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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1558 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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You can stop twisting my words any day now. I NEVER said one turbine WILL kill millions of birds. But one COULD have the potential for mass casualties on a single evening.
And according to YOUR OWN WORDS, we know you placed the value on that potential "mass casuality" at $10,000.

At least we all know what your price is.

I think GE can easily afford to buy you off.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1559 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Where did I say we should get rid of all of them? I think I said I like House Sparrows. But natives will always take precedence. If I install a bird house, I make sure alien species don't take it over. I've seen people with Purple Martin houses full of aliens sparrows and starlings. That is TOTALLY irresponsible. It's no damn wonder the government always steps into every aspect of our lives! Unfortunately, it affects the responsible people too.
Do you call Emerald Ash Borers "Americans?"
In these parts it's illeagal to move firewood between counties because wildlife officials KNOW aliens should not be permitted to take over. They seem to have learned their lesson about aliens.
English sparrows, starlings, etc, are now essentially native populations.

Unfortunately the Emerald Ash Borer is one of the newest Americans as well.

Can you name even one non-native species which as been successfully eradicated from the US?
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1560 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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There's a huge difference between me and PETA freaks. I actually CARE about the animals, and I'm not opposed to hunting.
On your copy of the script, is this where I am supposed to say "That's noble of you. Your hatred of one group of people is morally superior to PETA." ?
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1561 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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There's a huge difference between me and PETA freaks. I actually CARE about the animals, and I'm not opposed to hunting.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So since I "care about the people", can I hunt them too?
I have to admit Mr. Sheep. You made me laugh at that one.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1562 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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LMAO.
I thought you'd say that. Because I feel the same way about wind mills. Only I'd let them do it for $10k,(if they're putting one up nearby regardless).
I could buy a whole lot of brochures and other things for $10K. I could put that money to good use to further help the birds.
So, you would accept money from some people who you despise, and then take that money and use it to destroy the livlihoods of those who gave you the money.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1563 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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No, it won't stop more wind turbines from going up. But it WILL get the message out to more people about the true nature of an "alleged" clean source of energy.
I find most people like birds and wouldn't be happy about some of the mass casualty occurances- if they only knew.
My ultimate hope would be that more people would rise up against wind farms in their areas, >OR< some intelligent individual (like this Answers guy) who sees my jacket will be the one to come up with a viable idea to make them bird friendly.
Underground wind tunnels maybe??? Who knows?
So, your approach is to declare a task (helping birds avoid lethal structures) is impossible,
before even looking at the possibilities,
then refuse to give a hearing to any of those possibilities,
hope someone will get pissed enough at your blood smeared hate message jacket to invent methods to accomplish the stated task and make billions,
while you hypocritically take $10K from the very target of your blood smeared hate message jacket,
in order to destroy that target, and thereby make the need for the stated task superfluous.

What is sad, is that you think what you said makes sense.
The saddest part of all, is that you refuse to even entertain any suggestions. You simply close your mind, to the real odds of possibility, and set your teeth, insist that you are right, the very nature of man is not a constant and man's nature will change, and that employing technology to help the birds avoid danger, is ridiculously stupid and impossible.

SSDD

I think I'll head to the casino and throw down on red today just for the hell of it. I'll do it in honor of your new red blood soaked jacket.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1564 Sep 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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The common use of the term means job is done in another country instead of here.
If you want to claim agricultural jobs in the US have been "outsourced" because non-US citizen migrant workers perform them, feel free.
That's nice.
So is this;
The common use of the term "married" as it pertains to human relationships, means a legal marriage.
:<)

Now, look at your script. This is where you say "touche".
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1565 Sep 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So now you're complaining because wind turbines are TOO reliable and don't break down ENOUGH?
Btw, don't forget the destruction of the environment from uranium mining and all the radioactive waste and the potential for environmental catastrophy......
It is not surprising that Raptor is fascinated by windmills. It mimics a whirlwind of emotion posing as logic.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1566 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I said "underground." Not in our soil.
Since when is underground, not in our soil?
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1567 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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No, I'm questioning the secure jobs wind turbines are supposed to create.
What questions do you wish answered concerning those secure jobs?

Supposed to create?
There is no "supposed" about it. They exist. Many of them.

