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#186 Feb 6, 2013
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
How many times have I stated this?
Wednesday, February 06, 2013
"Path To Citizenship" Not Desired For Many From Mexico
Read more: http://www.wtag.com/pages/paulwestcott.html...
Twink, "pathway" is NOT about Mexico. It's a GLOBAL message we must send. There are people around the world thinking about just coming on over instead of waiting for permission to enter. What would pathway to citizenship signal to those people? After all, that part of illegals comprises about 40% of those who enter on a legal visa and then just never leave again. Of all illegals, THEY are the ones from far away lands who have no intention of making a buck and going home. They usually come to make a new home here. They certainly don't go back and forth because of the fact their visas are no longer valid.

Now, if you're in Europe or Asia and wanting to immigrate, and you're in a hold pattern to get in, why not just come on over, because obviously American would have telegraphed two times in a very big way that it's A-OKAY, and they'll get your on the same path to citizenship you would have gotten while waiting cooling your heels at home? So, I definitely see TGW and "no pathway" to be significant parts of any plan.

Beyond that, no employer should be permitted to retain ANY profit at all that they accrued over the tenure of their illegal workers. They should be stripped of all of it and then fined brutally as well. With a TGW conversion program, we would know how many illegals are already employed at a company. While we would be giving them a "pass" one time only, that really should be a caution and red flag for government to watch those folks going forward.

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#187 Feb 6, 2013
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
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I was not referring to illegals taking the jobs, I was referring to the number of applicants vs the number of job openings. There are many illegals who work in the healthcare industry, nursing homes, hospitals, doctors offices, etc. There many jobs that do not require them to take care of patients.
Thanks for clarifing Twink. I'm surprised that we would have many illegals in the health industry. That's something I hadn't heard about.

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#188 Feb 6, 2013
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
How many times have I stated this?
Wednesday, February 06, 2013
"Path To Citizenship" Not Desired For Many From Mexico
Read more: http://www.wtag.com/pages/paulwestcott.html...
I didn't read the link yet but just the headline. That's kind of what I was saying to Ntr. Citizenship isn't the draw for illegal immigration.

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#189 Feb 6, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't read the link yet but just the headline. That's kind of what I was saying to Ntr. Citizenship isn't the draw for illegal immigration.
I disagree if we are talking about the 40% of illegals who come on visas and fail to return when the visa expires.
DWG

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#190 Feb 6, 2013
PART 1

"21st century immigration system that not only improves our security and economy, but is reflective of our values as a nation, is within reach."
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>You certainly aren't going to fill those slots with illegal immigrants. You're talking about trained and skilled jobs that are going unfilled. That involves LEGAL immigrants or qualified applicants moving across country to take them.
In just 1 state are open 300.000 opportunities to be filled and if we consider 50 states, we maybe have around 10 million opportunities unfiled.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
Amnesty WILL change America, especially if it provides a pathway to citizenship and doesn't come with REAL enforcement in the workplace. All it will do is what it did to the last wave of illegals who were amnestied in 1986. Do you know what happened to them by any chance?
Computers is very important to manager this country, take a look at biometric visas in 2002.
stupid age of federal governamental institution without their properly computers, 1986 amnesty fail for not have our tecnology ( windows, linux and mac, etc ...) as today.

And for sure many people will lose their job in washighton because computers will do their jobs for just show us statistics or frauds, future advice.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
Well, for the majority of those who came to work in the trades and construction, they had the pleasure of seeing their own wages decline and lost jobs just like other Americans. They were replaced by the cheaper labor of new illegals competing. What makes you think it would be different this time if we afford them a path to citizenship?
Our work force will be more than trades and construction. for sure we can say for you that we have enough tecnology and computers to track each men and woman in this land.

Our future not arrived already, we need to create opportunities to accelerate this process. gridlock is not the answer how you see 2012 election.

We need more than bunch of people with hammers and nails.

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DWG

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#191 Feb 6, 2013
Part 2
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
Who is going to pay them Social Security and Medicare when they "retire"? WE are. At a minimum, about half of them never paid a penny into that program because they work for the cash payday or live off the welfare provided their American born children and/or pick up cash doing odd jobs on the side. Do you get it yet? They didn't pay in, but we'll ALL have to pay out to retire them and provide them healthcare.
If majoritary say okay for amnesty bill, we can embrace this cause and you must have to trust them.

We talk about peoples future, and america never will use brutality to solve a social problem, we are not tyranny nation. We are a sample of world.

."...... This will be no easy task. But if Congress and the White House are willing to exert the political will and engage in an honest, sensible debate, then the creation of a uniquely American, 21st century immigration system that not only improves our security and economy, but is reflective of our values as a nation, is within reach."

