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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1518 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Most farmers might not rise up against them, but most people aren't farmers.
One thing about most people is that they are sentimental when it comes to animals. I'm going to make a jacket or t-shirt or something that shows one of those decapited birds under a wind turbine with words that read; 'Wind Power- Not Green; Blood RED'
Oh yeah, that's gonna stop GE from putting up more wind turbines.....

Keep tilting Don Quixote!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1519 Sep 7, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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Magnetic fields, sounds, and atmospheric pressure can all be altered by man for certain periods and over varying size areas.
I suppose I should just let you go on and gum flap as you wish. It's a cinch you will continue to obtusely deflect and waste words talking about training every little birdy in the swamps and forests, when you know damn well that is not what I am saying.
Have it your way. I gave up hammering granite a long time ago. When you take a bit in your mouth, no one can stop you from yourself. It's your way or nothing.
Got it.
ciao
Others can
"talking about training every little birdy in the swamps and forests, when you know damn well that is not what I am saying."
I know it's not what you're saying. But THAT is exactly what my CONCERN is!

When I go into the foests and swamps, I WANT the little birdies to be there singing, displaying and living their lives for centuries to come.

In the mountains and forests of Wyoming, there is a little birdie called a Western Tanager. Beautiful little birdie with a bright yellow belly and rump, black back and wings; wings also sporting a white bar across them, and a brilliant red/orange head and face. You may have seen one sitting on a fence one day. Hopefully, someday, it's offspring will alight on that same fence.

If you know how to alter magnetic fields, atmospheric pressure and change sounds to deter birds from the hazards of wind mills and other tall structures, be my guest. Present it to our great president or some wind baron and they will run with it to save the birds. You could then become a millionaire selling your idea and you'll be the hero to all bird and nature lovers and organizations everywhere.

I don't see that happening. I see more and more towers being built without birds and bats being a second thought.

On the way up north last night, another turbine blade was being driven up the ramp on a huge semi truck from I75 at the Sandusky exit.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1520 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I have always maintained the issue is with large structures; be it cell towers, radio/tv towers, skyscrapers, wind turbines, etc. Keep in mind the thread is about global warming, therfore wind turbines are appropriate to reference more so than the other large structures. Also keep in mind wind turbines are the least useful (to most people) out of all of the above AND they are the NEWEST threat- one we should be very cautious of before carelessly moving ahead with them BECAUSE we know what happens at the other tall structures.
Ignorant people are always afraid of "new" technology.

I imagine that same thing said by those afraid of the first horseless carriages.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1521 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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If the job is done within the US, then it hasn't been outsourced.
Tell that to the people that lost their jobs to a private company for lower wages and no benefits. I work with many that have experinced just that recently.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1522 Sep 7, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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Incorrect.
Outsourcing can be when an employer takes a particular function (job) out of the company's employee's hands and has another stateside (meaning within the USA) company perform that function at a lower price or a faster time frame, or whatever the need is at the time.
Outsourcing can be when an outside person is hired instead of an American citizen.
Is not the whole debate over outsourcing the simple fact that American jobs are being lost to foreigners? Why yes. Yes it is.
Since that is true, if a foreigner replaces an American in any job position whatsoever, it does not matter where the physical location of that job is, and that job can appropriately be said to have been "outsourced".
The common use of the term means job is done in another country instead of here.

If you want to claim agricultural jobs in the US have been "outsourced" because non-US citizen migrant workers perform them, feel free.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1523 Sep 7, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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Interesting.
It is in fact the nature of man which was written about in our founding documents. They wrote of principles because principles are a constant and so is the very nature of man.
Note how you threw water on your own nonsense. Is not greed the very thing that Mr. Sheep and myself have been trying to tell you will never change as it is a part of the very nature of man? Why yes. Yes it is.
You will continue to beat your head against the wall on this issue, and continue tilting at windmills, because your own nature dictates you will, apparently.
Greed doesn't have to be part of mans nature. I wouldn't have a wind mill on my property out of greed.

I'd bet Sheeple wouldn't have an oil well on his property if he was offered money.....
would you Sheeple?

