Obama takes on power plant emissions ...

Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Reuters.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#546 Jul 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually fossil fuels ARE renewable in a sense. Do you know where "fossil" fuel comes from? Did you also know that oil seeps out of the earth naturally? And that this natural leaking spills more oil into oceans each year than man does?
How tall is your wind turbine? Tall enough to kill migrating birds? Did you know of the massive bird slaughter at tall structures like cell towers, sky scrapers and WIND TURBINES? Not so green and clean, huh?
I see you're in Tawas. Did you know Tawas Point SP is a magnet for warblers and other birds during migration? I hope the birds don't get near your place. They might not make it out alive.
BTW, gas was ALOT cheaper BEFORE the push for "renewable" energy. Explain THAT!
Okay, so in another 100 million years or so those oil wells and coal mines will be refilled- hope you can wait that long.

Less birds are killed by wind turbines than die from pollution from fossil fuels than will ever be killed by wind turbines. I've never seen a dead bird anywhere near my turbine.

Gas was cheaper before because oil was more plentiful & easier to get out of the ground.

It's only going to get worse from now on, especially when we have to start escorting every tanker with Navy warships to keep the Chinese or Indians from taking it.

Renewables or not, gas in only going up.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#547 Jul 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Just curious. What is your average monthly electric bill?
Most months I get a check from ComEd for the excess electricity I sell them back.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#548 Jul 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Untrue, I want the market to decide, not politicians. I have no special love for renewable energy, if they can compete, that's fine.
.
<quoted text>No alternative except to drive down the street to the next oil baron's gas station. As long as we have competition, prices remain competitive.
.
<quoted text>WTS is't just warning, he's doing everything he can to increase gas prices. He supports higher gas taxes; I don't. He supports banning offshore exploration and drilling, I don't. He supports banning oil production on public land, I don't
.
<quoted text>Since the 70's, American policy has promoted conservation, not energy and fuel production and use.
.
<quoted text>Fossil fuel is renewable; if you burn a chunk of coal you just buy another to burn; it's more renewable than wind and solar because you have no market and must wait for nature to provide the next photon or breeze.
.
<quoted text>I don't care if WTS lives in a cave, I still support fossil fuel. He opposes fossil fuel and wants higher energy prices; this is where we differ.
Renewables can't compete because of the oil/gas/coal monopoly which is supported by the politicians through tax breaks, lax environmental regulations, etc.

If the true cost of fossil fuels was passed on to the consumer, there would be no competition, because no one could afford to by a gallon of gas or a lump of coal.

There is no competition, which is why every gas station charges within a penny or two of each other. When one raises their prices, everyone else follows suit. That's not competition, that's collusion & price fixing.

Yep, you're a typical sheeple. Enjoy paying $20/gal for gas if you can even find it.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#549 Jul 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Renewables can't compete because of the oil/gas/coal monopoly which is supported by the politicians through tax breaks, lax environmental regulations, etc.
1. Renewables can't compete because they are inefficient, they don't bring in the $billions in tax revenue, that fossil fuel provides governments.

2. Fossil fuels pay taxes, green energy and renewables need tax breaks, mandates, government subsidies and loan guarantees at tax payer expense; to prop up the crony pals of corrupt politicians.

3. There is no monopoly, except in government. You can always move out of one providers market, into another but you'll always be under the hand of the government.

.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
If the true cost of fossil fuels was passed on to the consumer, there would be no competition, because no one could afford to by a gallon of gas or a lump of coal.
^^^I love this one, WTS wants to tax fossil fuel so much, gas would cost more than $20/gallon, he wants to end competition with government regulation and taxes; then he calls it "the true cost of fossil fuels" to disguise the fact it's a tax. The true cost; taxation. LOL.

.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
There is no competition, which is why every gas station charges within a penny or two of each other.
There's competition and market efficiency, if you look from state to state, the stations charges differ by dollars because of taxes and government mandates. Then, there's federal taxes, gasoline prices fluctuate greatly from country to country.

WTS wants to believe in evil monopolies, oil, coal and gas barons who foment class warfare against the poor. I prefer reality; this is where we differ.

.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
When one raises their prices, everyone else follows suit. That's not competition, that's collusion & price fixing.
That's nonsense; don't you understand economics? When government fixes taxes and regulation cost far more than profit returns; the market changes for the worse. This is why we need deregulation and lower taxes.