Johnson is the executive director of the American Immigration Council.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homela...
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NTRPRNR1 wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, if they're TGW, their employers can pay for their healthcare - not the taxpayers in America. And, if they want to retire here? They can take whatever contributions they've already made (with interest), leave the country, get in the line to come back legally, and IF they make the cut and are admitted? Then, they can repay their social security accounts and go from there to earn what everybody else has to earn to draw from the fund.
"Get in the line" .... No line my friend, the system is broken, that is why amnesty with imigration reform.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
With people who came here with no skills, no education, WHY should they be part of chain migration and family reunification? Do you know what America gets with that program? More people without skills or education whose needs are great than their contributions.
This people are member of american fabric, they just need be free like everyone.

Remember, you talk about people who came here by their individual goals, they not have a lider.
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
It's time this country got smart like other countries around the globe and expedited legal immigration for folks who CAN make a contribution and stop with the influx of people who will take more than they can ever give.
This country is very smart, because they never stop to print money ( millions and milllions ) everday!
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
I say let the children who were brought here through no freewill and who we have educated have a pathway to citizenship. Everybody else who KNEW they were violating our laws should never get that option. It will only attract even MORE illegal immigration.
The end result of unfettered illegal immigration over time is always a failed state. I don't want the state to fail.
American politicician and immigration system looks like "the great blackout of Super Bowl XLVII".

...."The blackout, which came 90 seconds into the second half and lasted nearly 34 minutes, was caused by power coming into the Superdome and no other areas were affected, authorities said. Coming in the year’s most-watched TV and sporting event, it was a gaffe beyond embarrassing....."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lea...

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spud

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#192 Feb 6, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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"...believe me, there are more people on my side than yours..."
You need to get out more often.
The majority of the American people are in favor of immigration reform that allows people currently here illegally to stay.
That's the whole point of this thread and the proposal most of us have been discussing as far as I'm concerned.
There is going to be some kind of reform and adjusted status. Both parties have a vested interest in getting this over with and off the table.
I'm just hoping we can find some way to make sure it doesn't involve a path to citizenship and does something to avoid the next wave of illegal immigration.
If you want to deny reality then just dig your heels in, close your eyes and keep saying "no" and we will end up with exactly what you say you don't want.
OK, I get it. You're the one who believes the agenda driven media. The media who backed Rick Perry, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich at various times during the last nomination cycle. The media that will back anyone who will carry their water or who favors their agenda. You're naive to think otherwise.

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#193 Feb 6, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>OK, I get it. You're the one who believes the agenda driven media. The media who backed Rick Perry, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich at various times during the last nomination cycle. The media that will back anyone who will carry their water or who favors their agenda. You're naive to think otherwise.
Deny reality all you want. You won't be happy with outcome.
Snake Eyes

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#194 Feb 6, 2013
The Immigration Debate Is Literally and Figuratively Dead

The difficulty is that in reality, the reality of the political arena, it takes sincere courage and conviction to do the right thing. Many politicians float on the winds of change, thus making a “firm conviction” something of an oxymoron.
“If common sense rears its head this term, there may be realistic movement on immigration reform. If not, we’ll be having the same conversations for many more years to come,”

Read more: http://www.lawfirmnewswire.com/2013/02/the-im...
spud

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#195 Feb 6, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't know what's in the legislation they came up with.
"_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>Have you even read the plan that the Government has set forth? Because if you have then you have forgotten a lot of the things they want passed. Things that you want passed but just said they would never do. But lo and behold they are putting it into their legislation.
By the way "can't" never can, never has and never will. Those are losers words which I'm sure your not."
On the contrary, I am a loser. So your prediction of my status is as wrong as your prediction of my awareness of this proposals ramifications. I know what's in it and I know what it means to our working poor and middle class. What I don't understand is how people believe it when the agenda driven corporate media say we can't solve our illegal alien problem without first passing comprehensive amnesty. That's totally ludicrous.
spud

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#196 Feb 6, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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Deny reality all you want. You won't be happy with outcome.
I'm stating reality. If you want to stand with our corporate controlled media, that's your perogative. I'm going to continoe to side with logic and what's best for the country. The difference between me and the media is I will stand for what is best for our country even if it isn't a benefit to me.
Snake Eyes

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#197 Feb 6, 2013
Guns for Green Cards.

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#198 Feb 6, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>I'm stating reality. If you want to stand with our corporate controlled media, that's your perogative. I'm going to continoe to side with logic and what's best for the country. The difference between me and the media is I will stand for what is best for our country even if it isn't a benefit to me.
I actually like that attitude. I feel the same about the corporate media too.