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1524 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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What exactly is "regular maintenance" on a wind turbine?
A visit from a turbine guy once a year? twice a year? once a month? How many hours does this maintenence guy work each week?
I would have been happy with a nuclear power plant. The energy is more reliable, cleaner and disturbs fewer acres with increased energy output. And the open water in winter would make for some great birding at that time of year.
So now you're complaining because wind turbines are TOO reliable and don't break down ENOUGH?

Btw, don't forget the destruction of the environment from uranium mining and all the radioactive waste and the potential for environmental catastrophy......

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1525 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Tell that to the people that lost their jobs to a private company for lower wages and no benefits. I work with many that have experinced just that recently.
Okay- Hey, your job wasn't outsourced.

Happy now?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1526 Sep 7, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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Why not go all the way and just throw blood on those in the industry you hate so much? You could then be looked upon as affectionately as the PETA freaks.
There's a huge difference between me and PETA freaks. I actually CARE about the animals, and I'm not opposed to hunting.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1527 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Greed doesn't have to be part of mans nature. I wouldn't have a wind mill on my property out of greed.
I'd bet Sheeple wouldn't have an oil well on his property if he was offered money.....
would you Sheeple?
Depends on how much money.

I'm realistic enough to know that the US will continue to use fossil fuels as our primary source of energy until they become unaffordable for the average sheeple.

So if someone offered me a billion dollars to put an oil well on my property, I'd take it in a heartbeat. Then I'd turn around and use that money to help America transition to renewable energy while we still can.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1528 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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There's a huge difference between me and PETA freaks. I actually CARE about the animals, and I'm not opposed to hunting.
So since I "care about the people", can I hunt them too?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1529 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Oh yeah, that's gonna stop GE from putting up more wind turbines.....
Keep tilting Don Quixote!
No, it won't stop more wind turbines from going up. But it WILL get the message out to more people about the true nature of an "alleged" clean source of energy.

I find most people like birds and wouldn't be happy about some of the mass casualty occurances- if they only knew.

My ultimate hope would be that more people would rise up against wind farms in their areas, >OR< some intelligent individual (like this Answers guy) who sees my jacket will be the one to come up with a viable idea to make them bird friendly.

Underground wind tunnels maybe??? Who knows?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1530 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Ignorant people are always afraid of "new" technology.
I imagine that same thing said by those afraid of the first horseless carriages.
Oh yeah, you must mean those vehicles responsible for the mass casualties daily of birds, animals AND humans!?
Yeah...great invention that was, huh?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1531 Sep 7, 2013
Isn't that also about the time we started burning all those nasty fossil fuels you rail against?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1532 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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The common use of the term means job is done in another country instead of here.
If you want to claim agricultural jobs in the US have been "outsourced" because non-US citizen migrant workers perform them, feel free.
It's far more than just agricultural jobs.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1533 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Depends on how much money.
I'm realistic enough to know that the US will continue to use fossil fuels as our primary source of energy until they become unaffordable for the average sheeple.
So if someone offered me a billion dollars to put an oil well on my property, I'd take it in a heartbeat. Then I'd turn around and use that money to help America transition to renewable energy while we still can.
LMAO.
I thought you'd say that. Because I feel the same way about wind mills. Only I'd let them do it for $10k,(if they're putting one up nearby regardless).
I could buy a whole lot of brochures and other things for $10K. I could put that money to good use to further help the birds.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#1534 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So since I "care about the people", can I hunt them too?
You do whatever your little heart desires. Then you can rail for wind mills from prison.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1535 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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No, it won't stop more wind turbines from going up. But it WILL get the message out to more people about the true nature of an "alleged" clean source of energy.
I find most people like birds and wouldn't be happy about some of the mass casualty occurances- if they only knew.
My ultimate hope would be that more people would rise up against wind farms in their areas, >OR< some intelligent individual (like this Answers guy) who sees my jacket will be the one to come up with a viable idea to make them bird friendly.
Underground wind tunnels maybe??? Who knows?
But that might harm the little gophers or the worms......

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1536 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Oh yeah, you must mean those vehicles responsible for the mass casualties daily of birds, animals AND humans!?
Yeah...great invention that was, huh?
Feel free to use a horse & buggy anytime.......

I'm guessing you never fly on airplanes either?

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1537 Sep 7, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
Isn't that also about the time we started burning all those nasty fossil fuels you rail against?
Pssst, man has been burning fossil fuels since they discovered how to make fire....

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