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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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#1356 Sep 4, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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There were no doors and very few windows installed at the time. My ceiling ridge is 14 feet, which is where the birds flew looking for a way out. I didn't have a net or a pole that long, little girl. If they had found the doors again, they would have been free. The sparrow did.
I wonder how many hummingbirds and sparrows the tornado killed.
You've obviously never been through a disaster. You must not ever have built a house. You hang the doors and set the windows when it's time, not because a little birdie strayed in. You seem to be very far removed from reality. Needless to say, I was trying to get a roof back over my head; I had other stuff to worry about other than a couple of fuggin birds.
I haven't done much to my yard, and don't plan to. I've got wildlife habitat out the adze for all the little animals. Consider it restitution, if you want. I hope you can forgive me, like I'm worried if you don't.
"You've obviously never been through a disaster."
Straight line winds came through here a few years ago. Knocked down three giant spruces and a pine in my yard, as well as lots of trees that line the dirt road I live on. One tree grazed my roof and did some damage to the gutter. Yeah, I had other things to worry about too, but the first thing I did was check near and under the trees as best I could for little baby birds that might have fallen from nests.

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#1357 Sep 4, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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Canada.....2011, 2012
Alaska.....2010
Canada.....2007
Alaska.....2006, 2004, 2001
Canada.....2000
You wanna really see some spills, go to Louisiana, "the sportsman's paradise". They spew it all over the wildlife habitat down there.
You been living under a rock?
I have no clue what your numbers represent.
Again, how much damage was done by earthquakes to the pipelines? How much oil leaked?

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#1358 Sep 4, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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You can't prevent an oil-soaked bird unless your out there at an oil spill catching every pelican and gull and duck that tries to land on the water. Idiot.
You can calm them down, huh? You must be the bird whisperer.
You just contradicting the statements of trained veterinarians who were onsite at Darkwater Horizon. I guess you're a PhD in avian behavior and biology.
Our neo-tropical migrant songbirds (the ones I've been referring to) are not landing on the water in the Gulf. Like I said, it's only the big species that that you can easily see you seem concerned about.

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#1359 Sep 4, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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OOOOOOO....government paid employees.
Agents of Satan!
I never said that. But I'm sure they would like to stay employed.

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#1360 Sep 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have any proof the manufacture and maintenance of solar panels and wind turbines doesn't cause more pollution than fossil fuel? We already know, green energy is more expensive and less efficient; the hidden costs to renewable energy are greater than the hidden costs of fossil fuel.
Yes, I have all the proof I need that fossil fuel production & use causes more pollution than renewable energy. So do all the scientists.

Btw, oil was once more expensive and less efficient than burning coal; and coal was once more expensive and less efficient than burning wood, but through mass production & govt backed monopolies & tax breaks, the prices & efficiencies of oil & coal got to where they are now.

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#1361 Sep 4, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Not part of the argument. You are diverting.
But man-made oil spills, occurring every day, are part of the argument...... no diverting allowed.
It's not a diversion at all. You seem to think that if we stop drilling and using our fossil fuel resources, they will simply disappear. That's not the case.

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#1362 Sep 4, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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I have to give you credit for coming up with a new angle. A fossil-fuel proponent with a "love" of birds (but not starlings or house sparrows {unless one of her opponents captures one in an incomplete house}), who uses her bleeding-heart attitude to put down wind turbines no matter what arguments or facts are presented. There is absolutely no doubt that you're a climate change denier; you just have feathers.
You don't know of any deaths (human) from fossil fuel use, when uncountable numbers of people have died in coal mines, refinery explosions, home gasoline accidents, car wrecks, and drilling rigs.
It's obvious that you're not a deep thinker, little girl.
One thing you CANNOT do is read people. Especially people you don't know personally. I am a bird watcher/nature photographer concerned about healthy NATIVE ecosystems. I support our NATIVE wildlife. I landscape for NATIVE wildlife using NATIVE vegetation. House Sparrows are not NATIVE birds. But I don't hate them. I don't kill them and I don't want to see any die. They're cute and I enjoy watching them. I would help one in need of help, but I do not worry about their populations. They are doing fine. I do not let them nest in my bird houses because they are agressive and kill native cavity nesters. Native wildlife always takes precedence over non-natives. That's why native birds are federally protected.

