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“Peace”

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#228 Feb 8, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
If amnesty is passed there will be millions of jobs for bilingual Americans to process applications, investigate, administrate and spread bureaucracy. All paid for with American tax dollars.
That will be offset by the influx of more illegals looking to fill jobs vacated by the now legal illegals and so it goes.
The problem with your logic is that once you don't suceed you should never try again. Thus insuring failure. You are of the can't type of thinking which never has and never will.
America didn't become great accepting failure and it shouldn't do so now with immigration problems.
What I hear you saying is that you are afraid that no matter what we do it will fail and our economic future will go down with it. I don't accept that kind of thinking. To me each failure is a learned experience. Which we can build on to plug up those openings we didn't see before or fix situations we didn't take into account before.
That's what I'm seeing happening with what legislation has come up with so far.

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#229 Feb 8, 2013
Sorry for the double post.

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#230 Feb 8, 2013
6) All temporary guest workers will have payroll taxes deducted and income reported. Social Security contributions will be held in a separate interest bearing account to be returned to the TGW at voluntary departure from the program and upon exit from the country, or at termination of the program.

TGWs must be paid at least minimum wage, be entitled to all legal protections afforded all workers, and they are eligible to participate in employer sponsored benefits afforded all other employees.

Any TGW who resigns his/her job, or is terminated due to job force reduction, will be afforded 90 days in which to become reemployed, or he/she will be terminated from the program and his/her driver's license will be electronically revoked.

The foreign born children of TGW will be admitted to public schools without penalty and are eligible to participate in school lunch programs afforded low income families (if applicable). They are not entitled to food stamps or Medicaid.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...
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This section gets a little more complicated than a few of the others, at least to me.

I like the idea that their income has to be reported.

That makes sure that they are at least receiving minimum wage which would reduce the impact the guest workers would have on suppressing the wages of the overall workforce and prevents unscrupulous employers from taking advantage of them by paying less than a legal wage.

I also like the idea that they don't get their social security contributions until they return to their home country. Either voluntarily or through deportation.

I wonder if there should be a requirement that if they lose their guest worker status as the result of criminal activity that they should lose those contributions altogether?

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#231 Feb 8, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
6) All temporary guest workers will have payroll taxes deducted and income reported. Social Security contributions will be held in a separate interest bearing account to be returned to the TGW at voluntary departure from the program and upon exit from the country, or at termination of the program.
TGWs must be paid at least minimum wage, be entitled to all legal protections afforded all workers, and they are eligible to participate in employer sponsored benefits afforded all other employees.
Any TGW who resigns his/her job, or is terminated due to job force reduction, will be afforded 90 days in which to become reemployed, or he/she will be terminated from the program and his/her driver's license will be electronically revoked.
The foreign born children of TGW will be admitted to public schools without penalty and are eligible to participate in school lunch programs afforded low income families (if applicable). They are not entitled to food stamps or Medicaid.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...
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This section gets a little more complicated than a few of the others, at least to me.
I like the idea that their income has to be reported.
That makes sure that they are at least receiving minimum wage which would reduce the impact the guest workers would have on suppressing the wages of the overall workforce and prevents unscrupulous employers from taking advantage of them by paying less than a legal wage.
I also like the idea that they don't get their social security contributions until they return to their home country. Either voluntarily or through deportation.
I wonder if there should be a requirement that if they lose their guest worker status as the result of criminal activity that they should lose those contributions altogether?
I haven't thought that all the way through, but I do think they must make the same contribution from their paychecks that Americans do - thus the interest bearing withholding. The idea being that if you decide you do wish to apply for citizenship, you take your contributions back home, hold onto them and if you are readmitted legally for a pathway, you can reinvest your social security contributions and catch up from there in order to receive a pension. Otherwise, if you decide living by the same standards Americans struggle to handle isn't for you, you can take your contributions and go home with savings you funded. Beats a blank.

