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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1232 Aug 28, 2013
Responsible wrote:
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So how do you plan to deal with the environmental impact of the chemical waste produce by the manufacture and disposal of solar panels, batteries
The same way we deal with the environmental impact of the chemical waste produced by any other industry.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1233 Aug 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If tomorrow never comes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =S4kzGhDEURAXX
All you need to do is manufacture the solar panels & related infrastructure to collect, store, & transport that energy to where it is needed, I'm perfectly happy with fossil fuel. Whale oil hunters didn't help install electrical generators; why do you need me?
Nobody's stopping you from buying or selling solar panels, just stop using taxpayer's money to do it.
Sure, as soon as the oil/coal/gas industry stops using taxpayer money.....

Sometimes the sheeple have to be forced to do what is right. This is one of those times.

Just as we had to ban whaling, eventually we'll have to ban coal oil & gas, but not till "tomorrow".....
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1234 Aug 28, 2013
A possible way to continue burning fossil fuel, harvesting the waste CO2, and generating more electricity.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/waste-co2-...

OF COURSE, this would take investment, research, trial-and-error, and will to test.

One group who should be interested in pursuing this, and has the funds for R&D, is the fossil fuel industry itself.

A pipe dream, but many things have started as pipe dreams.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#1235 Aug 29, 2013
More jobs were lost in Obama's recovery than in Bush's recession. See both gcaveman's citation above for proofm of Obama's miserable jobs performance.
Jeff

Beckley, WV

#1236 Aug 29, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Sure, as soon as the oil/coal/gas industry stops using taxpayer money.....
You mean like "green" energy is subsidized out the wazoo?

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#1237 Aug 29, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Sure, as soon as the oil/coal/gas industry stops using taxpayer money.....
The oil/coal/gas industries pay billions in taxes; why shouldn't we have the right to use some of it? Whenever you buy or sell fossil fuel, you pay taxes. That's the difference between practical energy and green or renewable energy; people choose fossil fuel because they work.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
Sometimes the sheeple have to be forced to do what is right. This is one of those times.
The left likes to force people to do what's right; that's in their DNA.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
Just as we had to ban whaling, eventually we'll have to ban coal oil & gas, but not till "tomorrow".....
We stopped whaling because we killed off the biggest species. Species extinction is a real thing, just not through global warming but through hunting and fishing.

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#1238 Aug 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
More jobs were lost in Obama's recovery than in Bush's recession. See both gcaveman's citation above for proofm of Obama's miserable jobs performance.
BO will be remembered as the driver of the new part-time workforce and nanny state. What a legacy.
SpaceBlues

United States

#1239 Aug 29, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>BO will be remembered as the driver of the new part-time workforce and nanny state. What a legacy.
Lame, too lame. What was started before him ...

Have you seen this?

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs/bi...

One of the world's largest open-pit mines delves into Utah's Oquirrh Mountains. The Bingham Canyon Mine is four kilometers wide and reaches nearly a kilometer deep. You could stack two of Chicago's Sears Tower (now called Willis Tower) one atop another inside the yawning pit.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1240 Aug 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If tomorrow never comes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =S4kzGhDEURAXX
All you need to do is manufacture the solar panels & related infrastructure to collect, store, & transport that energy to where it is needed, I'm perfectly happy with fossil fuel. Whale oil hunters didn't help install electrical generators; why do you need me?
Nobody's stopping you from buying or selling solar panels, just stop using taxpayer's money to do it.
And nuclear? How do you feel about that?

California’s nuclear energy industry has received four times more federal support than the state’s distributed solar builders over a period six times as long, according to a new report.

“California’s nuclear power suppliers have benefited from over $8.21 billion (in 2012 dollars) in subsidization over the last half century,” according to the report Ask Saint Onofrio: Finding What Has Been Lost in a Tale of Two Energy Sources by Nancy E. Pfund and Noah W. Walker of Silicon Valley venture capital firm DBL Investors.

