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Governor refuses to support any kind of immigration reform until border is secure

There are 138 comments on the The Bugle story from Jan 8, 2013, titled Governor refuses to support any kind of immigration reform until border is secure. In it, The Bugle reports that:

The question of what Brewer thinks is politically significant since the governor said she will not support any form of immigration reform unless and until the border is secure.

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Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#21 Jan 9, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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Actually her grandparents came from Mexico. Also calling a native American "Indian" is a slur. Indians are from India not North America. In addition white people did not come here illegally. They complied with the laws that were in place at the time.
Seems you are the one "ignorant of history" and facts in general.
Who's grandparents came from Mexico? Brewers? That would probably be news to her.

Brewer is of English and Norwegian descent. Her maternal grandfather, Emil Theodore Bakken, was from Norway, and her maternal grandmother, Carrie Nelson, was from Minnesota and the daughter of Norwegian immigrants. Meanwhile, her paternal grandmother, Sarah Rosina Ford (original surname Wilford), was an Englishwoman from Buckinghamshire.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry....
jose

United States

#22 Jan 9, 2013
Wow governor needs to get her head out of......... Is more important things to do here america is not in war with mexican but with yourselfs
DWG

Everett, MA

#24 Jan 9, 2013
deport deport deport wrote:
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There is nothing more important than ridding this country of the human garbage, the scum of Mexico, that has infected the US like a cancer. You are vile, vulgar and violent sub-humans, baby-spewing animals that leech off of America. The economy will eventually heal itself, but if the wet backs are allowed in, they will bring this country down to the level of the chit hole called Mexico. Deport these criminal invaders. Pee on them first. Do I make my hated for illegals clear, sp ic,?
advice is not free you have to buy, but I will give you just one:

Go back old England, there is a small island, and for sure you will feel safety without Latinos.

Or look to Americas map and you see north america, Central America and South America.

Welcome America
dWG

Since: Jan 13

San Francisco, CA

#25 Jan 9, 2013
deport deport deport wrote:
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There is nothing more important than ridding this country of the human garbage, the scum of Mexico, that has infected the US like a cancer. You are vile, vulgar and violent sub-humans, baby-spewing animals that leech off of America. The economy will eventually heal itself, but if the wet backs are allowed in, they will bring this country down to the level of the chit hole called Mexico. Deport these criminal invaders. Pee on them first. Do I make my hated for illegals clear, sp ic,?
Some people don't have a heart...:(
FritoBandito

San Diego, CA

#26 Jan 10, 2013
Nym8387 wrote:
<quoted text>sound almost exactly like what I told you when you were hating on cubans because you thought I was one ,I'm attacking you,my other post are about illegal aliens
I wasn't attacking Cubans. I was attacking you. You're still out there drifting along on a raft with no destination.

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#27 Jan 10, 2013
William Sobrevilla wrote:
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Some people don't have a heart...:(
Illegals have played on Americans' compassion for far too long. Apparently Americans are tired of being forced to support illegals' families while being able to do less for their own. Get over it. Tell your friends to play by the rules, which in the end, will make it easier on everybody involved.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#28 Jan 10, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>Illegals have played on Americans' compassion for far too long. Apparently Americans are tired of being forced to support illegals' families while being able to do less for their own. Get over it. Tell your friends to play by the rules, which in the end, will make it easier on everybody involved.
Oh yes. They get so much compassion. Sort of gives new meaning to the word.

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#29 Jan 10, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Oh yes. They get so much compassion. Sort of gives new meaning to the word.
They have played us for years...people are fed up with it now. I imagine, if more people were still working they wouldn't be as pissed off at them for working a job an American could & would work, as well as working the system through their American-born. I also don't think the illegals of the past were any where as dependent upon our freebies as they are now.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#30 Jan 10, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>They have played us for years...people are fed up with it now. I imagine, if more people were still working they wouldn't be as pissed off at them for working a job an American could & would work, as well as working the system through their American-born. I also don't think the illegals of the past were any where as dependent upon our freebies as they are now.
Oh sure they play us. That may look like a landscaper working in the summer heat or a bus boy working 70 hours a week, but underneath is a mastermind enjoying the life of Riley. What a dream existence. Who wouldn't want to trade places.
Kpegelow