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#1363 Sep 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Oh, you mean like those strict laws in Alaska & the Gulf Coast and Yellowstone which prevented all those........
Oh wait, no they DIDN'T prevent those spills.
Drilling is the problem, not to location.
Drilling was not the problem. Improper safety measures were the problem.

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#1364 Sep 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No, they're not okay at all, which is why I support moving as quickly as possible to all electric vehicles.
They're not okay at all, but you still use them.
Okaaaaaaay!

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#1365 Sep 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Gee, I've walked by NUMEROUS tall structures and I've NEVER seen a dead bird.
Oh, you must hang out under skyscrapers, cell towers, radio towers and wind turbines, eh?

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#1366 Sep 4, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Here's a new one:
And cutting short-lived pollutants would also protect human health - six million people worldwide die early every year from air pollution, it said.
"First aid for the climate can also be first aid for people's health," Norwegian Environment Minister Baard Vegar Soljhell said.
Reducing pollutants "can also help rural economies, with current estimates showing the potential to save about 50 million tonnes of crops each year", the statement said. Pollution poisons plants and can block sunlight, stunting growth.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/03/cli...
Could you at least post some photos of those "stunted growth" trees caused by air pollution?

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#1367 Sep 4, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Spills occur naturally? Yes green power is part of living with some of our feathered friends going bump in the night. Your not as smart as a fifth grader. Donít try refuge on mars you would be rejected.
It's far more than just "some" for an industry that claims to be green.
If it was just "some," I wouldn't be adamently speaking out against it.

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#1368 Sep 4, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Drilling was not the problem. Improper safety measures were the problem.
No, drilling IS the problem, because it can't be done safely 100% of the time.

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#1369 Sep 4, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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They're not okay at all, but you still use them.
Okaaaaaaay!
Thanks to the oil/gas baron's monopoly most people don't have much of a choice but to use gasoline fueled vehicles.

I use mine as little as possible.

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#1370 Sep 4, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Oh, you must hang out under skyscrapers, cell towers, radio towers and wind turbines, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =qtb8WcZBT5IXX
All the time, and I've never seen a single dead bird.

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#1371 Sep 4, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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It's far more than just "some" for an industry that claims to be green.
If it was just "some," I wouldn't be adamently speaking out against it.
Sure you would, because you have an anti-wind turbine agenda. If it wasn't a few birdies dying, it would be the "noise" generated, or the "view" being obstructed, or some other nonsense.

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#1372 Sep 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No, drilling IS the problem, because it can't be done safely 100% of the time.
NOTHING can be safely 100% of the time.

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#1373 Sep 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Sure you would, because you have an anti-wind turbine agenda. If it wasn't a few birdies dying, it would be the "noise" generated, or the "view" being obstructed, or some other nonsense.
None of that is nonsense when you are the one that has to live near it.

I'd rather look at this:
http://www.bing.com/images/search...

Than this:
http://www.bing.com/images/search...

First one is quieter too and it won't give you turbine syndrome.

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#1374 Sep 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Sure you would, because you have an anti-wind turbine agenda. If it wasn't a few birdies dying, it would be the "noise" generated, or the "view" being obstructed, or some other nonsense.
BTW, if they weren't such a hazard to birds,(and a huge wildlife habitat destroyer) I'd have no problem with the noise or obstructed view. I just simply wouldn't live near them. I don't like noise and I love beautiful views of the horizon.

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#1375 Sep 4, 2013
I'd like to know the odds of some night migrating bird running into one of those turbines in the last photo I posted.

If the lights are on, it's almost a guarantee.

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