.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Yep, you're a typical sheeple. Enjoy paying $20/gal for gas if you can even find it.
There are no renewable energy sources for transportation. Look how WTS gloats about the devaluing of the dollar and the skyrocketing cost of basic commodities like fuel and feel pity. Forgive.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Level 5

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#550 Jul 26, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
5 years of recession. 23 million still unenemployed. Sequester requiring fed workers lose one day of pay per week.
Obama wants to charge us more for the energy we have no choice but to purchase.
But this is what Republicans wanted... now that you have it and hate it, you want to blame Obama?

LMFAO!!!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#551 Jul 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>1. Renewables can't compete because they are inefficient, they don't bring in the $billions in tax revenue, that fossil fuel provides governments.
2. Fossil fuels pay taxes, green energy and renewables need tax breaks, mandates, government subsidies and loan guarantees at tax payer expense; to prop up the crony pals of corrupt politicians.
3. There is no monopoly, except in government. You can always move out of one providers market, into another but you'll always be under the hand of the government.
.
<quoted text>^^^I love this one, WTS wants to tax fossil fuel so much, gas would cost more than $20/gallon, he wants to end competition with government regulation and taxes; then he calls it "the true cost of fossil fuels" to disguise the fact it's a tax. The true cost; taxation. LOL.
.
<quoted text>There's competition and market efficiency, if you look from state to state, the stations charges differ by dollars because of taxes and government mandates. Then, there's federal taxes, gasoline prices fluctuate greatly from country to country.
WTS wants to believe in evil monopolies, oil, coal and gas barons who foment class warfare against the poor. I prefer reality; this is where we differ.
.
<quoted text>That's nonsense; don't you understand economics? When government fixes taxes and regulation cost far more than profit returns; the market changes for the worse. This is why we need deregulation and lower taxes.
.
<quoted text>There are no renewable energy sources for transportation. Look how WTS gloats about the devaluing of the dollar and the skyrocketing cost of basic commodities like fuel and feel pity. Forgive.
Nope, renewables would be cost competitive if mass produced and if the TRUE cost of fossil fuels are taken into account.

Fossil fuels get trillions in tax breaks, subsidies, waiver of EPA regulations, etc, etc, from their crony politicians.

The true cost of fossil fuels are the trillions of dollars in damages to the environment and the health of every American, which they get away with not paying for because of those same crony corrupt politicians who don't hold them accountable.

If all the stores in town sell the same product for the same price, that's not competition- it's collusion & price fixing.

All transportation can be done by electric motors with the electricity generated from wind & solar.

Hope you enjoy paying $20/gal for gas, if you can find any!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#552 Jul 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, so in another 100 million years or so those oil wells and coal mines will be refilled- hope you can wait that long.
In 100 million years, they will have found a new way to power their homes and cars. Something we haven't a clue of now.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Less birds are killed by wind turbines than die from pollution from fossil fuels than will ever be killed by wind turbines.
How do you know that? If 100+ million birds die from collisions with cell towers and skyscrapers, what makes you so sure they miraculously don't hit wind turbines (of similar height and similar aircraft safety lighting) on the same, or similar, scale? What happens as they build even more turbines? The truth is, wind farms are mostly on private property and they have never been studied- with one exception- Altamont Pass in CA. Even that study has only been related to numerous Golden Eagle deaths. Eagles are huge and easy to see as they lay mangled on vast tracts of property. Some have made the claim that wind energy will cause the extinction of Golden Eagles! Have you noticed the decline in songbirds? I have. From wind turbines? who knows. Probably a combination of things. But when ten thousands songbirds die in one night at one cell tower...one has to believe that tall structures all over the continent cannot be a good thing.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
I've never seen a dead bird anywhere near my turbine.
Size matters. Your turbine is not on the massive scale that others are. Besides, have you ever looked for dead birds? What time of year and what time of day did you look?
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Gas was cheaper before because oil was more plentiful & easier to get out of the ground.
More plentiful? Easier to get out of the ground?....LMAO.... Are you kidding? If we haven't been able to extract our oil, how could there be less of it now? And technology has made it SO MUCH easier to get out of the ground.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
It's only going to get worse from now on, especially when we have to start escorting every tanker with Navy warships to keep the Chinese or Indians from taking it.
Renewables or not, gas in only going up.
Why should oil be shipped in on tankers from overseas when we have plenty of our own oil on this continent? The worst oil disasters happen, not from us drilling here, but from overseas tankers running aground!
PHD

