Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

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President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#648 Jul 29, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No, I don't read most of your posts because they're simply too long and filled with the same redundant crap.
Yes, a few birds will die.
The only other option is to go back to living without electricity.
Sorry if my posts are long, but maybe it's because I have information to share that you won't get from other sources. Do you ever wonder why?

What makes you think giant monstrous, bird killing wind turbines is our ONLY option to get electricity? I've had electric all my life and never needed a wind turbine to get it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#649 Jul 29, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Sorry if my posts are long, but maybe it's because I have information to share that you won't get from other sources. Do you ever wonder why?
What makes you think giant monstrous, bird killing wind turbines is our ONLY option to get electricity? I've had electric all my life and never needed a wind turbine to get it.
You're right, there is also solar & tidal energy to generate electricity.

I'm open to any option other than coal, nukes, or natural gas.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#650 Jul 29, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I you truly cared about birds, you wouldn't be feeding them.
Feeding wild animals only trains them to become dependent on that food source and puts them in the very danger you worry about from dogs & cats & humans.
Birds don't need humans feeding them, anymore than wolves or bears or deer need humans feeding them.
Wrong again. Birds do NOT become dependent on feeders. Do you always repeat all the stuff you hear from others without verifying it first? There have been plenty of studies on this issue. Google it yourself since you won't read any links I post.

I don't feed birds because I think they need it. I feed them because I enjoy watching them and learning about them.

The biggest danger to birds by feeding them is not maintaining a clean feeding station and bad placement of feeders near windows or places where cats can hide.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#651 Jul 29, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Only a moron could believe the trillions of tons of pollution humans have been dumping into the environment isn't having an effect on our climate.
True. I guess we pollute almost as much as volcanoes. I don't know about the air you breathe in your neck of the woods, but the air I breathe here at home, AND up at the cabin is pretty darn fresh!!!

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#652 Jul 29, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Wrong again. Birds do NOT become dependent on feeders. Do you always repeat all the stuff you hear from others without verifying it first? There have been plenty of studies on this issue. Google it yourself since you won't read any links I post.
I don't feed birds because I think they need it. I feed them because I enjoy watching them and learning about them.
The biggest danger to birds by feeding them is not maintaining a clean feeding station and bad placement of feeders near windows or places where cats can hide.
To the post decorator;
You can disagree all you want. That doesn't make you correct. I have been watching/photographing/studyin g birds for two decades. I know a little about what I speak- which is way more than you.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

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#653 Jul 29, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You're right, there is also solar & tidal energy to generate electricity.
I'm open to any option other than coal, nukes, or natural gas.
You want really "clean" energy- go nuclear.
PHD

Warren, MI

#654 Jul 30, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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"Compared to the destruction from fossil fuels? Yes, renewables are the lesser evil."
Other than the occasional oil spill, which can be cleaned up, and some temporary habitat destruction, which can be restored, please describe what "destruction" you're talking about regarding these fossil fuels you hate so much.
An occasional oil spill? What plante do you live on? Cleaned up? There trying to clean up the spill from the 80's that continue to was up on Galveston shores. Have you made your trip to the Kalamazoo river and cleaned up your share? Do mention the spiils that go unreported for years. The lessor of eveils would for you to rmove the political blinders and see the clean light produces by clean energy.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#655 Jul 30, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Wrong again. Birds do NOT become dependent on feeders. Do you always repeat all the stuff you hear from others without verifying it first? There have been plenty of studies on this issue. Google it yourself since you won't read any links I post.
I don't feed birds because I think they need it. I feed them because I enjoy watching them and learning about them.
The biggest danger to birds by feeding them is not maintaining a clean feeding station and bad placement of feeders near windows or places where cats can hide.
Like I said, if you truly cared about birds, you wouldn't feed them. Plant flowers & other natural food sources for them, but feeders are unnecessary and counterproductive.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#656 Jul 30, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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True. I guess we pollute almost as much as volcanoes. I don't know about the air you breathe in your neck of the woods, but the air I breathe here at home, AND up at the cabin is pretty darn fresh!!!
You can't smell CO2 or most of the other pollutants we pump into the atmosphere, water, and land. You can't taste all the mercury in the fish from coal fired power plants either; doesn't mean it's not there.