Pacoima, CA

#31 Jan 10, 2013
Quintero wrote:
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Mrs Brewer is ignorant of history. She should know that the whites were the first illegals here. Her ancestors could be among them, unless she said she's a native Indian.
It is not Mrs. Brewer who is ignorant of history. It is you. At the time of the colonial settlements, there were no immigration laws. Therefore, the people who settled here were not here illegally. Also, if you know your history, you would know that there were settlers from many different countries, including most of Europe and from Mexico. The Spanish settled Florida. France had colonies, The Dutch settled New York, but later lost it. The lands of the western United States and areas along the Mexican border were taken away from the Indians by the Spanish, hence the title, "Spanish" land grants. These foreign countries lost their rights to those lands as forfeitures of lost wars or because they sold it. Once lost, their descendants lost all claims to ownership. The land grants of California were primarily lost because many of the grant owners could no longer afford to keep them up. California suffered a huge drought that killed off massive herds of cattle and destroyed the crops, thus placing the landowners into bankruptcy. Immigration laws were put into place to preserve a balanced melting pot of nationalities so that no one nationality could over-run the others and take over the country.

It is an unfortunate fact that many people have a sense of misdirected entitlement. We all have choices to make in this life. We have the choice as whether or not we will bring children into this world, whether or not we will do what is necessary to financially support ourselves or starve to death, whether or not we will stick drugs into our bodies that we do not need and whether or not we will do that which is right or that which is wrong.

I do not, nor have I ever, had a problem with people immigrating to this country going through the legal process. Nor do I feel the right to tell others how to live their lives. What I do have a problem with, and I know I am not alone in this thought, is with those who have a sense that they are somehow entitled to help themselves to that which rightfully belongs to others over and above the rights of those who take the actions necessary to bring this change about. I also have a great problem with those who believe that they have the right to force their decisions regarding those choices unto others even though they have done nothing to earn that right or refuse to take the actions necessary to pay for their decisions. And I have a problem with people who consciously make the decision to bring life into this world without the means of providing for that new life once it gets here and then expect others to provide for those children with the means to raise them, simply because we took the time and effort to earn a living and have money and you do not. Many people make inappropriate choices in life, then expect others to pay for their poor choices. It is, however, not our responsibility to pay for their inappropriate actions, or to sanction these choices by enabling them to continue to simply walk away from their responsibilities.

There is no freedom without responsibility. There are no "rights" if that right tramples upon the rights of someone else and that right was not earned.
Kpegelow

Pacoima, CA

#32 Jan 10, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Who's grandparents came from Mexico? Brewers? That would probably be news to her.
Brewer is of English and Norwegian descent. Her maternal grandfather, Emil Theodore Bakken, was from Norway, and her maternal grandmother, Carrie Nelson, was from Minnesota and the daughter of Norwegian immigrants. Meanwhile, her paternal grandmother, Sarah Rosina Ford (original surname Wilford), was an Englishwoman from Buckinghamshire.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry....
I would respond to this comment with the same response I gave the other person. It doesn't matter where your grandparents came from. What matters is whether or not they entered this country legally after immigration laws were put into effect. Prior to the passing of immigration laws, there were no "illegal" immigrants because there were no legal mechanisms in place to state whether they had the right to be here or not. Once those laws were put into place, and only once those laws were put into place did the question of whether or not someone was here "legally" come into play.

As to those who claim prior ownership of land within the US borders belonged to prior holders of the land, read your history. Land ownership in the United States was brought into play by virtue of the spoils of war and by outright purchase from prior owners. When you lose a war, you pay the price. This has been the case since the days of the Roman Empire and before. It is not a new concept. Claiming that your country owns a portion of the US (notwithstanding recent purchases), is as ludicrous as claiming that once you sell your home, you get to continue living there. If that were true, then there would be no purpose to "purchasing" a property because you would never truly have ownership of that property because the prior owner would simply continue to live there with you.

