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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1212 Aug 27, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Funny how what USED TO BE called "green" or "clean" energy is now being called RENEWABLE energy.
Suddenly it isn't so green anymore, huh?
I'll take the energy source that does the least harm to humans AND wildlife. If wind wasn't so devastating to wildlife, it would have potential. Until then....I'll continue to speak out against it and pass the word to other Sheeple.
Then you certainly can't support any fossil fuel use or nukes, since that does more harm by far to humans, wildlife, and the environment.

So that leaves you with just solar, geothermal, & tidal power.

Btw, it's referred to as renewable energy primarily because it is a renewable energy source and not limited by a finite supply of resources. while no energy source is 100% "green" or "clean", renewables are multiple times greener & cleaner than any fossil fuel.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1213 Aug 27, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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So far, it is the ONLY thing on my list that I would ban....from the general public anyway.
I see NO REASON why ANYONE needs fireworks. Most people are ignorant...as is proven on Topix daily....as to the consequences of their actions. How many babies are abandoned because the parents get scared out of their wits when a**holes light their loud fireworks? Is it cool that babies will die a slow death because of a stupid human that's gets their jollies from a loud bang? How many blackbird incidents are their like the one we heard about in AR? It isn't enough that everything we do to survive kills wildlife by the billions, but we have to kill for entertainment as well.... IF you consider loud bangs entertainment! I don't.
So much for your supporting freedom. I guess that only applies to things you agree with, just like most people.

I see NO REASON why ANYONE needs a vehicle that gets 10mpg, but I don't support banning them. I prefer charging them an appropriate amount for the damage they do via gas prices, vehicle licensing, etc.

Unfortunately killing for entertainment is prevalent in nature.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1214 Aug 27, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I have yet to provide total numbers of kills at turbines at all. I HAVE provided very limited KNOWN turbine kills in this country. I HAVE provided websites with ESTIMATES of total kills (which vary greatly). I HAVE provided examples of hushed up kills. I HAVE provided real numbers (HUGE NUMBERS) of MULTIPLE known fatalities from (similar height and lighting) cell towers, radio towers and skyscrapers. I HAVE provided estimates of bird kills in countries that have heavy wind energy usage.
Most importantly, I HAVE provided facts of birds and bird migration and explained how and why bird fatalities could have the potential to MASSIVE, especially as more and more turbines are built all over the country.
Estimates, potential, etc.

Very little hard facts from unbiased sources.

“Club Fed or Camp Cupcake?”

Since: Oct 10

White-Collar Minimum-Security

#1215 Aug 27, 2013
Bird death and wind turbines: a look at the evidence
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/04/wind-...
There is evidence to show that in certain, specific locations windfarms have caused significant fatalities amongst birds of prey - but there doesn't seem to be any evidence supporting the conclusion that birds of prey will be 'massacred' on a wider scale. The few studies on windfarm siting are also encouraging, indicating that it can be used as an effective tool to reduce mortality. Compared to other aspects of modern society, careful planning can lead to much-reduced mortality.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#1216 Aug 27, 2013
So, Obama takes on these big corporations, like health insurance companies and energy producers; then prices rise. Like magic!

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#1217 Aug 27, 2013
And, they make big campaign contributions to the Democratic Party; at least somebody's making money.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#1218 Aug 27, 2013
Oil isn't liquid greed. The people who make money buying and selling oil are the same as consumers and suppliers. We are big oil consumers, be proud of the energy you use or use less. Let consumers decide along with suppliers, not big government.

“Club Fed or Camp Cupcake?”

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#1219 Aug 27, 2013
Will Americans Ever K!ck Their Oil Addiction?
http://www.mintpressnews.com/will-americans-e...
When it comes to oil consumption, the U.S. is king. In 2012, Americans used more than 134 billion gallons of fuel, beating out China for the top spot in the global oil rankings. On top of fuel consumption, there’s also fuel waste, with Americans using 1.9 billion gallons a day in traffic, according to the Sierra Club.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#1220 Aug 28, 2013
There's no renewable energy that can provide the energy and fuel we need today; that's why green energy is the fuel of tomorrow.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1221 Aug 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There's no renewable energy that can provide the energy and fuel we need today; that's why green energy is the fuel of tomorrow.
And tomorrow never comes if we don't use the existing technology to provide renewable energy.

Enough solar energy strikes the surface of the earth in ONE HOUR to power the ENTIRE PLANET for an ENTIRE YEAR.

All we have to do is manufacture the solar panels & related infrastructure to collect, store, & transport that energy to where it is needed.

Of course the coal/oil/gas barons & their boosters will continue insisting renewable technology isn't ready; that's how they maintain their monopoly on energy production.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#1222 Aug 28, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And tomorrow never comes if we don't use the existing technology to provide renewable energy.
Enough solar energy strikes the surface of the earth in ONE HOUR to power the ENTIRE PLANET for an ENTIRE YEAR.
All we have to do is manufacture the solar panels & related infrastructure to collect, store, & transport that energy to where it is needed.
Of course the coal/oil/gas barons & their boosters will continue insisting renewable technology isn't ready; that's how they maintain their monopoly on energy production.
You have many purely progressive areas of America. Cities and localities instead of building traditional power plants could build these. They have the politicians and many of the business people. Its the same old crap.
Do it! Saul Alinsky lives!
Responsible

Baltimore, MD

#1223 Aug 28, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> You have many purely progressive areas of America. Cities and localities instead of building traditional power plants could build these. They have the politicians and many of the business people. Its the same old crap.
Do it! Saul Alinsky lives!
Like California where they do not build any power plants fossil fueled, nuclear or renewable and expect other states to deal with the pollution and other environmental damage and supply them with power.
Responsible