Yes, nature produces plenty of toxic pollutants; that's no excuse for humans adding trillions of tons more, especially in concentrated urban areas.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#657 Jul 30, 2013
Huh wrote:
And again idiot..........
I'm not the one who voted for Obama because he promised higher gas prices and blames producers. Did you read my previous post where I cited Obama's plan for increasing the price of energy and fuel?

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Huh wrote:
No I mean we could have 100 years of gas out of ground made ready to burn and BIG OIL WONT LET PRICES GO DOWN THEY WOULD LOSE MASSIVE PROFITS...
If you don't sell, you can't make ANY profit. Also, what do you mean, "BIG OIL"? Is that anything like big unions and big government?

The seller is only one side of the equation, demand affects prices too.

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Huh wrote:
Oil and gas are not high do to shortage or any real reason. JUST GREED PURE AND SIMPLE
Fossil fuel prices are high because that's the government's plan. They are beholden to special interests who want high prices.

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Huh wrote:
....More oil and more gas wont lower prices..OH PLEASE WAKE UP.
In what world does supply and demand not define market price? What do you do for a living?

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#658 Jul 30, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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You want really "clean" energy- go nuclear.
Obviously you've never seen a uranium mine and the devastating environmental effects in the surrounding area.

And how is tons of radioactive waste "clean"?

Nope, nuke is no better than coal or oil or gas.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#659 Jul 30, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>An occasional oil spill? What plante do you live on? Cleaned up? There trying to clean up the spill from the 80's that continue to was up on Galveston shores. Have you made your trip to the Kalamazoo river and cleaned up your share? Do mention the spiils that go unreported for years. The lessor of eveils would for you to rmove the political blinders and see the clean light produces by clean energy.
He must own stock in Dawn.....
Huh

Faribault, MN

#660 Jul 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not the one who voted for Obama because he promised higher gas prices and blames producers. Did you read my previous post where I cited Obama's plan for increasing the price of energy and fuel?
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<quoted text>If you don't sell, you can't make ANY profit. Also, what do you mean, "BIG OIL"? Is that anything like big unions and big government?
The seller is only one side of the equation, demand affects prices too.
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<quoted text>Fossil fuel prices are high because that's the government's plan. They are beholden to special interests who want high prices.
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<quoted text>In what world does supply and demand not define market price? What do you do for a living?
I did not vote Obama..I am a Libertarian...I don't make statements based on political party. So I deal in facts and the truth...The truth is we could drill a hole in every county and oof every shore in every states in the USA build 500 new oil refineries and oil and gas prices will not go donw by much if at all...WAKE UP THE RICH AND BIG OIL ARE LYING TO YOU...

There is no oil shortage today and many days refineries sit still and don't work...There is oil wells all over that sit not working....WHY NOT MAKE THEM WORK FULL TIME?????????? I know why the big oil has a lie of a reason to raise prices.....

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#663 Jul 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
That's because you're a moron.
^^^This is just childish name calling; irrational ad hominem argument.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
Amazing how the oil & gas barons manage to make BILLIONS in profits every month even though they supposedly only get a few pennies in profit.
They do it with volume, in April they sold 357,273,800 gallons of gasoline a day, at 3¢ a gallon profit, that's $10,718,214 in profit per day.

Is mathematics fascinating?

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
You're right, they have no reason to want higher prices at all.
They have every reason to charge as much as the market will allow; that's how capitalism works. And the consumer has every reason to look for lowest prices too.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
And I'm opposed to further enriching the oil & gas barons at the detriment of the US people & environment.
It's not just the oil and gas barons, every customer shares the same interest in fossil fuel production and use. We can all see, WTS wants higher fuel prices and his postings are made to further that goal.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#664 Jul 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>^^^This is just childish name calling; irrational ad hominem argument.
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<quoted text>They do it with volume, in April they sold 357,273,800 gallons of gasoline a day, at 3¢ a gallon profit, that's $10,718,214 in profit per day.
Is mathematics fascinating?
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<quoted text>They have every reason to charge as much as the market will allow; that's how capitalism works. And the consumer has every reason to look for lowest prices too.
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<quoted text>It's not just the oil and gas barons, every customer shares the same interest in fossil fuel production and use. We can all see, WTS wants higher fuel prices and his postings are made to further that goal.
Correct, the oil & gas barons will charge "as much as the market will allow".