Now, in the case of somebody convicted of a felony that we are obligated to imprison, why not let those social security contributions go toward that cost? Makes sense to me. Then, they can be released to DHS for expeditious deportation with no cash subsidy;-)
DWG

Everett, MA

#232 Feb 8, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>That isn't really the point of this thread. Again, CIR is on the front burner again, and once again, it looks like it did before with a broad blanket amnesty being afforded all who sign on aside from criminals. Now, in the months ahead, if there seems to be enough momentum to pass legislation, we can expect a renewed influx of illegals since neither proposal makes any distinctions from those who cross back and forth, those who exist on welfare subsidy for their American born children, those who work for the cash payday and/or on the books and keep American workers from finding jobs because they are paid such low wages. That issue is the entire point of the proposal at the beginning of this thread.
Can we find a way to settle this issue that is BETTER for American workers and American taxpayers and that affords legal status only for those who work and pay taxes and contribute? Must we also take on the burden of those who don't contribute but merely deprive us of tax revenues for the benefit of businesses who employ them?
If you have a better way, please detail your thoughts. If you don't like the proposal, say what is objectionable versus what the Senate Committee and The Administration have proposed.
I'd like to open up jobs for American workers who have been shut out. Therefore, I believe we can and we should make distinctions. I understand that some people want them all deported, and that is never going to happen. Must we amnesty everybody who arrives by the amnesty date? Do they deserve a "pathway to citizenship"? If we give them that, how many more will overstay a visa or find their ways across the border hoping for the same deal?
The bottom line is that time is short to have any influence at all in the legislation that is in the process of being drafted. Whatever your position is, now is the time to write your reps and tell them what you think and what you want to see happen.
NTRPRNR1 WROTE:

....."The bottom line is that time is short to have any influence at all in the legislation that is in the process of being drafted. Whatever your position is, now is the time to write your reps and tell them what you think and what you want to see happen...."

Again your are wrong, and still abuse your intelligence to favor yours ambition.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

"..time is short to have any influence..."

DWG wrote:

*** you lost a lot time at the past to say " DEPORT ALL THEM , ALL 11 million undocumented " . And the elections 2012 show you different path, american people wanna a resonable condition for those already here, american condition.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

..."Whatever your position is, now is the time to write your reps and tell them what you think and what you want to see happen...."

DWG wrote: Time to reps do their home work, or face 2014 election, everybody is tired on inction, Republican inaction.

thanks
dwg
DWG

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#233 Feb 8, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>That isn't really the point of this thread. Again, CIR is on the front burner again, and once again, it looks like it did before with a broad blanket amnesty being afforded all who sign on aside from criminals. Now, in the months ahead, if there seems to be enough momentum to pass legislation, we can expect a renewed influx of illegals since neither proposal makes any distinctions from those who cross back and forth, those who exist on welfare subsidy for their American born children, those who work for the cash payday and/or on the books and keep American workers from finding jobs because they are paid such low wages. That issue is the entire point of the proposal at the beginning of this thread.
Can we find a way to settle this issue that is BETTER for American workers and American taxpayers and that affords legal status only for those who work and pay taxes and contribute? Must we also take on the burden of those who don't contribute but merely deprive us of tax revenues for the benefit of businesses who employ them?
If you have a better way, please detail your thoughts. If you don't like the proposal, say what is objectionable versus what the Senate Committee and The Administration have proposed.
I'd like to open up jobs for American workers who have been shut out. Therefore, I believe we can and we should make distinctions. I understand that some people want them all deported, and that is never going to happen. Must we amnesty everybody who arrives by the amnesty date? Do they deserve a "pathway to citizenship"? If we give them that, how many more will overstay a visa or find their ways across the border hoping for the same deal?
The bottom line is that time is short to have any influence at all in the legislation that is in the process of being drafted. Whatever your position is, now is the time to write your reps and tell them what you think and what you want to see happen.
NTRPRNR1 WROTE:

....."The bottom line is that time is short to have any influence at all in the legislation that is in the process of being drafted. Whatever your position is, now is the time to write your reps and tell them what you think and what you want to see happen...."

DWG WROTE:
Again your are wrong, and still abuse your intelligence to favor yours ambition.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

"..time is short to have any influence..."