If I follow the perception of those who would claim that we took the land from Mexico, then you have to go back and look at Mexican history as well. Mexican nationals moved into California by virtue of Spanish land grants. Mexico itself is not truly a "Mexican" population. It is a gathering of numerous native tribes, who were in turn conquered by others and assimilated. France owned part of Mexico at one time, as did Spain. In Mexico City alone, there are more than 80 "Indian" dialects spoken by members of the various native tribal people.

Your argument does not hold water. You cannot judge today's history by the past because the past is dead and gone and will not come again no matter how hard you try to argue to the contrary.
Kpegelow

Pacoima, CA

#33 Jan 10, 2013
spytheweb wrote:
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No country in the world is going to allow illegal aliens to just walk in and set up shop. Why do you think illegal aliens are not just hopping on a plane and going somewhere else, because they can't. They would be booted so fast they would knock themselves down coming in.
Japan picks up illegal aliens off the street and deports them, and so does the UK.
As does Mexico and every other country in the world. Mexico has one of the strictest immigration laws out there. Go and read their immigration laws. No matter what country you chose to live in, the minute you step foot in that country, you are governed by the law of the land. You don't get to choose which laws you want to obey and which ones you do not. If the law of any given country says you need to take certain steps before you can live in their country, then it behooves you to obey those laws because they are there as much for your good as for the good of those already living there. If we pick and choose which laws we will obey in this life, then we set our world up for chaos. You may not like certain laws, in which case, you actively work to change them. What you do not do is simply ignore them. If you choose to ignore those laws, then you have no one to blame but yourself if you get caught and no right to complain if you get punished for your actions by whatever means the law provides.

If you are living in any country "illegally", you are not an undocumented immigrant as many select to be called. You are an illegal immigrant because you have no legal right to be there. If you are currently living illegally in any country in the world, then it behooves you to pack up your belongings and go back to your home country until you have taken the necessary steps to enter your country of choice through proper legal channels. There is no excuse for doing otherwise. Your "rights", hopes and dreams do not supersede that of others. Yes, some people are more fortunate than others, either by right of birth, having more money and/or any other criteria of your choosing. That is a fact of life. Deal with it and stop complaining. If it is worth having, then it is worth making the effort to earn it.
Kpegelow

Pacoima, CA

#34 Jan 10, 2013
DWG wrote:
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advice is not free you have to buy, but I will give you just one:
Go back old England, there is a small island, and for sure you will feel safety without Latinos.
Or look to Americas map and you see north america, Central America and South America.
Welcome America
dWG
Since only part of my ancestors came from old England, your suggestion would be difficult to obey unless I did like chicken nuggets and divided myself into pieces parts.

Latinos are not the only illegal immigrants in this country. I am not certain how you judge yourselves the only target in the efforts to remove illegal immigrants. Any person who enters this country contrary to the law of the land is here illegally regardless of their land of origin. Once a person gains US Citizenship, they are no longer "Latinos", they are Americans. Perhaps its time you started thinking that way. If you are not an American, then why are you here?

I'm not sure what you mean by looking at a map and identifying all countries containing the name "American" as all one country because this is not and has never been the case. If I have three chickens, all of different breeds, they may remain chickens but they are not the same bird and never will be. Your argument is not logical. Each of those countries is a separate and individual entity with its own national alliances, its own treaties with other countries and its own people. They are not one and the same and do not have rights to simply move from one country to the other. Even within Central America and South America, there are individual and independent countries, each with their own legal land boundaries and their own laws, which laws must be obeyed by the citizens who live within those boundaries. If you "migrate" into those countries without legal permission to be in their country, you would be deported just as you would be here. You are comparing apples to oranges and trying to turn them into grapes.
Kpegelow

Pacoima, CA

#35 Jan 10, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Oh yes. They get so much compassion. Sort of gives new meaning to the word.
What does compassion have to do with obeying the law of the land? If you did nothing to earn the right to be here, then you do not belong here. Wishing it to be so does not make it so.

