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#274 Feb 16, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>T4Me, please read the first four posts of this thread. They comprise an alternate immigration reform proposal that I genuinely believe is better for America.
I would appreciate your comments about it. Thanks so much.
I will go read them right now!!!

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#275 Feb 16, 2013
I agree with most of your ideas, especially with your contention that the illegals' American-born five and under are not Americanized. As I have stated many times before, so many of them enter school without th eability to communicate in English. They enter school being behind their American counterparts and immediately need to be put into an ELL program. I prefer a total immersion program, It takes a lot of time on the teacher's part, but I think its a more effective way for them to learn English, and it saves the school a bundle.
How does your plan deal with those who don't have the residency and years of work requirements? How will it ferret out those who don't come forward? What about birthright citizenship? I still have more reading to do...right now, I am fighting a headache, but I will get back to this later, I promise.

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#276 Feb 16, 2013
DWG

Everett, MA

#277 Feb 16, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>I will go read them right now!!!
My pleasure talk to you Mr. teddyr4me

Mr. teddyr4me, pay attention please.

Now, how I saw you always had sketch of your law from many years ago, like Leonardo da Vince sketch his parachute in 1483.

Immigration Law and Leonardo da Vinci sofer for the same problem, no money, no real interest and not enough tecnology.

I am sure if Leonardo da Vinci had enough money at that time for sure his sketch should work fine at 1483. because just in 2000 :

"Test on 2000 by Adrian Nicholas

http://www.leonardodavinci.net/parachute.jsp

Leonardo Da Vinci was proved right on Monday, June 26, 2000, some 500 years after he sketched the design for the world's first known parachute. A British man, Adrian Nicholas, dropped from a hot air balloon 3,000 meters (10,000 feet) above the ground, after ignoring expert advice that the canvas and wood contraption would not fly. Attempts to fully test the parachute in the UK earlier this year failed due problems of wind and safety near populated areas - it weighs a hefty 85 kilograms (187 pounds). But in the wide open spaces of Mpumalanga, South Africa, Mr. Nicholas safely floated down, saying the ride was smoother than with modern parachutes. Beautiful drop Heathcliff O'Malley, who photographed the drop from a helicopter, told BBC News Online: "It was amazing, really beautiful. But none of us knew if it would fold up and Adrian would plummet to Earth." He added: "It works, and everyone thought it wouldn't."

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1) immigration law SKETCH.
2) Leonardo da vinci SKETCH.
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1) 1986 they just sketch the perfect immigration law without technology management:

a) no biometric enforcement inside labor force. No computers at that time.

b) people with less than 5 years were not inside that law and still undocumented till today.

c) no enforcement ( boots on the ground and much technology ) around the borders around 23 years. Obama administration did the first steps for sure.

2) 1483, The original design PARACHUTE was sketched by Da Vinci in a notebook in 1483.

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening ...

Though credit for the invention of the first practical parachute usually goes to Sebastien Lenormand in 1783, Leonardo da Vinci actually conceived the parachute idea a few hundred years earlier 1483 (200 years before)

Da Vinci made a sketch of the invention with this accompanying description: "If a man have a tent made of linen of which the apertures (openings) have all been stopped up, and it be twelve braccia (about 23 feet) across and twelve in depth, he will be able to throw himself down from any great height without suffering any injury."

2013 is the time to make the right Amnesty with real enforcement, today we have everything they did not have in the past.

Imagine, Leonardo da Vinci did a Parachute sketch at 1483, and at that time not exist baloon or a airplane . but after 200 years later Mr. Sebastien Lenormand in 1783 made it possible.

God bless you, and a lot peace in our XXI CENTURY.

Thanks
DWG
DWG

Everett, MA

#278 Feb 16, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>I will go read them right now!!!
My pleasure talk to you Mr. teddyr4me

Mr. teddyr4me, pay attention please.

Now, how I saw you always had sketch of your law from many years ago, like Leonardo da Vince sketch his parachute in 1483.

Immigration Law and Leonardo da Vinci sofer for the same problem, no money, no real interest and not enough tecnology.

