Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

Jun 25, 2013 Full story: Reuters 1,518

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1741 Sep 23, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Good to see lots of Audubon's Warblers & Yellowthroats, & glad to see a cluster of Bald Eagles. Same here, only we got lots of Balds all over the place, even nesting 150 yards away for years & other nests.
I must have missed something, but I didn't see the "lots of yellowthroats" you saw in Saturday's recording at Tawas Point, though they are one of our more abundant warblers in summer. I had a Yellow-rump in the yard this morning. Last week, while sitting outside with the camera, a Nashville showed up and cooperated for quite a long time, while I fired off approx 100 shots of it. It's always great to get a passing warbler in the yard, but to have one come close and actually sit still long enough to get pictures of it is a thrill!

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#1742 Sep 24, 2013
Obama wants to bring down the US economy, that's why he opposes new coal plants. There's nothing wrong with natural gas but that's no reason to impose new restrictions on coal.

Stop wasteful government spending, repeal intrusive regulation and stop higher taxes.

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#1743 Sep 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Obama wants to bring down the US economy, that's why he opposes new coal plants. There's nothing wrong with natural gas but that's no reason to impose new restrictions on coal.
Stop wasteful government spending, repeal intrusive regulation and stop higher taxes.
Considereing the Dems are allowing the much over-exposed loon, Pelosi, to spew her venom all over the place. This is the same fool, who strong-armed her side into voting for Obamacare, which is going to wreak havoc on the miniscule middle class. She claims there is nothing left to cut, we are already down to bare bone. Oh, really, what about all the overlapping initiatives, all the inane stdies out there that have no positive impact for the taxpayers. There is much that could be done, but these panty-waists don't have the tesituclar fortitude to actually take to the surgical knife and cut them out. One need only look at their bank accounts and can figure who they took to the cleaners.

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#1744 Sep 24, 2013
It's not science, it's faith:

Climate Heretic: Judith Curry Turns on Her Colleagues
Why can't we have a civil conversation about climate?

By Michael D. Lemonick...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cf...

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#1745 Sep 24, 2013
Hey, Pelosi, what about the fraudulant foodstamp claims happening every day??? Obama is spending his way for votes, to ensure that Dems get the big house once again, because the know much of nothing dependent voters only do know one thing, to keep the goodies coming. and to be able to stay on the couch, they must vote for the Dems. SAD, sad state of affairs.

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#1746 Sep 24, 2013
When the cupboard is bare; America is borrowing and printing money at world record rates. This is a bubble, it will burst sooner or later.

Sooner or later, reality always shuts down foolishness. Look at Germany and more of Europe balancing their budgets after decades of deficits. Of course, their deficits were always far smaller than ours.

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#1747 Sep 24, 2013
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SpaceBlues

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#1748 Sep 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
It's not science, it's faith:
Climate Heretic: Judith Curry Turns on Her Colleagues
Why can't we have a civil conversation about climate?
By Michael D. Lemonick...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cf...
Nonsense. Curry stands out because it works for her.

Instead of becoming wiser a la Hansen, she chose to get more tiny. This is because she lacks what is needed when we have so much much much data and the trends are well established in black and white.

Her first degree was geography, LOL. Nuff said.
SpaceBlues

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#1749 Sep 24, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
Hey, Pelosi, what about the fraudulant foodstamp claims happening every day??? Obama is spending his way for votes, to ensure that Dems get the big house once again, because the know much of nothing dependent voters only do know one thing, to keep the goodies coming. and to be able to stay on the couch, they must vote for the Dems. SAD, sad state of affairs.
Oh why don't you talk about what W did to our economy?

GOP will never win again, yes?

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#1750 Sep 24, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Oh why don't you talk about what W did to our economy?
GOP will never win again, yes?
The truth is they both suck as presidents...Obama may alienate enough Dems to vote for Republicans...He is a bigger joke than George W.

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#1751 Sep 24, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Nonsense. Curry stands out because it works for her. Instead of becoming wiser a la Hansen, she chose to get more tiny. This is because she lacks what is needed when we have so much much much data and the trends are well established in black and white. Her first degree was geography, LOL. Nuff said.
Hansen has a long list of mistaken forecasts. Still, SB accepts they call Doctor Curry a "Climate Heretic". That proves this isn't about science.
SpaceBlues

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#1752 Sep 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Hansen has a long list of mistaken forecasts. Still, SB accepts they call Doctor Curry a "Climate Heretic". That proves this isn't about science.
WRONG, b-gone. Don't speak for me!

Dr Hansen is a pioneer and a breakthrough scientist. Read his bio. Mistaken forecasts? You are mistaken and a liar.

OTOH, what/which forecast Dr Curry has made that she was proven correct?
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#1753 Sep 24, 2013
This for our favorite birder here:

So, last week approximately 7,500 songbirds flew into a giant flame and died.

The CBC reports:

About 7,500 songbirds, possibly including some endangered species, were killed while flying over a gas plant in Saint John late last week, officials have confirmed.

