Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

Jun 25, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Reuters

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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No, nor would I try.
My goal isn't eradication. But I do agree with ALL the wildlife officials and naturalists across the continent that non-natives definitely NEED to be controlled.
Or do you think no control of wildlife of any kind is needed?
My control is a .22 rifle.

I'd suggest you do like wise or get a good pellet gun.
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How much do you want to bet I would not become a rich man if I came up with a way to eradicate them?
What's this? A trick bet?
You will never become a rich man.
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<quoted text>Not true, you have a strong hatred for any one that is connected with Wind Mills. Your blind political agenda you make is a poor attempt to stop them. You want to displace honest people trying to make an honest living.
Yes. The impartial claim to which you refer, is BS.
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They're essentially one of the natives now.
Good luck trying to drive that truth home in your opponent's gourd.
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But how are you going to help out those thousands of dead birds killed by the wind tower you let the build on your property for a mere $10k? As you keep pointing out, dead is dead. That makes about as much sense as allowing hunting of bald eagles and using the $100 license fee to "help them out" in another way.
My price wasn't based on greed, but rather on how much good taking $1 billion from the oil industry and directing that money to develop more renewables.
Your assumption is they would build a wind tower near you either way; guess you power of persuasion isn't a great as you thought.
Dead center mass. Good shot.
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True, but as you note they aren't eradicated and will likely require long term management. They are an example of a truly invasive species; not merely a non-native one. The Asian carp are in the same vein.
On the other hand, gobies are another invasive species but is actually supporting the resurging native Lake Trout population in Lake Huron.
That's why I support minimal management of all species unless they are truly invasive and destroying local ecosystems.
Speaking of Lake Trout. Are you aware that it is illegal to release a Lake Trout alive back into Yellowstone Lake in Yellowstone Ntl. Park? The fishing regs say you MUST kill it, and give instructions on how to kill it.

The interesting thing is that the USF&W environmentalists have concluded that the Lake Trout have been there for a very long time. Too long for it to have been a man caused population in Yellowstone Lake.
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Yes. The impartial claim to which you refer, is BS.
Not sure but Thank You.

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<quoted text>Not true, you have a strong hatred for any one that is connected with Wind Mills. Your blind political agenda you make is a poor attempt to stop them. You want to displace honest people trying to make an honest living.
Wrong. I hate nobody.

I want to educate people to the facts about what turbines do/have done/have the potential to do to the songbirds that most people enjoy having around. If someone like me doesn't warn them, they might wake up one spring morning to silence.

I would shut up about it if Obama would just come out and say, "Look, we need clean energy and wind has potential, but I must warn you all. Our migratory songbirds and large soaring birds could be in grave danger if we move ahead too fast with this thing. I say this because we already know for a fact that other large structures, such a cell towers, radio towers and skyscrapers have, on many occasions, have taken out large numbers of birds in an instant. Sometimes thousands at once."

At least then when people vote on the issue in their communities, they would have more than just one thing ("clean" energy) to take into consideration. In one speech he made reference to "a few dead birds." But that was a far cry from what is really happening.

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They're essentially one of the natives now.
I guess your definition of "natives" is different than mine and all the wildlife officials. Believe what you wish.

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But how are you going to help out those thousands of dead birds killed by the wind tower you let the build on your property for a mere $10k? As you keep pointing out, dead is dead. That makes about as much sense as allowing hunting of bald eagles and using the $100 license fee to "help them out" in another way.
My price wasn't based on greed, but rather on how much good taking $1 billion from the oil industry and directing that money to develop more renewables.
Your assumption is they would build a wind tower near you either way; guess you power of persuasion isn't a great as you thought.
Habitat destruction is the biggest threat to birds. Cats are a huge threat. Pesticides are too. There are so many ways people can help birds. That $10K could go a long way to helping save or restore habitat, or spread the message to other people who might want to create their own bird sanctuaries, treating injured or sick birds due to cats or pesticides, etc....
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What's this? A trick bet?
You will never become a rich man.
SHE cannot become a rich man, unless she has a sex-change operation and then gets rich.