DWG wrote:

*** you lost a lot time at the past to say " DEPORT ALL THEM , ALL 11 million undocumented " . And the elections 2012 show you different path, american people wanna a resonable condition for those already here, american condition.

NTRPRNR1 wrote:

..."Whatever your position is, now is the time to write your reps and tell them what you think and what you want to see happen...."

DWG wrote: Time to reps do their home work, or face 2014 election, everybody is tired on inction, Republican inaction.

thanks
dwg

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#234 Feb 8, 2013
DWG wrote:
<quoted text>
NTRPRNR1 WROTE:
....."The bottom line is that time is short to have any influence at all in the legislation that is in the process of being drafted. Whatever your position is, now is the time to write your reps and tell them what you think and what you want to see happen...."
DWG WROTE:
Again your are wrong, and still abuse your intelligence to favor yours ambition.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
"..time is short to have any influence..."
DWG wrote:
*** you lost a lot time at the past to say " DEPORT ALL THEM , ALL 11 million undocumented " . And the elections 2012 show you different path, american people wanna a resonable condition for those already here, american condition.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
..."Whatever your position is, now is the time to write your reps and tell them what you think and what you want to see happen...."
DWG wrote: Time to reps do their home work, or face 2014 election, everybody is tired on inction, Republican inaction.
thanks
dwg
In 1987-88, I thought new illegals should be deported. It didn't happen. I haven't wasted ANY time here believing they should all be deported. You and I will never see eye to eye because I am more concerned about America and Americans and your focus is squarely on making illegals citizens so they will eventually suck us dry. See, that's the difference. I favor allowing some to become TGW and stay and work if that's what they want, but I don't think they deserve citizenship except for the children they brought who had no choice. I will support the dream act. I don't support pathway to citizenship for people who somehow think they're better than the millions of other folks around the world who paid their dues and waited their turns to immigrate. End of discussion.

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#235 Feb 8, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I haven't thought that all the way through, but I do think they must make the same contribution from their paychecks that Americans do - thus the interest bearing withholding. The idea being that if you decide you do wish to apply for citizenship, you take your contributions back home, hold onto them and if you are readmitted legally for a pathway, you can reinvest your social security contributions and catch up from there in order to receive a pension. Otherwise, if you decide living by the same standards Americans struggle to handle isn't for you, you can take your contributions and go home with savings you funded. Beats a blank.
Now, in the case of somebody convicted of a felony that we are obligated to imprison, why not let those social security contributions go toward that cost? Makes sense to me. Then, they can be released to DHS for expeditious deportation with no cash subsidy;-)
If I understand you right, I agree. If they lose their guest worker status because of criminal activity I think they should lose the contributions they have made to social security.

So, if the guest worker does decide to apply for citizenship at some point they are required to return to their home country first?

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#236 Feb 8, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
If I understand you right, I agree. If they lose their guest worker status because of criminal activity I think they should lose the contributions they have made to social security.
So, if the guest worker does decide to apply for citizenship at some point they are required to return to their home country first?
Yes. I think that's what we need to make clear to others considering illegal entry. You will NEVER become a U.S. citizen with the privileges or support system provided American citizens if you enter illegally. That is what we did wrong in 1986. We entitled those folks to the privileges which citizens have. If we get this wrong again, the newest legalized will eventually join the unemployed Americans as a new batch of arrivals takes their jobs too - just like happened to the folks who were amnestied in 1986.
DWG

Everett, MA

#237 Feb 9, 2013
NTRPRNR1 Wrote:..." but I don't think they deserve citizenship except for the children they brought who had no choice. I will support the dream act....."

Dwg wrote : Republicans are supporting Dream act.

"GOP Majority Leader Eric Cantor opens his mind to DREAM path to citizenship
Cantor now backs the principle behind the immigration measure, and pledged to have his party work with President Obama on education and health care reform."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cant...

NTRPRNR1 Wrote:...." they're better than the millions of other folks around the world...."

DWG Wrote: yes, they are. And here are the reasons:

A) they come here without nothing and they started a new life.

B) they grew up their kids to serve this country.