Livonia, MI

#553 Jul 27, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
In 100 million years, they will have found a new way to power their homes and cars. Something we haven't a clue of now.
<quoted text>
How do you know that? If 100+ million birds die from collisions with cell towers and skyscrapers, what makes you so sure they miraculously don't hit wind turbines (of similar height and similar aircraft safety lighting) on the same, or similar, scale? What happens as they build even more turbines? The truth is, wind farms are mostly on private property and they have never been studied- with one exception- Altamont Pass in CA. Even that study has only been related to numerous Golden Eagle deaths. Eagles are huge and easy to see as they lay mangled on vast tracts of property. Some have made the claim that wind energy will cause the extinction of Golden Eagles! Have you noticed the decline in songbirds? I have. From wind turbines? who knows. Probably a combination of things. But when ten thousands songbirds die in one night at one cell tower...one has to believe that tall structures all over the continent cannot be a good thing.
<quoted text>
Size matters. Your turbine is not on the massive scale that others are. Besides, have you ever looked for dead birds? What time of year and what time of day did you look?
<quoted text>
More plentiful? Easier to get out of the ground?....LMAO.... Are you kidding? If we haven't been able to extract our oil, how could there be less of it now? And technology has made it SO MUCH easier to get out of the ground.
<quoted text>
Why should oil be shipped in on tankers from overseas when we have plenty of our own oil on this continent? The worst oil disasters happen, not from us drilling here, but from overseas tankers running aground!
You really don't have a clue how the real world works do you. Take the political agenda blinders off. So just like the void left after extracting minerals out of the earth like the void between your ears what will your next political agenda be?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#554 Jul 27, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>You really don't have a clue how the real world works do you. Take the political agenda blinders off. So just like the void left after extracting minerals out of the earth like the void between your ears what will your next political agenda be?
"You really don't have a clue how the real world works"
In the real world.......when government pushes really hard for something.....there is usually a motive behind it. A not so friendly motive. Government and Big Wind companies are really interested in saving the planet????? Really???? Are you serious????

Do you think there could be other reasons for pushing wind power? Like money??? Like power and control??

Or are they just as clueless about birds and bats and the hazards of tall structures as I believe they are?

When do you go back to Texas?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#555 Jul 27, 2013
My second brood of House Wrens will be ready to fledge in the next few days. In the next few weeks they will begin to head south, undertaking their first migration ever. Somehow they will know when to leave, where to go and how to get there. They will likely not have any help from their parents, who right now are busily going in and out of their nest box with food for the hungry and active nestlings.

They will face many hazards along their journey: Stalking cats, pesticides, cars, bird netting, kids with bb guns, glass windows, skyscrapers, swimming pools, watering tanks, hurricanes, cell and radio towers, wind turbines and even the Gulf of Mexico, among other things.

Some of these things we can do something about. Cats can be kept inside. Pools can be covered when not in use. We can drive slower. We can cover our windows with screens. We can teach kids responsible gun use. We can reduce the amount of pesticides we use.

Other things we can't control. We can't stop hurricanes and we can't take the water out of the Gulf.

What can we do about tall structures? Not much. People want their cell phones...until they find a way to get the signal with smaller towers...or no towers. Cities are here to stay.

But.....Wind turbines are among one of the newest threats. They rank up there with skyscrapers and cell towers as extremely deadly. And government is calling for more and more of them.

So what can we do about wind turbines? Fight all wind projects. They aren't worth it considering the extreme hazard they pose to our birds and bats, and the destruction they do to huge tracts of once pristine, undisturbed wildlife habitat.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#556 Jul 27, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
In 100 million years, they will have found a new way to power their homes and cars. Something we haven't a clue of now.
<quoted text>
How do you know that? If 100+ million birds die from collisions with cell towers and skyscrapers, what makes you so sure they miraculously don't hit wind turbines (of similar height and similar aircraft safety lighting) on the same, or similar, scale? What happens as they build even more turbines? The truth is, wind farms are mostly on private property and they have never been studied- with one exception- Altamont Pass in CA. Even that study has only been related to numerous Golden Eagle deaths. Eagles are huge and easy to see as they lay mangled on vast tracts of property. Some have made the claim that wind energy will cause the extinction of Golden Eagles! Have you noticed the decline in songbirds? I have. From wind turbines? who knows. Probably a combination of things. But when ten thousands songbirds die in one night at one cell tower...one has to believe that tall structures all over the continent cannot be a good thing.
<quoted text>
Size matters. Your turbine is not on the massive scale that others are. Besides, have you ever looked for dead birds? What time of year and what time of day did you look?
<quoted text>
More plentiful? Easier to get out of the ground?....LMAO.... Are you kidding? If we haven't been able to extract our oil, how could there be less of it now? And technology has made it SO MUCH easier to get out of the ground.
<quoted text>
Why should oil be shipped in on tankers from overseas when we have plenty of our own oil on this continent? The worst oil disasters happen, not from us drilling here, but from overseas tankers running aground!
My wind turbine is in my back yard; I walk around it every day and have never found a dead bird anywhere near it. I HAVE found a couple of dead goldfinches by my electric fence around the garden, so I guess we better ban electric fences....