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My point is many of these "non-natives" have been here so long that any impact on true native populations has likely already occurred and a new balance in nature has been achieved.
Such is the case with the European sparrow and many other "non-native" species. They haven't completely displaced the native species, but have instead reached a new balance in nature.
I prefer the minimum amount of controls on any wildlife & plant species (native or not) necessary to maintain a healthy ecosystem. For example, a billion white tail deer in Michigan wouldn't be a good thing just because they are a native species, while salmon in Lake Huron aren't necessarily a bad thing just because they AREN'T native. In fact I caught my first salmon of the season last night!
You're only partly right. If I have one pair of bluebirds nesting on my property in a bluebird house and I erect a Purple Martin house that 12 House Sparrows use to reproduce in...in one season, my sparrow population could go from 12 sparrows to 60. Assuming each pair (6) has two successful broods of four young and none of the adults perish.

This means that the following year there are a few dozen pairs of sparrows who will be looking for a nesting cavity. The martin house will be full. The remaining sparrows will move to the bluebird house, or any place they can find a cavity, and kill or displace the less aggressive bluebirds. If the bluebirds fail to reproduce and perish leaving no offspring...what happens to the bluebird population? Meanwhile the sparrows have again increased their population...threatening the neighboring bluebirds.
This affects not only bluebirds, but other cavity nesters; Tree Swallows, Great-crested Flycatchers, Titmice, Nuthatches, Chickadess, woodpeckers, Prothonotary Warblers, wrens, etc...

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*chickadees*

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Well that certainly seems to be YOUR agenda.
Or have we all misread you?
Didn't you just say no more wind towers should be built and that communities should come together to oppose wind developers?
How is not building anymore wind turbines "destroying someone's livelihood?" They don't even work there yet!
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Wrong. I hate nobody.
I want to educate people to the facts about what turbines do/have done/have the potential to do to the songbirds that most people enjoy having around. If someone like me doesn't warn them, they might wake up one spring morning to silence.
I would shut up about it if Obama would just come out and say, "Look, we need clean energy and wind has potential, but I must warn you all. Our migratory songbirds and large soaring birds could be in grave danger if we move ahead too fast with this thing. I say this because we already know for a fact that other large structures, such a cell towers, radio towers and skyscrapers have, on many occasions, have taken out large numbers of birds in an instant. Sometimes thousands at once."
At least then when people vote on the issue in their communities, they would have more than just one thing ("clean" energy) to take into consideration. In one speech he made reference to "a few dead birds." But that was a far cry from what is really happening.
Yes you make a valid point but to date you have no real data to support your claims on the issue at hand. All you do and for years now is cry wolf. As I mentioned many times over the years there are more destructive objects out there than wind mills but you never take issue with them. Your not all in!!!

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Survival of the fittest.....
Thank GOD you are not the head of the USFWS!
Do you say "survival of the fittest" as a Grizzly bear is chomping on your head?

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Sounds like you want to micromanage nature.
I have had absolutely no problem with sparrows or starlings crowding out bluebirds or swallows. I have plenty of all species nesting on my property. The bluebirds and swallows come back every year and nest in the same boxes, while the sparrows tend to stick to their own nests.
Maybe you just need to put up more nesting boxes if you're so worried about them competing for the one you have.
I now only have one nest box. It's for the House Wrens. My property is not large enough to support many different houses, nor do I have the time to monitor them. And yes, people micromanage nature all the time. You do it too when you cut your grass.

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True, but as you note they aren't eradicated and will likely require long term management. They are an example of a truly invasive species; not merely a non-native one. The Asian carp are in the same vein.
On the other hand, gobies are another invasive species but is actually supporting the resurging native Lake Trout population in Lake Huron.
That's why I support minimal management of all species unless they are truly invasive and destroying local ecosystems.
"That's why I support minimal management of all species unless they are truly invasive and destroying local ecosystems."
Exactly! I feel the same way!
When you drive through some cities or farms and see twenty thousand European Starlings and very few native birds, that's an ecosystem way out of whack.

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The wildlife officials do a fine job of "controlling" the non-native Ringneck Pheasant and Quail.
We have no quail here anymore.

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Whatever.
One thing I do hate is when people say "whatever."

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