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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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#1252 Aug 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Correct, I won't be satisfied until every coal/oil/gas company either pays the TRILLIONS they have been forgiven in environmental damage or are put out of business. On a related topic, gas prices jumped 30 cents a gallon overnight just because it's a holiday weekend. And the sheeple gladly line up to pay the higher amount.
Why? They provide fuel, they don't burn it.

That's us, when we need to light our way, pass on an idea or watch entertainment. We burn oil, coal and gas when we drive, build or buy. We release carbon dioxide by living and growing.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#1253 Aug 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Right, they have a monopoly, just like I said.
Like the overwhelming majority of Americans, I have but 1 company to get my cable service from. That's a monopoly. No different than if all 4 gas stations in town were owned by the same company.
It's a monopoly.
Wrong again. The overwhelming majority of Americans can choose from multiple providers for television programming. Most Americans again based on the economic realities of their location have at least 1 cable company, two satellite providers, off air, Verizon FiOS and several internet services available to choose from. While like petroleum products are the most popular for most energy needs and cable may be the best choice for the majority of people. That does not make either a monopoly. There are other choices available.
My water and sewer provider has a monopoly. I, by law as a property owner, have to use their services and there is, by law no other competitive service. My electric transmission company has a monopoly but I can chose who I buy my electric from.
Understand?

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Let it out

#1254 Aug 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Right, they have a monopoly, just like I said.
Like the overwhelming majority of Americans, I have but 1 company to get my cable service from. That's a monopoly. No different than if all 4 gas stations in town were owned by the same company.
It's a monopoly.
The same devise you use to post on these threads can be used to cut the cord on your cable company. You do have internet ... don't you?

https://www.google.com/#q=streaming+tv&tb...

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Let it out

#1255 Aug 30, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again. The overwhelming majority of Americans can choose from multiple providers for television programming. Most Americans again based on the economic realities of their location have at least 1 cable company, two satellite providers, off air, Verizon FiOS and several internet services available to choose from. While like petroleum products are the most popular for most energy needs and cable may be the best choice for the majority of people. That does not make either a monopoly. There are other choices available.
My water and sewer provider has a monopoly. I, by law as a property owner, have to use their services and there is, by law no other competitive service. My electric transmission company has a monopoly but I can chose who I buy my electric from.
Understand?
You could drill a well for water and install a septic field for sewage.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1256 Aug 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Why? They provide fuel, they don't burn it.
That's us, when we need to light our way, pass on an idea or watch entertainment. We burn oil, coal and gas when we drive, build or buy. We release carbon dioxide by living and growing.
So we shouldn't prosecute drug dealers because they just provide the drugs but don't use it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1257 Aug 30, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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Wrong again. The overwhelming majority of Americans can choose from multiple providers for television programming. Most Americans again based on the economic realities of their location have at least 1 cable company, two satellite providers, off air, Verizon FiOS and several internet services available to choose from. While like petroleum products are the most popular for most energy needs and cable may be the best choice for the majority of people. That does not make either a monopoly. There are other choices available.
My water and sewer provider has a monopoly. I, by law as a property owner, have to use their services and there is, by law no other competitive service. My electric transmission company has a monopoly but I can chose who I buy my electric from.
Understand?
You can drill your own well, put in a septic tank, and generate your own electricity, so by your own logic they don't have a monopoly either.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1258 Aug 30, 2013
-Dont Panic- wrote:
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The same devise you use to post on these threads can be used to cut the cord on your cable company. You do have internet ... don't you?
https://www.google.com/#q=streaming+tv&tb...
It's still a monopoly on cable service.

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SE Michigan

#1259 Aug 30, 2013
-Dont Panic- wrote:
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Five billion birds die in this nation every year. If that was the only part of the equation, we might have reason to believe that we should do something drastic to stop all these birds from dieing.
The problem with saying that five billion birds die is ignoring the fact that 10 billion birds are breeding each year and there are 20 billion birds are in the country just during the fall season.
Just because you see a flock of 2 million European Starlings does NOT mean our bird populations are healthy.