C) they love this place to accept them how they are.
D) Their community are so proud of them

E) Family is important for them, and it is all about in america.

F) American already love the ideia to keep them and place them for better.

NTRPRNR1 Wrote:...."millions of other folks around the world who paid their dues and waited their turns to immigrate....."

DWG WRote:

A) no line to broke in this case, because 2013 is not 1986, today we have computers and people to process this in short time.

B) Their schedulle to migrate will be followed, and not delays for them, maybe their process will be more quicly after amnesty, it will be a fair situation.

NTRPRNR1 Wrote:

.."You and I will never see eye to eye because I am more concerned about America and Americans and your focus is squarely on making illegals citizens...."

A) you are very smart "NTRPRNR1" that is why is my pleasure speak with you.

B) american need more people like you, your bases are so stronger on details.

C) like you said " you and I will never see eye to eye", but we feel how important is to protect american history.

D) I am sorry, but the reality is, america is a country with a huge borders with a broken system, and the bigger winner are all the companies who invited undocumented guys to come here and work, around 27 years and more (1986-2013)

NTRPRNR1 Wrote:...." End of discussion...."

DWG Wrote:

A) I am appreciating always the opportunity to speak with you.

B) we know this issue (CIR) is about people and country ( USA )

" broken immigration system with 11 million undocumented people in the country, it is like a eagle with a hurt wings, it will take time to cure and this time will cost money, and for sure if we care about this bird, for sure it will be flying again..........DISPATCHER WALTER GARBE "

"we do not have your eyes but you soul ,.......DWG"

THANKS
DWG

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

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#241 Feb 11, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Twink, "pathway" is NOT about Mexico. It's a GLOBAL message we must send. There are people around the world thinking about just coming on over instead of waiting for permission to enter. What would pathway to citizenship signal to those people? After all, that part of illegals comprises about 40% of those who enter on a legal visa and then just never leave again. Of all illegals, THEY are the ones from far away lands who have no intention of making a buck and going home. They usually come to make a new home here. They certainly don't go back and forth because of the fact their visas are no longer valid.
Now, if you're in Europe or Asia and wanting to immigrate, and you're in a hold pattern to get in, why not just come on over, because obviously American would have telegraphed two times in a very big way that it's A-OKAY, and they'll get your on the same path to citizenship you would have gotten while waiting cooling your heels at home? So, I definitely see TGW and "no pathway" to be significant parts of any plan.
Beyond that, no employer should be permitted to retain ANY profit at all that they accrued over the tenure of their illegal workers. They should be stripped of all of it and then fined brutally as well. With a TGW conversion program, we would know how many illegals are already employed at a company. While we would be giving them a "pass" one time only, that really should be a caution and red flag for government to watch those folks going forward.
I comprehend what you are saying, however, I posted the article because so many times over the years I have told people that many of those from Mexico did not want citizenship. Many of them are building their retirement homes in Mexico with the money earned illegally in the USA. They have family there that they have been taking financial care of for years and want to go back to live out their retirement years with them.
I am not advocating a pathway to citizenship. Of course what I do or do not advocate will not be considered by those who are in power unless enough citizens stand together against giving citizenship to those here illegally.
DWG

Everett, MA

#242 Feb 11, 2013
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
<quoted text>
I comprehend what you are saying, however, I posted the article because so many times over the years I have told people that many of those from Mexico did not want citizenship. Many of them are building their retirement homes in Mexico with the money earned illegally in the USA. They have family there that they have been taking financial care of for years and want to go back to live out their retirement years with them.
I am not advocating a pathway to citizenship. Of course what I do or do not advocate will not be considered by those who are in power unless enough citizens stand together against giving citizenship to those here illegally.
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote :..." Of course what I do or do not advocate will not be considered by those who are in power unless enough citizens stand together against giving citizenship to those here illegally...."

DWG Wrote: how I noted you learn about the words " AMNESTY with Enforcement ", and I noted long the years that you are human, Single human.

"... enough citizens stand together .....non complacent wrote."