Do you know what those turbine blades are made of? They are fiberglass over balsa wood, or foam, or other fillers. They are susecptable to stress and flex fatigue. They are subject to delamination. Bearings need lube and often replacement. Computers need reset and repaired. Weather damage to the structure and finish needs repaired constantly. Circuits fail and need diagnosis and replacement.

It is a foolish line of thinking you have going there for you Raptor. They are machines. They need constant service, maintanence, and attention, just like your motorhome.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1568 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Where did I say we should get rid of all of them? I think I said I like House Sparrows. But natives will always take precedence. If I install a bird house, I make sure alien species don't take it over. I've seen people with Purple Martin houses full of aliens sparrows and starlings. That is TOTALLY irresponsible. It's no damn wonder the government always steps into every aspect of our lives! Unfortunately, it affects the responsible people too.
Do you call Emerald Ash Borers "Americans?"
In these parts it's illeagal to move firewood between counties because wildlife officials KNOW aliens should not be permitted to take over. They seem to have learned their lesson about aliens.
Someone outs up a bird house to help birds. Black birds move in instead of white swans, so you call the owner of the bird house irresponsible.
OK.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1569 Sep 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Pollution, destruction of the environment, etc. Just because we've always done it doesn't mean it's not a problem, especially when there are now 7+ BILLION of us doing it.
Man has been killing each other since the beginning of humanity as well, so what's the problem with murder?.......
It's an act of aggression. It's an offensive act.
Justifiable homicide on the other hand, is a defensive act, and perfectly allowable, both morally and legally.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1570 Sep 8, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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There's a huge difference between me and PETA freaks. I actually CARE about the animals, and I'm not opposed to hunting.
<quoted text>
I have to admit Mr. Sheep. You made me laugh at that one.
Thank you, thank you very much.

I'm here all week......

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1571 Sep 8, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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That's nice.
So is this;
The common use of the term "married" as it pertains to human relationships, means a legal marriage.
:<)
Now, look at your script. This is where you say "touche".
Touche.
AnswersRus

Riverton, WY

#1572 Sep 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Touche.
LOL
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1573 Sep 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Maybe we can get them to "self-deport".....
The little birdy aliens don't bother me and others around here near as much as the South American fire ant. I wish they would self-deport. And as the climate warms, they'll be coming to more northern fields and pastures soon.

Anyone who could figure out how to eradicate them would become a very rich man.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1574 Sep 8, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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The little birdy aliens don't bother me and others around here near as much as the South American fire ant. I wish they would self-deport. And as the climate warms, they'll be coming to more northern fields and pastures soon.
Anyone who could figure out how to eradicate them would become a very rich man.
Ah yes, I remember those well from my time in Texas. Isn't there some new swarming colony type ant which is pushing the fire ants out? I remember reading something about them awhile back; they don't really bite humans, but start fires because they congregate in electric boxes etc.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1575 Sep 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Ah yes, I remember those well from my time in Texas. Isn't there some new swarming colony type ant which is pushing the fire ants out? I remember reading something about them awhile back; they don't really bite humans, but start fires because they congregate in electric boxes etc.
I had my neighbor tell me that our local species of ant would displace fire ants, but I haven't seen it.

I know from my HVAC maintenance work that fire ants absolutely pack relay switch boxes and short out the system. All I can think is that the frequency or the burnt copper attracts them.

We have had them in the bed this past week. We had to sleep on the couch one night. Of course (sarcasm alert), like Raptor, I didn't want to kill the precious little things and just tried to bait them and reason with them to move on. I didn't want to go so far as killing them. But tonight, I'm setting the bedroom on fire.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1576 Sep 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Maybe we can get them to "self-deport".....
Yeah, yeah, yeah....real funny. You people may not think they are a big deal, but tell that to the government who used to pay people to eliminate them. And to the Fish and Wildlife Service and the DNR, and all the wildlife agencies who know what an ecological disaster they have been to the natives.
http://www.advertiser-tribune.com/page/conten...

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1577 Sep 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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How do you plan on getting it "underground" without disturbing the soil?
Soil can be replaced and vegetation rejuvenated once the tunnels are in place. If you're worried about the soil, use existing caves....just make sure you can find a safe place to put the bats.

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