Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

Jun 25, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Reuters

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1538 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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It's far more than just agricultural jobs.
I don't really care. If you're too stupid to be able to get a job over an uneducated foreigner, then you're too stupid to hire.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1539 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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LMAO.
I thought you'd say that. Because I feel the same way about wind mills. Only I'd let them do it for $10k,(if they're putting one up nearby regardless).
I could buy a whole lot of brochures and other things for $10K. I could put that money to good use to further help the birds.
Really?

What about the million birdies that will be chopped up by that one wind turbine?

At least we know how much you really value them now- a penny per birdie......

“RELAX”

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Since: Dec 12

EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT

#1540 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Thank you for the link. I do look forward to a trip down there. I only have to decide if I should visit in late summer when the sounds of insects fill the air, prairie plants are tall and in bloom and the fledglings of the year, as well as early migrants, increase the avian population; or in the spring when northbound migrants are moving through and the newly arrived resident birds are on their breeding territories and easier to find as they sing and display to their mates. Both seasons have a special appeal.
What do you recommend?
The tall grass prairie of the flint hills is nice all year round. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/04/tal...

“RELAX”

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EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT

#1541 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I don't really care. If you're too stupid to be able to get a job over an uneducated foreigner, then you're too stupid to hire.


It's a whole new world out there buddy.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1542 Sep 7, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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They can, can they?
The average is only about 1 foot per year. Only one or two varieties of pines in the world can grow as you say, and the only one that commonly meets your stretch of growth per year would be the Afghan Pine, or the Aleppo Pine. Not many of those in your neck of the woods.
The only domestic pine that can hope to meet your 3 feet per year is the White Pine, and it will not grow that fast in the wild. It only grows that fast with individual care and proper fertilizer.
You are correct that some can grow that fast, but you make it sound like it is the norm. That is simply not true. Pines, as a rule are rather slow growing trees.
Key words here: "seedlings" and "average".

The original house, destroyed by the tornado, was built in 1986 in a field that had been used for corn and beans. The rings of the 50-60 foot pines there numbered 24-33 years.

The four pines closest to the house were 60-80 feet tall and rings numbered 32-44 years.

All were mixed, loblolly and longleaf.

Trees, like kids, grow the most in their youth. They slow as they age. Thus average does not tell the story of their first few years.

Several longleafs that I was allowing to grow near the end of my driveway grew about eight feet tall in three years. A line of longleafs my dad planted as one-foot seedlings grew to 25 feet in 15 years.

I must have been wrong about growth of three feet a year. I was going by memory of what I had read and what I had seen.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1543 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Really?
What about the million birdies that will be chopped up by that one wind turbine?
At least we know how much you really value them now- a penny per birdie......
She also has this strange snobbishness about invasive bird species; doesn't care how many of them die.

I'd say, if starlings and house sparrows have been here for more than a hundred years and their numbers are increasing, it's pretty much time to give up on that invasive/non-native theme. I mean, will they be going back to their home continent anytime soon? Has anyone been able to come up with a way to get rid of ALL of them?

I think we can start calling them Americans now.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1544 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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But that might harm the little gophers or the worms......
I said "underground." Not in our soil.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#1545 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So now you're complaining because wind turbines are TOO reliable and don't break down ENOUGH?
Btw, don't forget the destruction of the environment from uranium mining and all the radioactive waste and the potential for environmental catastrophy......
No, I'm questioning the secure jobs wind turbines are supposed to create.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#1546 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Feel free to use a horse & buggy anytime.......
I'm guessing you never fly on airplanes either?
I have no need for a horse and buggy. I drive slow enough to avoid 99.9% of the living thing that might run or fly in front of my vehicle. I'm always watching the sides of the roads and ready to slam on the brakes if need be.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#1547 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Pssst, man has been burning fossil fuels since they discovered how to make fire....
Then what's the problem?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#1548 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I don't really care. If you're too stupid to be able to get a job over an uneducated foreigner, then you're too stupid to hire.
I have no problem with my job. But I know lots of people who were affected by outsourcing to a private company. And it had nothing to do with their level of intelligence.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1549 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Really?
What about the million birdies that will be chopped up by that one wind turbine?
At least we know how much you really value them now- a penny per birdie......
You can stop twisting my words any day now. I NEVER said one turbine WILL kill millions of birds. But one COULD have the potential for mass casualties on a single evening.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1550 Sep 7, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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She also has this strange snobbishness about invasive bird species; doesn't care how many of them die.
I'd say, if starlings and house sparrows have been here for more than a hundred years and their numbers are increasing, it's pretty much time to give up on that invasive/non-native theme. I mean, will they be going back to their home continent anytime soon? Has anyone been able to come up with a way to get rid of ALL of them?
I think we can start calling them Americans now.
Where did I say we should get rid of all of them? I think I said I like House Sparrows. But natives will always take precedence. If I install a bird house, I make sure alien species don't take it over. I've seen people with Purple Martin houses full of aliens sparrows and starlings. That is TOTALLY irresponsible. It's no damn wonder the government always steps into every aspect of our lives! Unfortunately, it affects the responsible people too.

Do you call Emerald Ash Borers "Americans?"

In these parts it's illeagal to move firewood between counties because wildlife officials KNOW aliens should not be permitted to take over. They seem to have learned their lesson about aliens.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1551 Sep 7, 2013
-Dont Panic- wrote:
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The tall grass prairie of the flint hills is nice all year round. http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/04/tal...
Then I guess it calls for one trip per season! Thanks for the idea.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#1552 Sep 8, 2013
Obama opposes the free market exchange of energy and fuel; he wants new climate taxes and government regulations on green house gas emissions.

This is where we differ.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1553 Sep 8, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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She also has this strange snobbishness about invasive bird species; doesn't care how many of them die.
I'd say, if starlings and house sparrows have been here for more than a hundred years and their numbers are increasing, it's pretty much time to give up on that invasive/non-native theme. I mean, will they be going back to their home continent anytime soon? Has anyone been able to come up with a way to get rid of ALL of them?
I think we can start calling them Americans now.
Maybe we can get them to "self-deport".....

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1554 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I said "underground." Not in our soil.
How do you plan on getting it "underground" without disturbing the soil?

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1555 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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No, I'm questioning the secure jobs wind turbines are supposed to create.
Of course you are.....

I thought your only concern was the little birdies?

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1556 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I have no need for a horse and buggy. I drive slow enough to avoid 99.9% of the living thing that might run or fly in front of my vehicle. I'm always watching the sides of the roads and ready to slam on the brakes if need be.
Hmmmmm, so killing 0.01% of all living things is okay?

If that's the case, then there is no reason to oppose wind turbines which kill WAY LESS than 0.01% of living things.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1557 Sep 8, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Then what's the problem?
Pollution, destruction of the environment, etc. Just because we've always done it doesn't mean it's not a problem, especially when there are now 7+ BILLION of us doing it.

Man has been killing each other since the beginning of humanity as well, so what's the problem with murder?.......

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