Thanks
Dwg
DWG

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#243 Feb 11, 2013
Each person in america has his or her single dream, here is about dream for our short life......please let our people dream america.....Dwg

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#244 Feb 11, 2013
DWG wrote:
Each person in america has his or her single dream, here is about dream for our short life......please let our people dream america.....Dwg
Who are your people? Are you illegally present, or are you a citizen?

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#246 Feb 11, 2013
spud wrote:
These crazy plans are all impossible to implement. Imagine the size of the bureaucracy that would have to be created to identify 20 million IAs, background check them, health check them, determine their age and how long they have been here, check their employment status, determine how much back taxes they owe then collect it, determine how much they should be fined then collect it, then formulate some kind of justification to explain to legal immigration applicants how it's fair that illegal aliens will get preferential treatment. And lets face facts, the illegal aliens that know they have a problem with any of the disqualifying criteria will simply go underground. The scum aren't going to throw their hands up in the air and say " Wow, you really got me now". So the bad ones will remain status quo and the government won't really care about them once the bill is passed, the newly created bureaucracy will spend all its time spinning success stories to justify its existence and all the magnets that attract illegal aliens will still be in place.
Once the population of illegal workers who CONTRIBUTE to the bottom line is identified and documented, and especially when accountability (mandatory E-Verify as the law of the land)takes hold, nobody CARES about the rest of them who use, abuse and work for cash - except for family members. The government doesn't care, and business doesn't care. Therefore, we can cut the number of illegals to deport in half. And, that makes the end game twice as quick to happen. It's conceivable that we could have illegals out in little more than a decade - especially once it's clear that EVERYBODY who didn't convert to TGW status is subject to being deported - not just criminals.

In case you're going to point out yet again that there are probably 20 million illegals here, well, it will take us longer to get them out - unless a legal doorway opens down the road to afford easier entry to legal immigrants. Then, they probably will self-deport and get in a line somewhere;-) At any rate, the government estimates are undoubtedly based on two factors: 1) illegal workers on the books with illegal social security numbers, and 2) illegals who receive welfare services for their children.

What this means is that the other "hidden" 8-10 million illegals won't qualify to stay based on the proposal at the beginning of this thread. You had to have been present FIVE years or longer and continuously employed and filing a tax return.(I know, I know. It gripes you since you probably consider them to be the most criminal of illegals (;-)), BUT they haven't been working for cash in a booming underground economy or living off welfare or criminal enterprise. So, they really are the best of the illegal population. They probably do have family here in America as well.
DWG

Everett, MA

#247 Feb 11, 2013
DWG wrote:
Each person in america has his or her single dream, here is about dream for our short life......please let our people dream america.....Dwg
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Who are your people? Are you illegally present, or are you a citizen?
Here is who I am !

http://www.stencilrevolution.com/photopost/20...

Thanks

DWG

NOTE: our short life, this the truth if you are american, african , asian, arabian, latin, etc.
DWG

Everett, MA

#248 Feb 11, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Who are your people? Are you illegally present, or are you a citizen?
I forgot, like I saw you agree with me.

Thanks
DWG

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#249 Feb 11, 2013
DWG wrote:
<quoted text>
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote :..." Of course what I do or do not advocate will not be considered by those who are in power unless enough citizens stand together against giving citizenship to those here illegally...."
DWG Wrote: how I noted you learn about the words " AMNESTY with Enforcement ", and I noted long the years that you are human, Single human.
"... enough citizens stand together .....non complacent wrote."
Thanks
Dwg
Walter, you and I have never agreed. You advocate a blanket amnesty using God, Compassion, pity, etc. as the reasons and you leave out the fact that there are laws in place that are being broken by those you advocate for.
I totally understand "AMNESTY" since I have studied it for many years now. I am against a blanket amnesty but I believe there will be compromise and there will be stipulations.
DWG

Everett, MA

#250 Feb 11, 2013
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
<quoted text>
Walter, you and I have never agreed. You advocate a blanket amnesty using God, Compassion, pity, etc. as the reasons and you leave out the fact that there are laws in place that are being broken by those you advocate for.
I totally understand "AMNESTY" since I have studied it for many years now. I am against a blanket amnesty but I believe there will be compromise and there will be stipulations.
NON COMPLACENT WROTE :...."..... I have studied it for many years now....."