No offense, SIR, but YOU are truly an uneducated idiot. You know NOT ONE DAMN THING about birds, as evidenced by this post. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt since I realize you may have been in a hurry, tired or drunk when you wrote this.

Would you please explain your numbers in more detail.... since these numbers are extremely generalized. For instance, the majority of songbirds (the ones that most people see and encounter in cities, suburbs and farms everyday) are the non-migratory, over-abundant and non-native European Starlings, House Sparrows and Rock Doves. The numbers you present most likely takes THESE birds into account. But it is not THESE birds I'm concerned about. It is not THESE birds that are slamming into towers in the dead of night. For the most part, THESE non-native birds do not even migrate. It is our "other" birds- "good" birds we are slaughtering. THOSE are the birds I'm concerned about.

Maybe you could post statistics on THOSE birds. You know, the warblers, vireos, thrushes, buntings, grosbeaks, orioles, tanagers, cuckoos, flycatchers, kinglets, NATIVE sparrows, wrens, gnatcatchers, finches, swifts, swallows, nightjars, thrashers, and others that do NOT number in the billions- unless combined.

Maybe you could tell us all how many Cerulean Warblers there are. Kirtland's Warblers. How many Wood Thrushes. What about Black-billed Cuckoos? Maybe you could tell us how much these species populations have declined PER YEAR for the past forty years? When is the last time you saw a Golden-winged Warbler? I saw ONE this spring. First one in over a decade.

Personally, I get tired of reading about population declines, some severe, of many of these species. And then reading about how many hundreds, or thousands, are found dead under towers following a night of migration. It is SICKENING!! If you've never seen these birds, you won't give a crap. I have and I do!
-Dont Panic- wrote:
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Every bird that hatches will die at one point or another. Many die learning how to fly. Others die from eating something that they shouldn't have eaten. Birds kill each other all the time. They fly into buildings, they fly into power lines, they fly into oncoming traffic. Birds are stupid. That's why we call idiots "Bird Brains".
No, Sir, it is YOU that is stupid. Anyone that would make such an idiotic statement HASTA be stupid! I will now educate you- somewhat.

Birds are extremely intelligent. There; now you know the truth.

I won't waste my time with the details, because there is SO MUCH for you to learn. Much more than I could teach you here with only 791 character left.

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SE Michigan

#1260 Aug 30, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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Talk about narrow-minded!
The rain forests are succumbing to our desire for wood. Look up luaun. And it's only one of the woods we are clearing the Southern Hemisphere of. Amazingly, they are even logging for pulpwood.
They are succumbing to the increasing worldwide desire for beef. They think they can convert the forests into pastureland, but it doesn't work that well in the Amazon. Same with farming-another reason-and not just coffee.
Mining, for gold, for oil, for copper, and the roads that go with that industry, are HUGE reasons the rainforests are disappearing. And the one sure thing we know about the mining of oil is that soil contamination is a far too common result, and that affects every species because it spreads to the nears stream or river. That's not land...that's water that's destroyed.
We lost our prairies to those "amber waves of grain". Yes, did you think the natural condition from Illinois to Colorado was corn? Agriculture took over the prairie.
So, not drinking coffee just isn't enough. You'll need to give up lumber, paper, beef, bananas, and gold, too.
Tell us how wind farms destroy prairie. Does the construction of a wind farm require the removal of as much soil as your average strip mine?
Are you a girl?
I don't propose humans stop living. I don't propose humans stop lumbering, mining, farming or eating beef. I don't even propose we tear down all wind turbines. But we have been irresponsible in nearly everything we've done. And wind farms are just exploding in numbers faster than we can protect the animals they're killing.

"Tell us how wind farms destroy prairie."
Better yet, you tell us how a wind farm DOESN'T destroy prairie.

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#1261 Aug 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Then you certainly can't support any fossil fuel use or nukes, since that does more harm by far to humans, wildlife, and the environment.
So that leaves you with just solar, geothermal, & tidal power.
Btw, it's referred to as renewable energy primarily because it is a renewable energy source and not limited by a finite supply of resources. while no energy source is 100% "green" or "clean", renewables are multiple times greener & cleaner than any fossil fuel.
I wish I could believe that. But you can't put a bird back together that's been knocked out of the sky or sliced by a wind turbine. You CAN wash oil off a bird and have it fully recover.

