and lift the middle class — never got a serious airing. Instead, each side was focused on how to secure a bigger slice of a shrinking pie for its own base. This lousy campaign produced the worst of all outcomes: President Obama won on a platform that had little to do with our core problems and is only a small part of the solution — raising taxes on the wealthy — so he has little incentive to rethink his strategy. And the Republicans did not lose badly enough — they held the House — to have to fully rethink their strategy. It does not bode well.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/opinion/fri...
It didn't bode one iota better the other way under a Romney presidency. Not a bit. That's why we passed. He didn't have a plan except for the 2%. Everybody else was left out in the cold. So, complain all you want. We had no other real option than to reelect this President. Just the way it was.
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#160 Feb 6, 2013
Reality check on immigration reform’s obstacles

For immigration reform to become a reality it must be passed by the end of July before Congresses’ summer recess. If it is not passed by then, consider immigration reform as good as dead.

Read more: http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/02/01/reality-check-...

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#161 Feb 6, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>I don't believe that the number of illegals currently here is anywhere near the number you are speaking about. Which is one reason that things need to be done now before more come in when our economy gets better. It will get better as it has already started to do so.
But economists are pointing to illegals not doing the amount of damage to America as they have been being blamed for in the past. You know it does show more accurate figures when one uses all that has an effect....good or bad.
It won't be of much help for Americans wanting jobs if all illegals were gone tomorrow. More then likely we would just end up losing more businesses, which is what has happened with all the deportations of the past few years.
"Report: Mass Deportation Policies Harm State Economies | From anti-immigrant state laws in Alabama and Arizona designed to force immigrants out of the state and Gov. Rick Perry’s (R-TX) proposal to deport every single undocumented immigrant, Republicans — including Mitt Romney — are supporting harmful mass deportation policies. According to a new report from the Center for American Progress, deporting millions of undocumented immigrants would hurt businesses because there would be fewer consumers. But granting legal status to immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally would be an economic boon to seven states included in the report. For example, legalizing every undocumented immigrant in Florida would generate enough in tax revenue to close the state’s 2013 budget deficit, but if Colorado deported every undocumented immigrant, its gross state product would shrink by $7.4 billion."
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/30/7...
We have a much more diverse job market then we have ever had in the past. Many Americans work and live in other Countries. Their choose. We have a new generation that isn't interested in full time jobs.
"This perception of the 50-million member Millennial generation is typified by a quote in The Washington Post from Jared Rogalia, 25, a Hertz rental car manager-trainee in Alexandria, Va. He describes his generation as “spoiled and lazy.”
“We’re free-spirited,” Rogalia said.“[T]hey’d rather be poorer and have free time and have free time than have a lot of money.”
Rogalia is not along in his observations about the Millennials being spoiled.
Business owners interviewed by the Post slammed their Millennial employees as not wanting to put in needed time and energy to succeed."
http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/04/21/pew-mi...
It's my understanding that the current legislation will stop the new visa holders from receiving any Gov social services as long as they hold that visa status.
In 2003 the illegal alien population was estimated at 12 million. That is 10 years ago. 900,000 illegals enter this country every year. Many are not caught. Still think there is only 11 million illegals here? Our government will not tell the truth about how many illegals are really here. If the truth were known there wouldn't be a snowball's chance in hell of any sort of amnesty happening.

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#162 Feb 6, 2013
dwg wrote:
<quoted text>
Jaxxon Wrote:......"The question is, would you prefer documented guest workers, or a general amnesty with a path to citizenship and very little to stop future illegal immigration?..."
DWG WROTE:
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
YOU ASK ME TO CHANGE $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR 100 PENNIES ? Republicans will be buried !
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Dwg
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I've been civil up until now and I've been called a lot of things in my life, but you start calling me a republican and the fight is on jerk.

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#163 Feb 6, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>It didn't bode one iota better the other way under a Romney presidency. Not a bit. That's why we passed. He didn't have a plan except for the 2%. Everybody else was left out in the cold. So, complain all you want. We had no other real option than to reelect this President. Just the way it was.
Everybody knows by now that I didn't vote for Obama in 2008, but I took a good hard look at what the republican party had become and what they had to offer and the decision to vote for Obama in 2013 was a lot easier to make than I ever thoguht it would be.
spud

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#164 Feb 6, 2013
The FACT that Democrats hate the idea of having an E verify system along with the FACT that the Republican leadership in the House stonewalled E verify legislation last summer should lead any reasonable person to see that neither party really wants to deal with this problem. The only thing I see here is political competition for votes.

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#165 Feb 6, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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Everybody knows by now that I didn't vote for Obama in 2008, but I took a good hard look at what the republican party had become and what they had to offer and the decision to vote for Obama in 2013 was a lot easier to make than I ever thoguht it would be.
2012...it's early.

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