I am sure if Leonardo da Vinci had enough money at that time for sure his sketch should work fine at 1483. because just in 2000 :

"Test on 2000 by Adrian Nicholas

http://www.leonardodavinci.net/parachute.jsp

Leonardo Da Vinci was proved right on Monday, June 26, 2000, some 500 years after he sketched the design for the world's first known parachute. A British man, Adrian Nicholas, dropped from a hot air balloon 3,000 meters (10,000 feet) above the ground, after ignoring expert advice that the canvas and wood contraption would not fly. Attempts to fully test the parachute in the UK earlier this year failed due problems of wind and safety near populated areas - it weighs a hefty 85 kilograms (187 pounds). But in the wide open spaces of Mpumalanga, South Africa, Mr. Nicholas safely floated down, saying the ride was smoother than with modern parachutes. Beautiful drop Heathcliff O'Malley, who photographed the drop from a helicopter, told BBC News Online: "It was amazing, really beautiful. But none of us knew if it would fold up and Adrian would plummet to Earth." He added: "It works, and everyone thought it wouldn't."

.
.
1) immigration law SKETCH.
2) Leonardo da vinci SKETCH.
.
.

1) 1986 they just sketch the perfect immigration law without technology management:

a) no biometric enforcement inside labor force. No computers at that time.

b) people with less than 5 years were not inside that law and still undocumented till today.

c) no enforcement ( boots on the ground and much technology ) around the borders and just 23 years later Mr. Obama administration did the first steps for sure.

2) 1483, The original design PARACHUTE was sketched by Da Vinci in a notebook in 1483.

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening ...

Though credit for the invention of the first practical parachute usually goes to Sebastien Lenormand in 1783, Leonardo da Vinci actually conceived the parachute idea a few hundred years earlier 1483 (200 years before)

Da Vinci made a sketch of the invention with this accompanying description: "If a man have a tent made of linen of which the apertures (openings) have all been stopped up, and it be twelve braccia (about 23 feet) across and twelve in depth, he will be able to throw himself down from any great height without suffering any injury."

2013 is the time to make the right Amnesty with real enforcement, today we have everything they did not have in the past.

Imagine, Leonardo da Vinci did a Parachute sketch at 1483, and at that time not exist baloon or a airplane . but after 200 years later Mr. Sebastien Lenormand in 1783 made it possible.

God bless you, and a lot peace in our XXI CENTURY.

Thanks
DWG

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#279 Feb 16, 2013
DWG wrote:
<quoted text>
My pleasure talk to you Mr. teddyr4me
Mr. teddyr4me, pay attention please.
Now, how I saw you always had sketch of your law from many years ago, like Leonardo da Vince sketch his parachute in 1483.
Immigration Law and Leonardo da Vinci sofer for the same problem, no money, no real interest and not enough tecnology.
I am sure if Leonardo da Vinci had enough money at that time for sure his sketch should work fine at 1483. because just in 2000 :
"Test on 2000 by Adrian Nicholas
http://www.leonardodavinci.net/parachute.jsp
Leonardo Da Vinci was proved right on Monday, June 26, 2000, some 500 years after he sketched the design for the world's first known parachute. A British man, Adrian Nicholas, dropped from a hot air balloon 3,000 meters (10,000 feet) above the ground, after ignoring expert advice that the canvas and wood contraption would not fly. Attempts to fully test the parachute in the UK earlier this year failed due problems of wind and safety near populated areas - it weighs a hefty 85 kilograms (187 pounds). But in the wide open spaces of Mpumalanga, South Africa, Mr. Nicholas safely floated down, saying the ride was smoother than with modern parachutes. Beautiful drop Heathcliff O'Malley, who photographed the drop from a helicopter, told BBC News Online: "It was amazing, really beautiful. But none of us knew if it would fold up and Adrian would plummet to Earth." He added: "It works, and everyone thought it wouldn't."
.
.
1) immigration law SKETCH.
2) Leonardo da vinci SKETCH.
.
.
1) 1986 they just sketch the perfect immigration law without technology management:
a) no biometric enforcement inside labor force. No computers at that time.
b) people with less than 5 years were not inside that law and still undocumented till today.
c) no enforcement ( boots on the ground and much technology ) around the borders around 23 years. Obama administration did the first steps for sure.
2) 1483, The original design PARACHUTE was sketched by Da Vinci in a notebook in 1483.
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening ...
Though credit for the invention of the first practical parachute usually goes to Sebastien Lenormand in 1783, Leonardo da Vinci actually conceived the parachute idea a few hundred years earlier 1483 (200 years before)
Da Vinci made a sketch of the invention with this accompanying description: "If a man have a tent made of linen of which the apertures (openings) have all been stopped up, and it be twelve braccia (about 23 feet) across and twelve in depth, he will be able to throw himself down from any great height without suffering any injury."
2013 is the time to make the right Amnesty with real enforcement, today we have everything they did not have in the past.
Imagine, Leonardo da Vinci did a Parachute sketch at 1483, and at that time not exist baloon or a airplane . but after 200 years later Mr. Sebastien Lenormand in 1783 made it possible.
God bless you, and a lot peace in our XXI CENTURY.
Thanks
DWG
Um, it's Mrs.
DWG

