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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#755 Aug 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>WTS has conceded worldwide demand for oil and gas is increasing, that's the other side of the supply/demand function. As demand increases, prices increase unless supply increases at the same pace.
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<quoted text>This is contradicted by the facts:
Crude oil cost: 66%($2.40/gallon)
Refining cost: 12%($0.43/gallon)
Marketing and distribution cost: 11%($0.40/gallon)
I'm still waiting for WTS to explain how anyone can make a profit if cost exceed price.
http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/
also
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2012/rpt/2012-R-0445.ht...
To reiterate, if $3.23 is the fixed cost to the oil & gas baron per gallon of gas as you claim, meaning they can't make a profit by selling a gallon of gas for less then $3.23/gal, then HOW do you explain them STILL making BILLIONS in profits during the 1990s & 2000's when gas was WAY BELOW $3.23/gallon?

Hmmmm?
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#756 Aug 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously you have trouble comprehending English just like most sheeple.
Re-read my post. I said we should be saving our oil for products which can't be easily replaced- ie plastic based medical equipment & petroleum based meds.
We should NOT be wasting what little oil we have on internal combustion engines.
Giddyup!
You said "No one needs oil to survive."
Back peddle all you want but that is what you said and you were and are wrong. Millions of people worldwide depend on oil to survive everyday of their lives. While you may have no problem with all those people dying because you think we should not use oil I think you will be out voted. As I said you can do your part by not using any oil based products. That will leave more oil and soon oxegen for the rest of us. Thank you.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#757 Aug 6, 2013
By the way please do not get a horse since they pollute more per mile than an SUV. Giddy up.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#758 Aug 6, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
You said "No one needs oil to survive."
Back peddle all you want but that is what you said and you were and are wrong. Millions of people worldwide depend on oil to survive everyday of their lives. While you may have no problem with all those people dying because you think we should not use oil I think you will be out voted. As I said you can do your part by not using any oil based products. That will leave more oil and soon oxegen for the rest of us. Thank you.
Okay, humanity doesn't need oil to survive.

Happy now?

And I already said we should be saving our oil FOR THOSE VERY PRODUCTS instead of WASTING it in our vehicles.

But have it your way; we'll run out of oil for BOTH cars AND medications all that much sooner.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#759 Aug 6, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
By the way please do not get a horse since they pollute more per mile than an SUV. Giddy up.
But they don't waste oil & gas.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#760 Aug 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>WTS has conceded worldwide demand for oil and gas is increasing, that's the other side of the supply/demand function. As demand increases, prices increase unless supply increases at the same pace.
.
<quoted text>This is contradicted by the facts:
Crude oil cost: 66%($2.40/gallon)
Refining cost: 12%($0.43/gallon)
Marketing and distribution cost: 11%($0.40/gallon)
I'm still waiting for WTS to explain how anyone can make a profit if cost exceed price.
http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/
also
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2012/rpt/2012-R-0445.ht...
More from EIA:

World Oil Production/Consumption

Consumption:
2008 84,496.0
2009 84,758.9
2010 87,358.7
2011 88,567.8
2012 88,885.1

Production:
2008 85,476.3
2009 84,580.7
2010 87,076.5
2011 87,345.1
2012 89,151.8

http://www.eia.gov >> Energy Statistics >> Petroleum

In only two of the last 5 years has production exceeded consumption.

When demand (consumption) exceeds supply (production), prices increase.

Such a simple concept... for some.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#761 Aug 6, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
But they don't waste oil & gas.
But I have never stepped in SUV sh!t.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#762 Aug 6, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
But I have never stepped in SUV sh!t.
No, but you breathe it in every single day.