If everybody did whatever they wanted to do any time they wanted to do it with no regard for the rights of others, then we would have no law. A land without law is a land in which no one has rights at all. There is no freedom without responsibility. If what you are doing is not what the law of the land has judged to be for the common good of all, then you should not be doing it, compassion notwithstanding. The demand you make for "compassion" is not true compassion. It is a demand to be allowed to do as you choose without regard for anyone but yourself.

If you are disobeying the law of the land, then stop disobeying it. If you are here illegally, go home and take the steps to do it within the guidelines of the laws currently in existence. There is no excuse for not doing that which is right and proper. Nobody owes you a living. You have to earn it.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#36 Jan 10, 2013
Kpegelow wrote:
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I would respond to this comment with the same response I gave the other person. It doesn't matter where your grandparents came from. What matters is whether or not they entered this country legally after immigration laws were put into effect. Prior to the passing of immigration laws, there were no "illegal" immigrants because there were no legal mechanisms in place to state whether they had the right to be here or not. Once those laws were put into place, and only once those laws were put into place did the question of whether or not someone was here "legally" come into play.
As to those who claim prior ownership of land within the US borders belonged to prior holders of the land, read your history. Land ownership in the United States was brought into play by virtue of the spoils of war and by outright purchase from prior owners. When you lose a war, you pay the price. This has been the case since the days of the Roman Empire and before. It is not a new concept. Claiming that your country owns a portion of the US (notwithstanding recent purchases), is as ludicrous as claiming that once you sell your home, you get to continue living there. If that were true, then there would be no purpose to "purchasing" a property because you would never truly have ownership of that property because the prior owner would simply continue to live there with you.
If I follow the perception of those who would claim that we took the land from Mexico, then you have to go back and look at Mexican history as well. Mexican nationals moved into California by virtue of Spanish land grants. Mexico itself is not truly a "Mexican" population. It is a gathering of numerous native tribes, who were in turn conquered by others and assimilated. France owned part of Mexico at one time, as did Spain. In Mexico City alone, there are more than 80 "Indian" dialects spoken by members of the various native tribal people.
Your argument does not hold water. You cannot judge today's history by the past because the past is dead and gone and will not come again no matter how hard you try to argue to the contrary.
So? Why are you telling me this? I am not the one who claimed Brewer has a special perspective because her grandparents were Mexican. I simply pointed out that it was not true.
Kpegelow

Pacoima, CA

#37 Jan 10, 2013
jose wrote:
Wow governor needs to get her head out of......... Is more important things to do here america is not in war with mexican but with yourselfs
War with Mexico is not the issue. The issue is whether or not people are in this country within the confines of the law. If the law says someone does not belong here because they have not taken the steps required by the law to enter this country, then the person involved is here illegally and needs to go home. Those who chose selfish wants over that which is right and proper should not be rewarded by giving in to their selfish demands.

If you are breaking the law of the land, cease and desist. No matter how long and loud you scream and holler and hold your breath until you turn blue, it will not change the facts. Most four year olds know that they will get nowhere using illogical actions to justify illogical demands. Mature people take the actions necessary to earn the right to achieve their dreams. They do not turn to idealism and temper tantrums to justify their demands.
Kpegelow

Pacoima, CA

#38 Jan 10, 2013
FritoBandito wrote:
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I wasn't attacking Cubans. I was attacking you. You're still out there drifting along on a raft with no destination.
Americans do not hate Cubans or any other foreign national. What they hate is people who insist that their rights to demand that we cater to their whims and wants when those people have no legal right to make that demand. The world owes nobody a living, and America does not owe anyone free admittance to our country or governmental assistance to help you exist once you get here.

You get what you earn in life. If deportation is what you earned, then you deserve what you get. Either obey the laws or take the consequences of those laws. Don't wave nationalistic flags as an excuse to disobey our laws or demand charity or compassion if you have done nothing to earn it.