Everett, MA

#280 Feb 16, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>Um, it's Mrs.
sorry Mrs.
DWG

Everett, MA

#281 Feb 16, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, we must have a foolproof identity system accessible for all employers. No excuses for hiring anybody illegal. No slap on the wrists for those who violate. Fines and penalties must always 1)erase any benefit accrued, 2) brutally fine to discourage any future infractions.
The proposals being floated don't do that. They don't even require mandatory E-Verify as the law of the land. That's why I oppose both of them and insist there is a better way to handle this issue that would benefit America and STOP future illegal immigration. We need to identify and document who is here illegally and settle that issue. Anybody who doesn't come forward is somebody who won't be able to work, receive public assistance or live in America comfortably at all, and ALL of those who don't apply and make the cut would be subject to deportation whenever we discover them. Not just criminals - everybody who didn't come forward is subject to expeditious removal.
We can stop this, but there must be a will in Congress, and business influence must be diminished. I don't think any of it is easy, but I will not support what is currently being proposed. It can only lead to more illegal immigration and more harm to legal immigrants and American workers as well as increased costs to American taxpayers.
You do not understand yet what is happen in your world, the point here is:

1) Immigration reform will be the same Bill from 1986, they only not leave anybody out legalization, because they beleive it will be the last amnesty in USA.

2) you do not have to sketch your owe proposal, it is very simple. The hard side is political, Republicans X Democrats.

3) You can have your personal position about foreign in your land, but it is about majoritary matters, not for you single guy.

4) if immigration bill not pass Mr. Obama can adjust status of overstay visa population, like we have scheduled for March adjustement status for many cross borders (undocumented guys married with a citizens)
.
.
.

......" Under current law, immediate relatives of U.S. citizens who are not eligible to adjust status in the United States to become lawful permanent residents must leave the U.S. and obtain an immigrant visa abroad. Individuals who have accrued more than six months of unlawful presence while in the United States must obtain a waiver to overcome the unlawful presence inadmissibility bar before they can return to the United States after departing to obtain an immigrant visa. Under the existing waiver process, which remains available to those who do not qualify for the new process, immediate relatives cannot file a waiver application until after they have appeared for an immigrant visa interview abroad and the Department of State has determined that they are inadmissible......"
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How you see dreamers will get a legal status, undocumented who cross borders married a citizens get a legal status, overstay visas will get a legal status.

The real question is 2012 election speak for USA, and the fact is Congress have the opportunity to pass the bill

Do you like this legal process ( bill trough congress ) or not ?

thanks
dwg
DWG

Everett, MA

#282 Feb 16, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, we must have a foolproof identity system accessible for all employers. No excuses for hiring anybody illegal. No slap on the wrists for those who violate. Fines and penalties must always 1)erase any benefit accrued, 2) brutally fine to discourage any future infractions.
The proposals being floated don't do that. They don't even require mandatory E-Verify as the law of the land. That's why I oppose both of them and insist there is a better way to handle this issue that would benefit America and STOP future illegal immigration. We need to identify and document who is here illegally and settle that issue. Anybody who doesn't come forward is somebody who won't be able to work, receive public assistance or live in America comfortably at all, and ALL of those who don't apply and make the cut would be subject to deportation whenever we discover them. Not just criminals - everybody who didn't come forward is subject to expeditious removal.
We can stop this, but there must be a will in Congress, and business influence must be diminished. I don't think any of it is easy, but I will not support what is currently being proposed. It can only lead to more illegal immigration and more harm to legal immigrants and American workers as well as increased costs to American taxpayers.
You do not understand yet what is happen in your world, the point here is:

1) Immigration reform will be the same Bill from 1986, they only not leave anybody out legalization, because they beleive it will be the last amnesty in USA.