DWG WROTE:

how I see you agreed with me for sure, please pay attention why:

1) Leonardo da Vinci's parachute,

Though credit for the invention of the first practical parachute usually goes to Sebastien Lenormand in 1783, Leonardo da Vinci actually conceived the parachute idea a few hundred years earlier (1485)

Da Vinci made a sketch of the invention with this accompanying description: "If a man have a tent made of linen of which the apertures (openings) have all been stopped up, and it be twelve braccia (about 23 feet) across and twelve in depth, he will be able to throw himself down from any great height without suffering any injury."

http://legacy.mos.org/sln/Leonardo/Leo-Parach...

NON COMPLACENT WROTE :: ".... and you leave out the fact that there are laws in place that are being broken by those you advocate for...."

Dwg Wrote: 1986 this law is just a sketch in the papers, majoritaries do not have enough tecnology to demand Amnesty followed by enforcement. why:

a) USA VISAS failed for many times, and just 2002 start a new program with a biometric Visas more security in the world.

b) 40 % percent of undocumented population are overstay visas.

c) many employers envited many people to come here to USA for low wages.

d) undocumenteds people in USA were very profitable for non-governamental institution like hospitals, jails, phone companies, etc.

How I said American Law exist and must be respected, but for now is just in a paper sketch ( Like Leonardo da Vince ages 1485 ) and you and I will be happy to see it works for real.

thanks
DWG

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#251 Feb 12, 2013
DWG wrote:
NTRPRNR1 Wrote:..." but I don't think they deserve citizenship except for the children they brought who had no choice. I will support the dream act....."
Dwg wrote : Republicans are supporting Dream act.
...
NTRPRNR1 Wrote:...." they're better than the millions of other folks around the world...."
DWG Wrote: yes, they are. And here are the reasons:
A) they come here without nothing and they started a new life.
B) they grew up their kids to serve this country.
C) they love this place to accept them how they are.
D) Their community are so proud of them
E) Family is important for them, and it is all about in america.
F) American already love the ideia to keep them and place them for better.
NTRPRNR1 Wrote:...."millions of other folks around the world who paid their dues and waited their turns to immigrate....."
DWG WRote:
A) no line to broke in this case, because 2013 is not 1986, today we have computers and people to process this in short time.
B) Their schedulle to migrate will be followed, and not delays for them, maybe their process will be more quicly after amnesty, it will be a fair situation.
NTRPRNR1 Wrote:
.."You and I will never see eye to eye because I am more concerned about America and Americans and your focus is squarely on making illegals citizens...."

...
Walter, legal immigrants come here with nothing as well and wanting a new life. What they all want is a BETTER life. Who can argue with that? Everybody wants a better life, but do you have the right to better your own life at the expense of others? That is the cruxt of the matter that Americans of every walk of life are facing against the wealthy and powerful who have let greed and indifference drive the bus that we call Congress.

Affording everybody a pathway to citizenship and LPR is the way to guarantee that the social welfare system will continue to deteriorate at the same time pensions and benefits are disappearing or in decline. If I want something, I've been taught I have to work for it - put in the time, the effort and meet the challenge - whatever that is. I was never taught it was okay to steal it from others simply because I wanted it. That's what illegal workers do. Most of them are stealing a job from an American and doing it for less that an American expects for the job. Of course this is good for business profit. But, is it good for America and opportunity? I absolutely do no believe that it is.

Which human beings deserve our compassion? Since one group will be sidelined and another group gets to keep those stolen jobs (yes, I know employers decided), who gets hurt and who comes out ahead? I don't like that plan. It's wrong both morally and ethically and by LAWS that we failed to enforce to protect American labor and American taxpayers. You can be a citizen of the world, but I prefer to be a citizen of The United States of America, and, as such, my obligation is first and foremost to my fellow citizens - not those who entered in violation of the law. And, it will never be okay with me that we set policies that put them in a BETTER position than the Americans whose jobs they took.

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