Distributed solar systems, they found, have earned $2.17 billion in tax credits or direct payments through 2012 from the federal investment tax credit (ITC) and the 1603 Treasury Grant programs, which began in 2007.

The legislators who passed the Price-Anderson Act expected it to sunset after ten years, yet it is authorized through 2020, Pfund, DBL’s Managing Partner, observed.“Federal subsidies were necessary and highly effective for the early growth of the nuclear industry,” she explained. But they have become “a perpetuity.”

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1241 Aug 29, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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You mean like "green" energy is subsidized out the wazoo?
No, I mean like coal & oil & gas are subsidized out the wazoo AND given a defacto monopoly on energy production.

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#1242 Aug 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The oil/coal/gas industries pay billions in taxes; why shouldn't we have the right to use some of it? Whenever you buy or sell fossil fuel, you pay taxes. That's the difference between practical energy and green or renewable energy; people choose fossil fuel because they work.
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<quoted text>The left likes to force people to do what's right; that's in their DNA.
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<quoted text>We stopped whaling because we killed off the biggest species. Species extinction is a real thing, just not through global warming but through hunting and fishing.
The oil/coal/gas industries are forgiven TRILLIONS in environmental damage and get special access to federal (read taxpayer) lands for a token fee.

People "choose" fossil fuels because most don't have the choice thanks to the defacto monopoly fossil fuels have on energy production. It like saying you have a "choice" of which cable company to use, when only one company services your area by mutual agreement between cable companies (i.e. defacto monopoly).

Yes, if you're too stupid to do what is right, then we will have to force you. Just like we were forced to make laws against murder and robbery and rape etc, because some people were too stupid to do what was right. Should we have allowed people to murder, rob, rape, etc without consequence just because they wanted to?

More species have gone extinct due to changes in the earth's environment LONG before man ever came along to hunt them into extinction.

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#1243 Aug 29, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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She should also be concerned about climate change making thunderstorms more severe. According to ornithologists on the Weather Channel's show on Earth's craziest weather last night, hundreds or thousands of birds are killed with every large thunderstorm.
Will she lobby for laws against thunderstorms? She might.
Or hailstones? Hailstones kill birds and destroy nests. Birds who find a nice shelter from the storms survive. The bases of the wind turbines provide shelter from wind and hail. Birds just love them!

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#1244 Aug 30, 2013
So, tell STS about the billions fossil fuel pays in taxes every year and he makes up bigger 'costs' to the environment. Some poeple are never satisfied.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#1245 Aug 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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The oil/coal/gas industries are forgiven TRILLIONS in environmental damage and get special access to federal (read taxpayer) lands for a token fee.
People "choose" fossil fuels because most don't have the choice thanks to the defacto monopoly fossil fuels have on energy production. It like saying you have a "choice" of which cable company to use, when only one company services your area by mutual agreement between cable companies (i.e. defacto monopoly).
Yes, if you're too stupid to do what is right, then we will have to force you. Just like we were forced to make laws against murder and robbery and rape etc, because some people were too stupid to do what was right. Should we have allowed people to murder, rob, rape, etc without consequence just because they wanted to?
More species have gone extinct due to changes in the earth's environment LONG before man ever came along to hunt them into extinction.
More misinformed BS. Since obviously you are again commenting on something you know nothing about I will once again provide you with the facts to ignore. Cable companies are awarded a franchise by the municipal government of a particular area. The terms of the franchise agreement are negotiated between the municipal government and the cable companies. It has nothing to do with an agreement between cable companies or any other corporate conspiracy. As an example in my area I can choose from two cable companies, two satellite providers and Verizon FiOS which is basically a third cable company. If you want a choice all you need to do is push your municipal officials to open the franchise. Of course if you live in an area that economically cannot support more than one cable provider no other company will invest millions of dollars to provide service.
As for your comments about allowing people to rob, rape, murder etc. without consequences that is exactly what we do with illegal aliens. Not only do they not suffer any consequences for their crimes they are actually rewarded in many cases.
I do have to agree with you that the environment of the planet changed long before the use of fossil fuels and the concept of global warming was invented.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1246 Aug 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
So, tell STS about the billions fossil fuel pays in taxes every year and he makes up bigger 'costs' to the environment. Some poeple are never satisfied.
Correct, I won't be satisfied until every coal/oil/gas company either pays the TRILLIONS they have been forgiven in environmental damage or are put out of business.