We can barely get enough oil from domestic & import to meet our current demand, much less the future demands of an ever growing sheeple population.

Enjoy paying $20/gal for gas- if you can find any at all.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#557 Jul 27, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
But.....Wind turbines are among one of the newest threats. They rank up there with skyscrapers and cell towers as extremely deadly. And government is calling for more and more of them.
So what can we do about wind turbines? Fight all wind projects. They aren't worth it considering the extreme hazard they pose to our birds and bats, and the destruction they do to huge tracts of once pristine, undisturbed wildlife habitat.
Yeah, because oil refineries & coal power plants are just SO environmentally friendly.....

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#558 Jul 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
My wind turbine is in my back yard; I walk around it every day and have never found a dead bird anywhere near it. I HAVE found a couple of dead goldfinches by my electric fence around the garden, so I guess we better ban electric fences....
We can barely get enough oil from domestic & import to meet our current demand, much less the future demands of an ever growing sheeple population.
Enjoy paying $20/gal for gas- if you can find any at all.
Again...size matters. I know your wind mill is not high enough to interfere with nocturnal migrating songbirds because I was just in your area in May......bird watching, in fact. I did not see any gigantic turbines towering high above the trees anywhere.

If your wind mill actually does interfere with and kill nocturnal migrating songbirds, you would have to look for them in April and May, and again in August, September and October....very early in the morning before scavengers find them and walk/fly away with them.

"I HAVE found a couple of dead goldfinches by my electric fence...."
If you knowingly allow your electric fence to continue to kill federally protected native birds, you are likely breaking the law. At best you cannot claim to care about the environment!

"We can barely get enough oil from domestic & import to meet our current demand, much less the future demands....."
There is SO MUCH oil on this continent, there is no problem meeting current AND future demands of our population, at least for another several hundred years. They lie about this, so you and others will support their cause and agenda...whatever it may be. They are aware that if they repeat something enough times, people will believe it.

"Enjoy paying $20/gal for gas..."
As a teenager, I could put $5 in my tank and cruise Gratiot all night. If we were running out of fossil fuel, prices would have skyrocketed back then.

Even President Carter knew of the vast oil reserves up in ANWR in Alaska. That's why he set the area aside for future drilling. The mistake he made was not issuing an executive order saying that if gas prices rose to over $1.99 a gallon in this country, drilling would begin immediately. That's what any president would do if they care about the citizens of their country, especially the ones hit the hardest by high gas prices...the poor and middle class!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#559 Jul 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, because oil refineries & coal power plants are just SO environmentally friendly.....
At least they TRY to eliminate the hazards to birds on the properties. Do you?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#560 Jul 27, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Again...size matters. I know your wind mill is not high enough to interfere with nocturnal migrating songbirds because I was just in your area in May......bird watching, in fact. I did not see any gigantic turbines towering high above the trees anywhere.
If your wind mill actually does interfere with and kill nocturnal migrating songbirds, you would have to look for them in April and May, and again in August, September and October....very early in the morning before scavengers find them and walk/fly away with them.
"I HAVE found a couple of dead goldfinches by my electric fence...."
If you knowingly allow your electric fence to continue to kill federally protected native birds, you are likely breaking the law. At best you cannot claim to care about the environment!
"We can barely get enough oil from domestic & import to meet our current demand, much less the future demands....."
There is SO MUCH oil on this continent, there is no problem meeting current AND future demands of our population, at least for another several hundred years. They lie about this, so you and others will support their cause and agenda...whatever it may be. They are aware that if they repeat something enough times, people will believe it.
"Enjoy paying $20/gal for gas..."
As a teenager, I could put $5 in my tank and cruise Gratiot all night. If we were running out of fossil fuel, prices would have skyrocketed back then.
Even President Carter knew of the vast oil reserves up in ANWR in Alaska. That's why he set the area aside for future drilling. The mistake he made was not issuing an executive order saying that if gas prices rose to over $1.99 a gallon in this country, drilling would begin immediately. That's what any president would do if they care about the citizens of their country, especially the ones hit the hardest by high gas prices...the poor and middle class!
Birds will just have to figure out how to avoid the windmills, as well as my electric fence.