That's why it's sheer ignorance to think they will lower the price of gas as long as the demand is there at current prices.

And worldwide demand for oil/gas is only INCREASING, which means prices will only increase regardless of how much oil they drill.

DEMAND drives the price of gas, and the sheeple are currently demanding gas at $3.50-$4/gal.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#665 Jul 30, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Fossil fuel prices are high because that's the government's plan. They are beholden to special interests who want high prices.
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<quoted text>In what world does supply and demand not define market price? What do you do for a living?
Correct, fossil fuel prices are where they are now because the oil & gas & coal barons want the high prices, and the politicians listen because of the millions in campaign contributions they receive.

Excess oil supply doesn't affect gas prices, only demand. Oil doesn't go bad, so the oil & gas barons can just leave it in the ground and sit on their excess supply until demand increases.

Only a SHORTAGE of supply has an effect on prices, which is why prices are destined to increase.

Btw, if you think fossil fuels are expensive now, you're in for a BIG surprise soon. And fossil fuels are actually artificially low because the govt forgives TRILLIONS of dollars in environmental & health & war costs which fossil fuels cost.

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#666 Jul 30, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>An occasional oil spill? What plante do you live on? Cleaned up? There trying to clean up the spill from the 80's that continue to was up on Galveston shores. Have you made your trip to the Kalamazoo river and cleaned up your share? Do mention the spiils that go unreported for years. The lessor of eveils would for you to rmove the political blinders and see the clean light produces by clean energy.
I am all for clean energy. I am against wind turbines being erected into the skies to kill migrating birds year after year. That is NOT clean, or green! When you find a true source of clean energy, that doesn't devastate wildlife populations, you present it to the world.

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#667 Jul 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Correct, the oil & gas barons will charge "as much as the market will allow". That's why it's sheer ignorance to think they will lower the price of gas as long as the demand is there at current prices.
True only if supply remains unchanged; competitors bring prices down when demand doesn't exceed supply.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
And worldwide demand for oil/gas is only INCREASING, which means prices will only increase regardless of how much oil they drill. DEMAND drives the price of gas, and the sheeple are currently demanding gas at $3.50-$4/gal.
The dollar is devalued, thanks to quantitative easing. The price of gas if falling, as oil prices fall.

A Saudi prince has warned that his oil-reliant nation is under threat because of fracking technology being developed elsewhere around the world.

Billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said the Gulf Arab kingdom needed to reduce its reliance on crude oil and diversify its revenues.

His warning comes as rising shale energy supplies in the United States cut global demand for Saudi oil.

In an open letter to his country's oil minister Ali al Naimi and other government heads, published on Sunday via his Twitter account, Prince Alwaleed said demand for oil from Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (Opec) member states was "in continuous decline".
http://news.sky.com/story/1121610/saudi-princ...
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#668 Jul 30, 2013
Remember fence walkers, many of the people in government do not work for you just as much as these commie progressive crony capitalists that write in these forums. If we let the the industry drill the price will come down. And yeah, I don't trust them either.

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#669 Jul 30, 2013
Obama didn't protect marriage as one man and one woman the way he promised in 2008, nor did he protect whistleblowers, except those who leaked NOM's 2008 Schedule B tax form from the IRS to the HRC.

But he is keeping his promises on energy and fuel prices:

Barack Obama: I think that… we have been slow to move in a better direction when it comes to energy usage. And the president, frankly, hasn’t had an energy policy.* And as a consequence we’ve been consuming energy as if it’s infinite. We now know that our demand is badly outstripping supply with China and India growing as rapidly as they are.

CNBC’s John Harwood: So could the (high) oil prices help us?

Barack Obama: I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment. The fact that this is such a shock to American pocketbooks is not a good thing. But if we take some steps right now to help people make the adjustment, first of all by putting more money in their pockets, but also by encouraging the market to adapt to these new circumstances more rapidly, particularly U.S.http://www.nationalreview. com/campaign-spot/9477/obama-g as-prices-i-would-have-preferr ed-gradual-adjustment automakers…

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