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#199 Feb 7, 2013
DWG wrote:
Part 2
<quoted text>
If majoritary say okay for amnesty bill, we can embrace this cause and you must have to trust them.
We talk about peoples future, and america never will use brutality to solve a social problem, we are not tyranny nation. We are a sample of world.
."...... This will be no easy task. But if Congress and the White House are willing to exert the political will and engage in an honest, sensible debate, then the creation of a uniquely American, 21st century immigration system that not only improves our security and economy, but is reflective of our values as a nation, is within reach."
Johnson is the executive director of the American Immigration Council.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/homela...
Follow us:@thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook
<quoted text>
"Get in the line" .... No line my friend, the system is broken, that is why amnesty with imigration reform.
<quoted text>
This people are member of american fabric, they just need be free like everyone.
Remember, you talk about people who came here by their individual goals, they not have a lider.
<quoted text>
This country is very smart, because they never stop to print money ( millions and milllions ) everday!
<quoted text>
American politicician and immigration system looks like "the great blackout of Super Bowl XLVII".
...."The blackout, which came 90 seconds into the second half and lasted nearly 34 minutes, was caused by power coming into the Superdome and no other areas were affected, authorities said. Coming in the year’s most-watched TV and sporting event, it was a gaffe beyond embarrassing....."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lea...
Thank You So Much
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IPVJqkf2gp8XX
Walter, we just are not going to get on the same page. I think "pathway to citizenship" is a bad idea. It signals more to come for the opportunity. It creates a huge financial burden as time goes by. If the majority of illegal immigrants were college educated, I probably wouldn't have the same reservations. They'd be chain-migrating more educated family members than we're going to get with this mess. These are just facts.

Most other major First World nations have caught up to how and who to immigrate to improve their societies. If there's no skill you have that Sweden needs, you aren't going to be permitted to immigrate to Sweden. Sorry - no place for you. Compassion is one thing. Leveling the playing field and improving living circumstances for contributing workers via some form of legal status change is another thing. The BAD thing is giving them the keys to the vault and inviting even MORE uneducated folks to join us down the road - when what we really need are immigrants with skills and talents we lack. Sorry you don't see that. I don't think you'll ever look at that.

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#200 Feb 7, 2013
Group of Young Immigrants Seeks a Direct Path to Citizenship for All, Regardless of Age

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/07/us/politics...

These people are out of their minds!!!!

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#201 Feb 7, 2013
5) Temporary guest workers are subject to removal from the program for any felony conviction including DUI or domestic abuse. TGW are not eligible for public welfare other than emergency health care as mandated by federal law. They are responsible for the care and support of immediate family members ONLY who will be permitted to stay and be supported solely by the TGW.

No TGW is permitted to reside in taxpayer funded housing unless he/she is the primary caregiver and legal guardian (parent) of an American born child who is eligible. All others who have been staying with extended family members will be provided a ninety day window to move into the private sector and show proof of the relocation.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

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#202 Feb 7, 2013
DfwDude wrote:
Group of Young Immigrants Seeks a Direct Path to Citizenship for All, Regardless of Age
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/07/us/politics...
These people are out of their minds!!!!
It doesn't seem anymore outrageous than you telling them all to go back to Mexico.

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#204 Feb 7, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>I'm stating reality. If you want to stand with our corporate controlled media, that's your perogative. I'm going to continoe to side with logic and what's best for the country. The difference between me and the media is I will stand for what is best for our country even if it isn't a benefit to me.
You're stating you're opinion as if it were indisputable fact and ignoring the role public opinion is going to play in all of this.

You're also assuming that you have a monopoly on concern for the well being of this country.

You don't.

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#205 Feb 7, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
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It doesn't seem anymore outrageous than you telling them all to go back to Mexico.
There was a time when I felt the same way, but at some point reality has to be taken into account.

We are not going to forcibly deport millions of people which raises the question, then what are we going to do?

That's how I ended up on this thread willing to discuss alternatives to amnesty and a path to citizenship.

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#206 Feb 7, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>On the contrary, I am a loser. So your prediction of my status is as wrong as your prediction of my awareness of this proposals ramifications. I know what's in it and I know what it means to our working poor and middle class. What I don't understand is how people believe it when the agenda driven corporate media say we can't solve our illegal alien problem without first passing comprehensive amnesty. That's totally ludicrous.
If you truly knew what is in the proposed bill you wouldn't be saying the legislative body would never do the things they have written into their bill.
I do believe that you have been a victim of years of reading one side of a multifaceted issue.

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