Drilling on every square inch of this country won't bring the price of gas down by any significant measure. Why would the oil barons lower the price of gas when people already line up around the block just to fill up at $3.50/gal?

Keep believing oil is plentiful; you and the rest of the sheeple will be in for quite a shock when gas spikes over $5 then $10 then $20 a gallon.

If you have any traveling you'd like to do, I'd suggest doing it over the next couples of years while you can still afford it. I plan on spending the next 5 years traveling the country in my RV, then parking it on my hunting property as a 2nd home.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#561 Jul 27, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
At least they TRY to eliminate the hazards to birds on the properties. Do you?
I turn off my electric fence during the day and only let my cats out supervised. The birdies will have to figure the rest out for themselves.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#562 Jul 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Birds will just have to figure out how to avoid the windmills, as well as my electric fence.
That's a strange justification for the needless deaths of so many birds. Come to think of it, I never heard any global warming non-believer say, "Let's keep polluting the environment because we want to and the people will just have to figure out a way to breathe fresh air."

As responsible stewards of the planet, WE are the ones who need to figure out how to take care of the planet AND conserve our natural resources. This includes the wildlife we share the planet with! I actually CARE about the environment AND the wild creatures. Unless you know what you're missing, you'll never miss them if they disappear.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Drilling on every square inch of this country won't bring the price of gas down by any significant measure.
I have never said we should drill on "every square inch" of this country. But IF we did, prices would definitely come down....ALOT.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would the oil barons lower the price of gas when people already line up around the block just to fill up at $3.50/gal?
Are those "oil barons" any more greedy than the wind barons? I think not.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep believing oil is plentiful; you and the rest of the sheeple will be in for quite a shock when gas spikes over $5 then $10 then $20 a gallon.
Good. Fewer people would be driving and running over animals! Not so good for the poor people though, huh? You know, the ones Obama was supposed to care about. BTW, I did a college paper on oil at ANWR. There IS plenty!
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have any traveling you'd like to do, I'd suggest doing it over the next couples of years while you can still afford it.
I have spent a good part of my life traveling and I plan to do more of it...and soon. But lately, I'm happy just to go to our other house on weekends and holidays. Luckily, I have long weekends all summer. Northern MI is SO beautiful and our property is absolutely gorgeous! In fact, it's so nice, it attracted a nesting pair of Canada Warblers this summer!(As well as several other species that are much more common in the boreal forests of the far north)
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
I plan on spending the next 5 years traveling the country in my RV, then parking it on my hunting property as a 2nd home.
I also plan on doing more traveling in my RV, but I have to wait until I retire to do it to the extent that I'd like. I only have nine weeks of vacation I can use this year, and I can't retire until March.

When I retire, I will likely move into our home up north and will continue to travel. Best thing is, traveling will be part of my business venture and will be tax-deductible. I can't wait to get my business off the ground when I have more time to devote to it.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Level 1

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#563 Jul 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
I turn off my electric fence during the day and only let my cats out supervised. The birdies will have to figure the rest out for themselves.
Why do you have the need for an electric fence?
lolol

Rio Rancho, NM

#564 Jul 27, 2013
we only need to put a cap on obamas noxious emissions in his speeches, put a muffler on his lips or something.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Level 1

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#565 Jul 27, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you have the need for an electric fence?
It's the only thing that keeps the deer out of my garden.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Immigration Reform Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
When Does Anti-Immigration Go Too Far? (Sep '15) 15 min Byefor 659
News Trump's popularity is slipping in rural America... 40 min Retribution 1,440
News Diagnosing Trump: Did America elect a madman? 1 hr Rico from East Lo... 297
Has Donald Trump Already Failed Us? (Nov '16) 2 hr Katrina 12,329
News Trump building wall of bureaucracy to slow ille... 11 hr tomin cali 2
News California business leaders call on Congress to... 11 hr tomin cali 1
Rose's Pub (Mar '10) 12 hr Mickey Ratt Club 147,956
More from around the web