Freedom and responsibility go hand in hand. The freedoms offered in the United States are not and have never truly been free. A freedom to live here does not allow you to abrogate all responsibility of living within our borders simply because you want to be here. If you want our respect, then respect us and earn the right to be here. The world does not owe you a living, it does not owe you the right to do as you please and it does not owe you the means to support your existence. You have to take the steps necessary to get on in life. Compassion for others does not mean that those others have the right to trample on the rights of others. Nor does charity excuse one from the obligation to take the actions necessary to take care of yourself.

If you are here illegally, regardless of your country of origin, go home and take the steps necessary to come here the right and proper way. Once you get here, take the steps to support yourself and do not expect others to turn over their hard-earned dollars to give you the life style you seem to demand for yourself.

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#39 Jan 10, 2013
Kpegelow wrote:
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War with Mexico is not the issue. The issue is whether or not people are in this country within the confines of the law. If the law says someone does not belong here because they have not taken the steps required by the law to enter this country, then the person involved is here illegally and needs to go home. Those who chose selfish wants over that which is right and proper should not be rewarded by giving in to their selfish demands.
If you are breaking the law of the land, cease and desist. No matter how long and loud you scream and holler and hold your breath until you turn blue, it will not change the facts. Most four year olds know that they will get nowhere using illogical actions to justify illogical demands. Mature people take the actions necessary to earn the right to achieve their dreams. They do not turn to idealism and temper tantrums to justify their demands.
I'm impressed. Really, I am.
Clearly thought out, clearly phrased.
We need more people with your perspective.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

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#40 Jan 10, 2013
Kpegelow wrote:
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What does compassion have to do with obeying the law of the land? If you did nothing to earn the right to be here, then you do not belong here. Wishing it to be so does not make it so.
If everybody did whatever they wanted to do any time they wanted to do it with no regard for the rights of others, then we would have no law. A land without law is a land in which no one has rights at all. There is no freedom without responsibility. If what you are doing is not what the law of the land has judged to be for the common good of all, then you should not be doing it, compassion notwithstanding. The demand you make for "compassion" is not true compassion. It is a demand to be allowed to do as you choose without regard for anyone but yourself.
If you are disobeying the law of the land, then stop disobeying it. If you are here illegally, go home and take the steps to do it within the guidelines of the laws currently in existence. There is no excuse for not doing that which is right and proper. Nobody owes you a living. You have to earn it.
Well stated.
Kpegelow

Pacoima, CA

#41 Jan 10, 2013
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Oh sure they play us. That may look like a landscaper working in the summer heat or a bus boy working 70 hours a week, but underneath is a mastermind enjoying the life of Riley. What a dream existence. Who wouldn't want to trade places.
BS. We all have paid our dues at some point in our lives. I also worked as kitchen help, went out and helped my father hoe bean fields, cleaned motel rooms. These are called "entry-level" jobs for those just beginning to enter the job market. When you illegally take up those "entry-level" jobs, our young people have no jobs to learn work ethics and gain the experience necessary to move up into those high paying jobs you seem to think we all hold. Many claim that Americans will not take those jobs and that is nonsense. If you give a person the choice between working at a menial job and starving, I assure you, most people would chose to do the menial job rather than starve.

When you take those menial jobs you speak of, you also take the low cost housing away from our citizens because that is where you can afford to live. That same housing would be available for Americans who are low income or living on welfare, but they cannot obtain this housing because it is usurped by a people who have no right to be in this country in the first place.

The United States is currently standing at one of the highest unemployment rates in many years. People are not drawing unemployment, welfare and general relief out of choice, but out of necessity. There are no jobs for them at the present time. Even if they wanted to do menial labor to support themselves, they can't because those jobs are being taken by people who are not entitled to hold them. You speak of working 70 hours a week. If so, then your employer is violating federal labor laws and should be reported, not rewarded by your loyalty. It is not our responsibility as a nation to provide non-citizens with jobs, housing or government benefits.

If you are in this country illegally, go home. It is the responsibility of your homeland to provide for your means if you cannot provide them for yourself. If they will not do so, then take the steps necessary to come here legally and wait your turn in line just like every other person who seeks to immigrate to the United States. Contrary to the belief of many, you are not special to anyone other than yourself. Stop making excuses and take care of your business.

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