Baltimore, MD

#1224 Aug 28, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And tomorrow never comes if we don't use the existing technology to provide renewable energy.
Enough solar energy strikes the surface of the earth in ONE HOUR to power the ENTIRE PLANET for an ENTIRE YEAR.
All we have to do is manufacture the solar panels & related infrastructure to collect, store, & transport that energy to where it is needed.
Of course the coal/oil/gas barons & their boosters will continue insisting renewable technology isn't ready; that's how they maintain their monopoly on energy production.
So how do you plan to deal with the environmental impact of the chemical waste produce by the manufacture and disposal of solar panels, batteries
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#1225 Aug 28, 2013
Responsible wrote:
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Like California where they do not build any power plants fossil fueled, nuclear or renewable and expect other states to deal with the pollution and other environmental damage and supply them with power.
Like California that has to be for water. Like California that lives off the far east and if Mexico is ever given most favored nation trading status will lose millions of jobs at the ports and what surrounds them. Imagine super ports in western Mexico with superhighways running into Texas. The good news is you can turn those defunct port areas and communities around them into green parks. Just a different perspective.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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#1226 Aug 28, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
And tomorrow never comes if we don't use the existing technology to provide renewable energy.
Enough solar energy strikes the surface of the earth in ONE HOUR to power the ENTIRE PLANET for an ENTIRE YEAR.
All we have to do is manufacture the solar panels & related infrastructure to collect, store, & transport that energy to where it is needed.
Of course the coal/oil/gas barons & their boosters will continue insisting renewable technology isn't ready; that's how they maintain their monopoly on energy production.
If tomorrow never comes?


All you need to do is manufacture the solar panels & related infrastructure to collect, store, & transport that energy to where it is needed, I'm perfectly happy with fossil fuel. Whale oil hunters didn't help install electrical generators; why do you need me?

Nobody's stopping you from buying or selling solar panels, just stop using taxpayer's money to do it.
PHD

North Richland Hills, TX

#1227 Aug 28, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I HAVE provided facts of birds and bird migration and explained how and why bird fatalities could have the potential to MASSIVE, especially as more and more turbines are built all over the country.
I see your confused again with the English Language. Could have the potential to MASSIVE, you could have the potential to win the lottery so go buy more and more all over the country.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#1228 Aug 28, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Like California that has to be for water. Like California that lives off the far east and if Mexico is ever given most favored nation trading status will lose millions of jobs at the ports and what surrounds them. Imagine super ports in western Mexico with superhighways running into Texas. The good news is you can turn those defunct port areas and communities around them into green parks. Just a different perspective.
Come on. Give up the safety nets. you talk so strong for yourself. I know the trailer trash has the choices you do and you just don't understand it. The difference is, most of the trailer trash you insult, slander and destroy live with a higher amount of morals and character then the ones you defend. The result is, a minor increase in the ones you love so much with a massive decline in the ones you hate. And the ones you hate are the payers to the collectors. A nuke or two will show you what I am Talking about.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1229 Aug 28, 2013
-Dont Panic- wrote:
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Five billion birds die in this nation every year. If that was the only part of the equation, we might have reason to believe that we should do something drastic to stop all these birds from dieing.
The problem with saying that five billion birds die is ignoring the fact that 10 billion birds are breeding each year and there are 20 billion birds are in the country just during the fall season.
Every bird that hatches will die at one point or another. Many die learning how to fly. Others die from eating something that they shouldn't have eaten. Birds kill each other all the time. They fly into buildings, they fly into power lines, they fly into oncoming traffic. Birds are stupid. That's why we call idiots "Bird Brains".
She should also be concerned about climate change making thunderstorms more severe. According to ornithologists on the Weather Channel's show on Earth's craziest weather last night, hundreds or thousands of birds are killed with every large thunderstorm.

Will she lobby for laws against thunderstorms? She might.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1230 Aug 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>More jobs have been lost in the Obama recovery than in the Bush recession.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013...
The recession ended four years ago, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. So Obamanomics has had plenty of time to produce a solid recovery. In fact, since the American historical record is the worse the recession, the stronger the recovery, Obama should have had an easy time producing a booming recovery by now.
Obama likes to tout that we are doing better now than at the worst of the recession. But every recovery is better than the recession, by definition. So that doesn’t mean much....
Not according to Politifact:

"we started by looking at Bureau of Labor Statistics job numbers for the first 49 months after the official end of the past two recessions -- that is, from November 2001 until November 2005, when George W. Bush was president, and from June 2009 until June 2013, during Obama’s tenure.

Under Obama’s recovery, private-sector employment increased by a little under 6.05 million, compared to 3.17 million during the equivalent period during the Bush recovery.

"If you count from the low point in private-sector jobs instead, the Bush recovery produced 6.35 million private-sector jobs in the first 41 months, compared to 7.20 million in the first 41 months of Obama’s recovery."

Not according to CNN:

http://www.google.com/url...

Not according to a former World Bank economist:

http://www.google.com/url...

Of course, you, Rush, and AEI say the opposite, but that's only because you're all LIARS.

And Obama gets the blame for Republican states cutting budgets and reducing payrolls and, in short, throwing every roadblock possible into Obama's path so that he won't get credit for ANYTHING good.

In spite of Republican obstructionism, and the original recession brought on by right wing policy, Obama and the American economy are still doing GREAT!

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#1231 Aug 28, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> You have many purely progressive areas of America. Cities and localities instead of building traditional power plants could build these. They have the politicians and many of the business people. Its the same old crap.
Do it! Saul Alinsky lives!
Obviously you haven't been paying attention- they ARE doing it in "progressive" states like California, Washington, Oregon, Minnesota, New Jersey, etc, as well as conservative states like Texas.

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