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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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freebird

Long Beach, CA

#941 Aug 17, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Is that in your closed car garage with cars' engines running?
Fossil fuels and their combustion products are toxic, carcinogenic, radioactive, AGW cause, and others too numerous to count.
That's why it sucks that the government has allowed southern CA to be so crowded. Driving on the freeways with so much gridlock can't be too healthy.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#942 Aug 17, 2013
And I'm for freedom, having government tax your smoking then turn around and forbid you to smoke anywhere but in your home is far worse.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#944 Aug 17, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
And I'm for freedom, having government tax your smoking then turn around and forbid you to smoke anywhere but in your home is far worse.
When your "freedom" doesn't infringe on the rights & freedoms of others, then I agree with you.

But when your "freedom" to use fossil fuels contributes directly & indirectly to the deaths of 3-4 million people per year, then the rest of us have every right to restrict that.

Ditto for smoking in public places.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#945 Aug 17, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
They call them bird-brains for nothing.....
<rolls eyes>
Another bird fact: Birds are very intelligent creatures. But then I suspect you don't know anything on that subject either.
And I don't feel like educating you right now.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#946 Aug 17, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Several,and they have no issues selling property including swamp land. So have you noticed the wind farms near you?
I love swamp land. There are lots of good birds in natural areas like swamps. Unfortunately, they've been displaced from development like subdivisions, malls, industrial complexes and wind farms.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#947 Aug 17, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I haven't seen or heard any of those species LONG before they started building wind towers.
More likely they're yet another victim of our fossil fuel addiction.
You must not get out much. Every one of those species I named is very common in spring and summer in wooded areas all over Michigan.

This is the first year I have noticed their absence in many places. It also happens to be the year after they built the wind farm along the Gulf Coast near Corpus Christie. The very migration route taken by those species.
PHD

Walled Lake, MI

#948 Aug 18, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
I love swamp land. There are lots of good birds in natural areas like swamps. Unfortunately, they've been displaced from development like subdivisions, malls, industrial complexes and wind farms.
So find a good broker and move. They only thing that is displaced is your logic. I read an article that the passenger pigeon is on the way back is it a true statement?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#949 Aug 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Hardly the same, since no one if blindfolding the birds.
To a little birdie flying in the dark of night, it IS like being blindfolded.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#950 Aug 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
I already have all the facts I need to know that more species- including humans- are killed or harmed by our addiction to fossil fuels than by wind turbines.
You want the perfect energy source, but it doesn't exist and never will.
EVERY energy source has drawbacks and harms the environment in some way.
Until you come up with the perfect harmless energy source, I'll go with source with causes the LEAST amount of harm- and right now that's wind & solar & geothermal.
What you think is the LEAST amount of harm, is not as minimal as you THINK it is. I too, would want to use the energy source that causes the least amount of harm to the planet and ALL of the living things that inhabit it. And knowing what I know about wildlife, their habitats, healthy ecosystems, declining native bird species, and wind turbines, I could NEVER support a giant wind turbine being built anywhere.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#951 Aug 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Really?
Guess you've never seen all the birds killed by oil spills.
There is NEVER a reason for oil to be spilled. Humans should not be transporting oil overseas. We have our own oil here and we need to drill for it.

What I have seen were oil covered birds that were washed, rehabbed and released back into the wild- alive.

I have NEVER seen a chopped up bird, or a bird with head trauma that didn't die from it.

I'll take my chances with the oil.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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SE Michigan

#952 Aug 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Then we need to ban all motor vehicles, airplanes, trains, etc, because millions of birds are killed annually by colliding with those moving vehicles.
We also have to ban all tall buildings.
We also have to ban all windows.
Etc, etc, etc.
Unless you want humans to go back to living in the stone age, then some birds are going to die.
Now you're starting to get it!
Because we lose so many birds to other things, why add to the problem unnecessarily with known bird killers like turbines that we have never needed in the past? We certainly don't need them now.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

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Home, sweet home.

#953 Aug 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
When your "freedom" doesn't infringe on the rights & freedoms of others, then I agree with you. But when your "freedom" to use fossil fuels contributes directly & indirectly to the deaths of 3-4 million people per year, then the rest of us have every right to restrict that. Ditto for smoking in public places.
If anyone's dying from fossil fuel or second hand smoke; it's not the carbon dioxide that's doing them in. CO2 is harmless at atmospheric levels and more importantly, vital to the environment.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#954 Aug 18, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
<rolls eyes>
Another bird fact: Birds are very intelligent creatures. But then I suspect you don't know anything on that subject either.
And I don't feel like educating you right now.
Of course most birds are quite intelligent, which is why the majority avoid the wind turbines. It's only the stupid ones who fly right into it; just like the dumb ones that fly into my window on occasion.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#955 Aug 18, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
You must not get out much. Every one of those species I named is very common in spring and summer in wooded areas all over Michigan.
This is the first year I have noticed their absence in many places. It also happens to be the year after they built the wind farm along the Gulf Coast near Corpus Christie. The very migration route taken by those species.
Yes, I'm sure the millions of birds all flew into the few wind turbines by Corpus. They must be piled up about a mile deep!

Oh yeah, that must be it......

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#956 Aug 18, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
To a little birdie flying in the dark of night, it IS like being blindfolded.
They why are they flying at night if they're that blind? How is it most of them can avoid hitting the millions of trees & buildings but can't see a giant wind turbine?

No, an appropriate analogy would a human running at night without a flashlight or other light source.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#957 Aug 18, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
What you think is the LEAST amount of harm, is not as minimal as you THINK it is. I too, would want to use the energy source that causes the least amount of harm to the planet and ALL of the living things that inhabit it. And knowing what I know about wildlife, their habitats, healthy ecosystems, declining native bird species, and wind turbines, I could NEVER support a giant wind turbine being built anywhere.
Well that leaves you with solar, because certainly NO fossil fuel can meet your criteria.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#958 Aug 18, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
There is NEVER a reason for oil to be spilled. Humans should not be transporting oil overseas. We have our own oil here and we need to drill for it.
What I have seen were oil covered birds that were washed, rehabbed and released back into the wild- alive.
I have NEVER seen a chopped up bird, or a bird with head trauma that didn't die from it.
I'll take my chances with the oil.
Yep, you've got your blinders on. Better make sure you don't hit a wind turbine.

Oil spills happen in the US all the time; maybe you missed the Gulf spill? How about the Yellowstone pipeline rupture?

I'll take my chances with my wind turbine; I haven't run into it yet at night....

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#959 Aug 18, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>If anyone's dying from fossil fuel or second hand smoke; it's not the carbon dioxide that's doing them in. CO2 is harmless at atmospheric levels and more importantly, vital to the environment.
Really?

Try breathing on Venus.

A balance is needed, and our use of fossil fuels is affecting that delicate balance.

In addition, it's the mercury & industrial pollutants which are primarily responsible for killing people.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#960 Aug 18, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you're starting to get it!
Because we lose so many birds to other things, why add to the problem unnecessarily with known bird killers like turbines that we have never needed in the past? We certainly don't need them now.
We never needed cars or planes or trains or buildings or windows or electricity or coal or oil or gas or antibiotics before either.

Guess we'll just go back to living in caves....
PHD

Walled Lake, MI

#961 Aug 18, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
To a little birdie flying in the dark of night, it IS like being blindfolded.
Hmmm much like your logic.

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