On a related topic, gas prices jumped 30 cents a gallon overnight just because it's a holiday weekend. And the sheeple gladly line up to pay the higher amount.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1247 Aug 30, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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More misinformed BS. Since obviously you are again commenting on something you know nothing about I will once again provide you with the facts to ignore. Cable companies are awarded a franchise by the municipal government of a particular area. The terms of the franchise agreement are negotiated between the municipal government and the cable companies. It has nothing to do with an agreement between cable companies or any other corporate conspiracy. As an example in my area I can choose from two cable companies, two satellite providers and Verizon FiOS which is basically a third cable company. If you want a choice all you need to do is push your municipal officials to open the franchise. Of course if you live in an area that economically cannot support more than one cable provider no other company will invest millions of dollars to provide service.
As for your comments about allowing people to rob, rape, murder etc. without consequences that is exactly what we do with illegal aliens. Not only do they not suffer any consequences for their crimes they are actually rewarded in many cases.
I do have to agree with you that the environment of the planet changed long before the use of fossil fuels and the concept of global warming was invented.
A govt approved monopoly is still a monopoly.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#1248 Aug 30, 2013
Five providers is a monopoly? Actually since I have the choice of putting up an antenna I have 6 choices. Not to mention internet TV.
Back to the point. Just like immigration on this subject you do not know what you are talking about.
You said,”It(is)like saying you have a "choice" of which cable company to use, when only one company services your area by mutual agreement between cable companies"
You say the cable companies have a mutual agreement with each other to limit service areas when in fact it is up to the voters, elected officials and the economics. It can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions per mile to install a broadband network and while you seem to oppose companies making a profit, investors will not put money in to a project that is bound to lose money.
The people in my area believe in competition and have provided a large enough economic base to allow for multiple providers to thrive. You live in an area that the people have decided to not allow competition and/or they do not provide a large enough economic base to support competition.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1249 Aug 30, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
Five providers is a monopoly? Actually since I have the choice of putting up an antenna I have 6 choices. Not to mention internet TV.
Back to the point. Just like immigration on this subject you do not know what you are talking about.
You said,”It(is)like saying you have a "choice" of which cable company to use, when only one company services your area by mutual agreement between cable companies"
You say the cable companies have a mutual agreement with each other to limit service areas when in fact it is up to the voters, elected officials and the economics. It can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions per mile to install a broadband network and while you seem to oppose companies making a profit, investors will not put money in to a project that is bound to lose money.
The people in my area believe in competition and have provided a large enough economic base to allow for multiple providers to thrive. You live in an area that the people have decided to not allow competition and/or they do not provide a large enough economic base to support competition.
Right, they have a monopoly, just like I said.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#1250 Aug 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Right, they have a monopoly, just like I said.
Since you do not seem to understand the definition

mo·nop·o·ly
/m&#601;&#712;näp& #601;l&#275;/
noun
noun: monopoly;&#8195;plural noun: monopolies;&#8195;noun: Monopoly
1. the exclusive possession or control of the supply or trade in a commodity or service.

I know the dictionary is wrong and you are right. LOL

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1251 Aug 30, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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Since you do not seem to understand the definition
mo·nop·o·ly
/m&#601;&#712;näp& #601;l&#275;/
noun
noun: monopoly;&#8195;plural noun: monopolies;&#8195;noun: Monopoly
1. the exclusive possession or control of the supply or trade in a commodity or service.
I know the dictionary is wrong and you are right. LOL
Right, they have a monopoly, just like I said.

Like the overwhelming majority of Americans, I have but 1 company to get my cable service from. That's a monopoly. No different than if all 4 gas stations in town were owned by the same company.

It's a monopoly.

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