2) you do not have to sketch your owe proposal, it is very simple. The hard side is political, Republicans X Democrats.

3) You can have your personal position about foreign in your land, but it is about majoritary matters, not for you single guy.

4) if immigration bill not pass Mr. Obama can adjust status of overstay visa population by executive order, and like we have scheduled for March adjustement status for many cross borders (undocumented guys married with a citizens)

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuit...

....."WASHINGTON— Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano today announced the posting of a final rule in the Federal Register that reduces the time U.S. citizens are separated from their immediate relatives (spouse, children and parents), who are in the process of obtaining visas to become lawful permanent residents of the United States under certain circumstances. The final rule establishes a process that allows certain individuals to apply for a provisional unlawful presence waiver before they depart the United States to attend immigrant visa interviews in their countries of origin. The process will be effective on March 4, 2013 and more information about the filing process will be made available in the coming weeks at www.uscis.gov .

“This final rule facilitates the legal immigration process and reduces the amount of time that U.S. citizens are separated from their immediate relatives who are in the process of obtaining an immigrant visa,” said Secretary Napolitano.

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) received more than 4,000 comments in response to the April 2, 2012 proposed rule and considered all of them in preparing the final rule.

“The law is designed to avoid extreme hardship to U.S. citizens, which is precisely what this rule achieves,” USCIS Director Mayorkas said.“The change will have a significant impact on American families by greatly reducing the time family members are separated from those they rely upon.”........"

How you see dreamers get a legal status last year.

The real question is 2012 election speak for USA, and the fact is Congress have the opportunity to pass the bill

Do you like this legal process ( congress ) or not ?

thanks
dwgn
DWG

Everett, MA

#283 Feb 16, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, we must have a foolproof identity system accessible for all employers. No excuses for hiring anybody illegal. No slap on the wrists for those who violate. Fines and penalties must always 1)erase any benefit accrued, 2) brutally fine to discourage any future infractions.
The proposals being floated don't do that. They don't even require mandatory E-Verify as the law of the land. That's why I oppose both of them and insist there is a better way to handle this issue that would benefit America and STOP future illegal immigration. We need to identify and document who is here illegally and settle that issue. Anybody who doesn't come forward is somebody who won't be able to work, receive public assistance or live in America comfortably at all, and ALL of those who don't apply and make the cut would be subject to deportation whenever we discover them. Not just criminals - everybody who didn't come forward is subject to expeditious removal.
We can stop this, but there must be a will in Congress, and business influence must be diminished. I don't think any of it is easy, but I will not support what is currently being proposed. It can only lead to more illegal immigration and more harm to legal immigrants and American workers as well as increased costs to American taxpayers.
You do not understand yet what is happen in your world, the point here is:

1) Immigration reform will be the same Bill from 1986, they only not leave anybody out legalization, because they beleive it will be the last amnesty in USA.

2) you do not have to sketch your owe proposal, it is very simple. The hard side is political, Republicans X Democrats.

3) You can have your personal position about foreign in your land, but it is about majoritary matters, not for you single guy.

4) if immigration bill not pass Mr. Obama can adjust status of overstay visa population by executive order, and like we have scheduled for March adjustement status for many cross borders (undocumented guys married with a citizens)

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuit...

....."WASHINGTON— Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano today announced the posting of a final rule in the Federal Register that reduces the time U.S. citizens are separated from their immediate relatives (spouse, children and parents), who are in the process of obtaining visas to become lawful permanent residents of the United States under certain circumstances. The final rule establishes a process that allows certain individuals to apply for a provisional unlawful presence waiver before they depart the United States to attend immigrant visa interviews in their countries of origin. The process will be effective on March 4, 2013 and more information about the filing process will be made available in the coming weeks at www.uscis.gov .