It appears the migrating birds flew into the gas flare at Canaport LNG between Friday night and Saturday morning, said Fraser Forsythe, the company's health, safety, security and environmental manager.

The birds were drawn to the flame like moths, an extremely unusual event, according to Don McAlpine, the head of zoology at the New Brunswick Museum.

"They would circle in around that and of course with a large flame like that and high temperatures, they wouldn't need to get terribly close to become singed or burned."
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#1754 Sep 24, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Obama wants to bring down the US economy, that's why he opposes new coal plants. There's nothing wrong with natural gas but that's no reason to impose new restrictions on coal.
Stop wasteful government spending, repeal intrusive regulation and stop higher taxes.
You are totally irrational. If you COULD think, you would have thought what a stupid statement it was before you made it.

Tell us first, why would a US President want the destroy the economy of his own country.

Then tell us why a US President would want that legacy.

You are a prime example of Teabagger stupidity.
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#1755 Sep 24, 2013
Here's another bird-killer, from 2011. Who woulda thunk?

Here's another reason for less pavement and parking lots: Thousands of dead and injured birds.

As you may have noticed, big stores have big parking lots, that channel rainwater and pollutants into local rivers and streams. Those same parking lots also are barely ever filled to capacity, except maybe during the holidays. In Utah, storm clouds and water that gathered in parking lots caused the death of thousands of birds, called eared grebes, on their migration path.

About 1,500 birds died after hitting the parking lot of a Walmart store and other open areas of Cedar City, Utah, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. They apparently landed to rest on the pond, but instead slammed into the pavement. A little better news: About 3,500 birds were rescued by various residents and Utah wildlife officials, then re-released into the wild.

Maybe these parking lots should have been better designed, to drain properly? And perhaps they didn't even need to be built, with the out-of-whack standards in some cities for how many spaces are needed outside stores.

Better yet, how about permeable pavement, that allows water to drain down and filter out pollutants, instead of run off and pollute the environment? And in this case, kill birds.

There is no avoiding the collision between Nature and civilization. Maybe one day it will result in fewer, smarter humans, which would be an improvement.

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#1758 Sep 24, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
This for our favorite birder here:
So, last week approximately 7,500 songbirds flew into a giant flame and died.
The CBC reports:
About 7,500 songbirds, possibly including some endangered species, were killed while flying over a gas plant in Saint John late last week, officials have confirmed.
It appears the migrating birds flew into the gas flare at Canaport LNG between Friday night and Saturday morning, said Fraser Forsythe, the company's health, safety, security and environmental manager.
The birds were drawn to the flame like moths, an extremely unusual event, according to Don McAlpine, the head of zoology at the New Brunswick Museum.
"They would circle in around that and of course with a large flame like that and high temperatures, they wouldn't need to get terribly close to become singed or burned."
I don't know why they call this an extremely unusual event. We all know birds are attracted to lights, whether on skyscrapers, cell towers or giant wind turbines. Why would a flame be any different? All attract insects which the birds need to eat; or as some scientists think, it confuses the birds.

In any case, birds would be smart enough to avoid the heat of a flame, but if that flame suddenly burst up or outward from a wind gust or some such thing, that could very well happen. Maybe those flames should not be burnig at night during peak migration.

Wet parking lots have been a problem for loons too. If they come down on land, they cannot take off again and will die if not rescued.

I have forever touted habitat destruction as the biggest concern for wildlife populations. Large parking lots are unnecessary and I have been against them and have spoken out against them too.

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#1759 Sep 24, 2013
I don't know what day this happened or where St. John is, but is it any coincidence that one day last week, I woke up at 4am and it was terribly foogy outside. My heart sank when I seen that knowing that somewhere, some birds, maybe MANY migrating birds were dying that night. Some just hatched weeks earlier and making their very first migration.

Unnecessary deaths like this make my stomach turn.
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#1760 Sep 24, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>The truth is they both suck as presidents...Obama may alienate enough Dems to vote for Republicans...He is a bigger joke than George W.
Ted Cruz is your fail. He will push many Republicans to vote Democrat!!!
litesong

Monroe, WA

#1762 Sep 24, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
I had a Yellow-rump in the yard this morning. Last week, while sitting outside with the camera, a Nashville showed up and cooperated for quite a long time, while I fired off approx 100 shots of it. but to have one come close and actually sit still long enough to get pictures of it is a thrill!
Yeah, there's a lot to be said for having fairly low power, wide angle binoculars for the small fast moving birds.

During spring migration, thousands of Audubons worked the trees in the front yard & the green belt in the back. Tho 40 feet away, the camera took fairly good pix of the beautiful birds. Ten days ago, got some mediocre pix of the Pelicans on the Washington coast, which stayed a couple hundred yards offshore with tens of thousands of other seabirds.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1765 Sep 24, 2013
Toutle wrote:
<quoted text>There is no avoiding the collision between smarter humans and DUM DUM caveman like you.
Maybe one day it will result in you living in a cave which would be an improvement,you want some GUM GUM DUM DUM.
Thanks for your input, such as it is.

Your own words make a better argument for denier stupidity than I ever could.

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