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#1262 Aug 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So much for your supporting freedom. I guess that only applies to things you agree with, just like most people.
I see NO REASON why ANYONE needs a vehicle that gets 10mpg, but I don't support banning them. I prefer charging them an appropriate amount for the damage they do via gas prices, vehicle licensing, etc.
Unfortunately killing for entertainment is prevalent in nature.
Remember that when you buy your motorhome. Unless, of course, you can find one that gets 50mpg. If you can charge people for the "damage" they do to the environment because of their gas mileage, you should also give refunds for the ways they "help" the environment, correct? My truck only gets 14mpg, but I do other things that have a positive effect.

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SE Michigan

#1263 Aug 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And tomorrow never comes if we don't use the existing technology to provide renewable energy.
Enough solar energy strikes the surface of the earth in ONE HOUR to power the ENTIRE PLANET for an ENTIRE YEAR.
All we have to do is manufacture the solar panels & related infrastructure to collect, store, & transport that energy to where it is needed.
Of course the coal/oil/gas barons & their boosters will continue insisting renewable technology isn't ready; that's how they maintain their monopoly on energy production.
Cool. Let's clear the planet of all trees and harness solar power EVERYWHERE!!

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#1264 Aug 31, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
So we shouldn't prosecute drug dealers because they just provide the drugs but don't use it.
Fossil fuels aren't illegal; they are highly taxed and regulated. We should decriminalize our fuel and energy use; we want a policy that encourages the production and use of energy and fuel. Conservation is like treating fossil fuel as if they are illegal drugs.

Don't be a hater; join our economy and have some fun. Don't be afraid of CO2, that's just part of life.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1265 Aug 31, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I wish I could believe that. But you can't put a bird back together that's been knocked out of the sky or sliced by a wind turbine. You CAN wash oil off a bird and have it fully recover.
buildings kill far, far more birds than wind turbines. if you really know as much about birds as you imply, you would know turbines are not that damaging to most bird populations...
PHD

North Richland Hills, TX

#1266 Aug 31, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Remember that when you buy your motorhome. Unless, of course, you can find one that gets 50mpg. If you can charge people for the "damage" they do to the environment because of their gas mileage, you should also give refunds for the ways they "help" the environment, correct? My truck only gets 14mpg, but I do other things that have a positive effect.
You never answered the question. Your part of the problem without a solution. Your like the dog that chases its tale and can't seem to catch it. Why don't you admit your real story is some wild political agenda.Hay at 14 mpg what kind of a rebate do you get from your friends that spill oil?
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1267 Aug 31, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I don't propose humans stop living. I don't propose humans stop lumbering, mining, farming or eating beef. I don't even propose we tear down all wind turbines. But we have been irresponsible in nearly everything we've done. And wind farms are just exploding in numbers faster than we can protect the animals they're killing.
"Tell us how wind farms destroy prairie."
Better yet, you tell us how a wind farm DOESN'T destroy prairie.
I'm waiting.

Tell us how wind farms destroy prairie.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1268 Aug 31, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Fossil fuels aren't illegal...
We should decriminalize our fuel...
Confused again?

Or maybe I should say, "Haven't overcome your lifelong confusion yet?"

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1269 Aug 31, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I wish I could believe that. But you can't put a bird back together that's been knocked out of the sky or sliced by a wind turbine. You CAN wash oil off a bird and have it fully recover.
No, you really DON'T want to believe it.

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#1271 Aug 31, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Remember that when you buy your motorhome. Unless, of course, you can find one that gets 50mpg. If you can charge people for the "damage" they do to the environment because of their gas mileage, you should also give refunds for the ways they "help" the environment, correct? My truck only gets 14mpg, but I do other things that have a positive effect.
Nope, no refunds just for doing the right thing.

Just as you are penalized if you commit a crime, but don't get a refund for not committing a crime.

The reward is doing the right thing.

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#1272 Aug 31, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Cool. Let's clear the planet of all trees and harness solar power EVERYWHERE!!
Unnecessary. We can harness all solar energy we could ever use without cutting down a single tree.

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