“This final rule facilitates the legal immigration process and reduces the amount of time that U.S. citizens are separated from their immediate relatives who are in the process of obtaining an immigrant visa,” said Secretary Napolitano.

....."

How you see dreamers get a legal status last year.

The real question is 2012 election speak for USA, and the fact is Congress have the opportunity to pass the bill

Do you like this legal process ( congress ) or not ?

thanks
dwgn

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#284 Feb 16, 2013
DWG wrote:
<quoted text>
You do not understand yet what is happen in your world, the point here is:
1) Immigration reform will be the same Bill from 1986, they only not leave anybody out legalization, because they beleive it will be the last amnesty in USA.
2) you do not have to sketch your owe proposal, it is very simple. The hard side is political, Republicans X Democrats.
3) You can have your personal position about foreign in your land, but it is about majoritary matters, not for you single guy.
4) if immigration bill not pass Mr. Obama can adjust status of overstay visa population, like we have scheduled for March adjustement status for many cross borders (undocumented guys married with a citizens)
.
.
.
......" Under current law, immediate relatives of U.S. citizens who are not eligible to adjust status in the United States to become lawful permanent residents must leave the U.S. and obtain an immigrant visa abroad. Individuals who have accrued more than six months of unlawful presence while in the United States must obtain a waiver to overcome the unlawful presence inadmissibility bar before they can return to the United States after departing to obtain an immigrant visa. Under the existing waiver process, which remains available to those who do not qualify for the new process, immediate relatives cannot file a waiver application until after they have appeared for an immigrant visa interview abroad and the Department of State has determined that they are inadmissible......"
.
.
.
.
How you see dreamers will get a legal status, undocumented who cross borders married a citizens get a legal status, overstay visas will get a legal status.
The real question is 2012 election speak for USA, and the fact is Congress have the opportunity to pass the bill
Do you like this legal process ( bill trough congress ) or not ?
thanks
dwg
No, I don't like this process because I don't like the options being discussed.

No, YOU miss the point. The point of this particular thread is not about what you think Congress is going to do. It is about having OTHER ideas and using those ideas to contact your representatives and tell them that you think they've got it wrong. There is a better way. THAT is the purpose of this thread, and if you don't like it, why bother repeatedly spamming the same old things over and over again?

Does it disturb you that anybody would reject amnesty with pathway to citizenship and instead recommend a different kind of approach? If it was impossible, it wouldn't make sense to others here, and yet, DWG, it does make sense to quite a few posters who take the time to read the FIRST FOUR POSTS in this thread. Now, I've heard your perspective repeatedly. What would make THIS proposal better? That's what this thread is about. Thank you.
Rico Retardo

Kansas City, MO

#285 Feb 16, 2013
Hey, this place sux!

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#286 Feb 16, 2013
Rico Retardo wrote:
Hey, this place sux!
Hello, Little Eagle. Why is it that you and your pals are so reluctant to consider anything other than "deport them all" - especially when you know that will never happen - never ever going to happen?

You really should be ashamed of your sheer stupidity, but you aren't. About all you're capable of doing is gray boxing it and clicking on judge-it icons. That says so much about how little you have to offer toward a solution aside from bitterness and discontent. Expect to find yourselves even more discontented and angry going forward. I'd prefer to keep working toward a solution that's better for Americans and legal immigrants. You can do what you do best: nothing.
PUpPeT bOy

Tultitlán, Mexico

#287 Feb 16, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Hello, Little Eagle. Why is it that you and your pals are so reluctant to consider anything other than "deport them all" - especially when you know that will never happen - never ever going to happen?
You really should be ashamed of your sheer stupidity, but you aren't. About all you're capable of doing is gray boxing it and clicking on judge-it icons. That says so much about how little you have to offer toward a solution aside from bitterness and discontent. Expect to find yourselves even more discontented and angry going forward. I'd prefer to keep working toward a solution that's better for Americans and legal immigrants. You can do what you do best: nothing.
Thanx for yor help, NPR. Hehe...You all will see, we are getting a group together and yes we are in Mexico...and yes we will hunt down americans....and yes there will be blood...and yes you will get pissed....and yes we won't stop...enough said...next headline might be a group of americans dead...and found on a river.