I'd rather have horsecrap on my shoe than poisonous SUV exhaust in my lungs.
Buy Insurance NO

Buffalo, MN

#763 Aug 6, 2013
This far left zealot Obama , wouldn't know a power plant from a toy factory.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#764 Aug 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
To reiterate, if $3.23 is the fixed cost to the oil & gas baron per gallon of gas as you claim, meaning they can't make a profit by selling a gallon of gas for less then $3.23/gal, then HOW do you explain them STILL making BILLIONS in profits during the 1990s & 2000's when gas was WAY BELOW $3.23/gallon? Hmmmm?
Too easy,$3.23/gallon isn't "the fixed cost"; costs constantly fluctuate. WTS didn't check the citation, those prices were for gas in 2013, not fixed over all times and places.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#765 Aug 7, 2013
Mothra wrote:
More from EIA:
World Oil Production/Consumption
Consumption:
2008 84,496.0
2009 84,758.9
2010 87,358.7
2011 88,567.8
2012 88,885.1
Production:
2008 85,476.3
2009 84,580.7
2010 87,076.5
2011 87,345.1
2012 89,151.8
http://www.eia.gov >> Energy Statistics >> Petroleum
In only two of the last 5 years has production exceeded consumption.
When demand (consumption) exceeds supply (production), prices increase.
Such a simple concept... for some.
Thanks for your help, I hope WTS learns some economics.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#766 Aug 7, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
..
In only two of the last 5 years has production exceeded consumption.
When demand (consumption) exceeds supply (production), prices increase.
Such a simple concept... for some.
Simple? Forty percent is not "only?" It is about or close to "half" the time.

Deniers hate the truth.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#767 Aug 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Too easy,$3.23/gallon isn't "the fixed cost"; costs constantly fluctuate. WTS didn't check the citation, those prices were for gas in 2013, not fixed over all times and places.
Yes, costs constantly fluctuate, but the percentage for each aspect- drilling, refining, transportation, etc- stays relatively the same. That's why when gas was a $1/gal the oil & gas barons STILL made BILLIONS in profits.

Obviously with gas at $3.50-$4/gal, they can make even MORE BILLIONS in profits, which is exactly why they'll never lower the price of gas to $1/gal again no matter how much supply they have.

The ONLY way prices come down is when demand drops.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#768 Aug 7, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for your help, I hope WTS learns some economics.
Yes, I learned than when the oil & gas barons want to make a bigger profit, they simply raise the price of gas. And when the sheeple stop demanding it at that price, the oil & gas barons will lower the price of gas to entice them into buying again.

But as always, the oil & gas barons will make BILLIONS in profits no matter WHAT the price of gas is. The only question is HOW MANY billions in profit they will make each month.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

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Paradise Valley Arizona

#769 Aug 7, 2013
Obama needs to sign off on the Keystone pipeline
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#770 Aug 7, 2013
Vance1 wrote:
Obama needs to sign off on the Keystone pipeline
WHY?

P.S. What are you drinking?

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#771 Aug 7, 2013
Vance1 wrote:
Obama needs to sign off on the Keystone pipeline
Why? So we can export Canadian oil to China?

B.S.

Let Canada build their own pipeline to the Pacific Ocean and pollute THEIR environment refining the tar sands before shipping it off to China.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#772 Aug 7, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Simple? Forty percent is not "only?" It is about or close to "half" the time.
Deniers hate the truth.
A pedantic argument, but typical of your silly word-game posts.

How about some real analysis?

Over the past 5 years, oil consumption has exceeded production by 436,100 barrels a day, draining pumped reserves.

Hmmm... Keystone would provide 830,000 barrels a day into the world market, offsetting that deficit.

That's why gas prices are so high, and why Keystone would alleviate that.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#773 Aug 7, 2013
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
A pedantic argument, but typical of your silly word-game posts.
How about some real analysis?
...
You can't even do percentages or ball-parking, huh.
<I caught you>

Bullying is your only act.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#774 Aug 7, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You can't even do percentages or ball-parking, huh.
<I caught you>
Bullying is your only act.
Tell ya what, you stop saying stupid things and I'll stop calling you on it, OK?

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