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#289 Feb 16, 2013
PUpPeT bOy wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanx for yor help, NPR. Hehe...You all will see, we are getting a group together and yes we are in Mexico...and yes we will hunt down americans....and yes there will be blood...and yes you will get pissed....and yes we won't stop...enough said...next headline might be a group of americans dead...and found on a river.
And, WHO would call me NPR but the Ghost Rider band of idiots? Nobody. You are what you are. Worthless as teats on a bore hog.
Quirky The Eye

Denver, CO

#290 Feb 16, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>And, WHO would call me NPR but the Ghost Rider band of idiots? Nobody. You are what you are. Worthless as teats on a bore hog.
Lol ! Are you on the rag again, Rose ??
Quirky

Denver, CO

#291 Feb 16, 2013
Quirky The Eye wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol ! Are you on the rag again, Rose ??
Nice spoofe Rico!!
DWG

Everett, MA

#292 Feb 16, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>No, I don't like this process because I don't like the options being discussed.

No, YOU miss the point. The point of this particular thread is not about what you think Congress is going to do. It is about having OTHER ideas and using those ideas to contact your representatives and tell them that you think they've got it wrong. There is a better way. THAT is the purpose of this thread,...
DWG WROTE: electiion is over, Mr. Romney sugest auto-deportation. It happens with e-verify program and many deal inside each state to enforce their law like Arizona law.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text> and if you don't like it, why bother repeatedly spamming the same old things over and over again?
DWG WROTE: it is not the same , sometimes i miss something and it force me to send again one time this Topix Website note modernize or improve it for re-edit , SORRY if it BOTHER YOU REPEATEDLY, one time you like read and write, and know the best post to read can be the last one.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Does it disturb you that anybody would reject amnesty with pathway to citizenship and instead recommend a different kind of approach?
DWG WROTE:my point here is, we have to make a very loud sounds of Amnesty, to wake everybody that 2012 election is over, and this soverign nation have democracy and Republicans right now need to work for our country not just for a few people inside the party.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>If it was impossible, it wouldn't make sense to others here, and yet, DWG, it does make sense to quite a few posters who take the time to read the FIRST FOUR POSTS in this thread. Now, I've heard your perspective repeatedly. What would make THIS proposal better? That's what this thread is about. Thank you.
DWG WROTE: Once the proposal is not mine and yours, will be fine, American people already showed their power at 2012 election and people like you do not admit the fact that:

1) 47% of voter need respect ( Romney said they are countless ).

2) Second term of black man in the presidential office.

3) and many others resons we had watched during the 2012 campaign in USA.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>If it was impossible, it wouldn't make sense to others here, and yet.
DWG WROTE :2013 immigration reform with amnesty would make sense to others here if could you explain the weak technology at 1986 that not help manage that last Amnesty ?

1986 amnesty just make everything worst specially about drug war with a proliferation of quimical dependence into many young american during the course of 27 years of open doors ( south borders)

1986 amnesty was warranty once if they have the follow requirements:

a-made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants.

b-legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants.

c-legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982

only About three million illegal immigrants were granted legal status, and millions still undocumented here.

DWG WROTE : Again , explain please why 2013 immigration reform with amnesty would make sense to others here , if could you explain the weak technology at 1986 that not help manage that last Amnesty ?

Thanks
DWG

GOD BLESS YOU :-)
DWG

Everett, MA

#293 Feb 16, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>No, I don't like this process because I don't like the options being discussed.

No, YOU miss the point. The point of this particular thread is not about what you think Congress is going to do. It is about having OTHER ideas and using those ideas to contact your representatives and tell them that you think they've got it wrong. There is a better way. THAT is the purpose of this thread,...
DWG WROTE: electiion is over, Mr. Romney sugest auto-deportation. It happens with e-verify program and many deal inside each state to enforce their law like Arizona law.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text> and if you don't like it, why bother repeatedly spamming the same old things over and over again?
DWG WROTE: it is not the same , sometimes i miss something and it force me to send again one time this Topix Website note modernize or improve it for re-edit , SORRY if it BOTHER YOU REPEATEDLY, one time you like read and write, and know the best post to read can be the last one.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Does it disturb you that anybody would reject amnesty with pathway to citizenship and instead recommend a different kind of approach?
DWG WROTE:my point here is, we have to make a very loud sounds of Amnesty, to wake everybody that 2012 election is over, and this soverign nation have democracy and Republicans right now need to work for our country not just for a few people inside the party.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>If it was impossible, it wouldn't make sense to others here, and yet, DWG, it does make sense to quite a few posters who take the time to read the FIRST FOUR POSTS in this thread. Now, I've heard your perspective repeatedly. What would make THIS proposal better? That's what this thread is about. Thank you.
DWG WROTE: Once the proposal is not mine and yours, will be fine, American people already showed their power at 2012 election and people like you do not admit the fact that:

1) 47% of voter need respect ( Romney said they are countless ).

2) Second term of black man in the presidential office.

3) and many others resons we had watched during the 2012 campaign in USA.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>If it was impossible, it wouldn't make sense to others here, and yet.
DWG WROTE :2013 immigration reform with amnesty would make sense to others here if could you explain the weak technology at 1986 that not help manage that last Amnesty ?

1986 amnesty just make everything worst specially about drug war with a proliferation of quimical dependence into many young american during the course of 27 years of open doors ( south borders)

Requirements of 1986 amnesty:

a-made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants.

b-legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants.

c-legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982

Note: only About three million illegal immigrants were granted legal status, and millions still undocumented here.

DWG WROTE : Again , explain please why 2013 immigration reform with amnesty would make sense to others here , if could you explain now the weak technology at 1986 that not help manage that last Amnesty ?

Note: remember 2000 biometric visa system.

Thanks
DWG

GOD BLESS YOU :-)
DWG

Everett, MA

#295 Feb 16, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>No, I don't like this process because I don't like the options being discussed.

No, YOU miss the point. The point of this particular thread is not about what you think Congress is going to do. It is about having OTHER ideas and using those ideas to contact your representatives and tell them that you think they've got it wrong. There is a better way. THAT is the purpose of this thread,...
DWG WROTE: electiion is over, Mr. Romney sugest auto-deportation. It happens with e-verify program and many deal inside each state to enforce their law like Arizona law.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text> and if you don't like it, why bother repeatedly spamming the same old things over and over again?
DWG WROTE: it is not the same , sometimes i miss something and it force me to send again one time this Topix Website not modernize or improve it for re-edit , SORRY if it BOTHER YOU REPEATEDLY, one time you like read and write, and know the best post to read can be the last one.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Does it disturb you that anybody would reject amnesty with pathway to citizenship and instead recommend a different kind of approach?
DWG WROTE:my point here is, we have to make a very loud sounds of Amnesty, to wake everybody that 2012 election is over, and this soverign nation have democracy and Republicans right now need to work for our country not just for a few people inside the party.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>If it was impossible, it wouldn't make sense to others here, and yet, DWG, it does make sense to quite a few posters who take the time to read the FIRST FOUR POSTS in this thread. Now, I've heard your perspective repeatedly. What would make THIS proposal better? That's what this thread is about. Thank you.
DWG WROTE: Once the proposal is not mine and yours, will be fine, American people already showed their power at 2012 election and people like you do not admit the fact that:

1) 47% of voter need respect ( Romney said they are countless ).

2) Second term of black man in the presidential office.

3) and many others resons we had watched during the 2012 campaign in USA.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>If it was impossible, it wouldn't make sense to others here, and yet.
*****DWG WROTE : Again , I will explain why 2013 immigration reform with amnesty would make sense to others here , if you could explain now the weak technology at 1986 that not help manage that last Amnesty , right ?

Note: remember 2000 biometric visa system.

Dwg

1986 amnesty just make everything worst specially about drug war with a proliferation of quimical dependence into many young american during the course of 27 years of open doors ( south borders)

Requirements of 1986 amnesty:

a-made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants.

b-legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants.

c-legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982

Note: only About three million illegal immigrants were granted legal status, and millions still undocumented here.

*****DWG WROTE : Again , I will explain why 2013 immigration reform with amnesty would make sense to others here , if you could explain now the weak technology at 1986 that not help manage that last Amnesty , right ?

Note: remember 2000 biometric visa system.

Dwg

Thanks
DWG

GOD BLESS YOU :-)

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