American Dream fades for New York imm...

American Dream fades for New York immigrants

There are 2962 comments on the rawstory.com story from Oct 22, 2008, titled American Dream fades for New York immigrants. In it, rawstory.com reports that:

The immigrants gathered at dawn to chase the American Dream, but as fast as the sun soared over New York, so the dream slid from their grasp.

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Since: Aug 08

Clarksville, TN

#474 Nov 4, 2008
Rebel wrote:
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I've heard that, and why they aren't prosecuted for the felonies they're committing is beyond me.
I feel this is a conspiracy between the American government and Mexico to either bring America down to a Third World to cover up the real agenda, which is: Our government has almost destroyed America with THEIR decision making.

What a better way to blame it on an invasion from the south instead of their egotistic, pompous downfalls.

Remember, their money is in banks outside of America to protect them from taxes, they have homes outside of America if they should feel the need to get away. Most have their own jets for quick getaways.

They have deployed soldier all around the world, meaning disarmed the Americans.

Ask yourself this, why, would we need troops in South Korea or in Egypt? We are not presently at war with them and no one else is either.

“Hold The Dream”

Since: Sep 08

Saint Petersburg FL

#475 Nov 4, 2008
Rebel wrote:
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You mean you thought Native American Tribes fought over their land and women and other things? Hell no! They all built fires together and sang songs and shared property. <rolls eyes> He he.
The woman and her online mentally challenged boyfriend are both insane...likely forgot to take their respective meds.
bla bla bla you are so wise hahaha pathetic
jon24

Washington, DC

#476 Nov 4, 2008
Rebel wrote:
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You mean you thought Native American Tribes fought over their land and women and other things? Hell no! They all built fires together and sang songs and shared property. <rolls eyes> He he.
The woman and her online mentally challenged boyfriend are both insane...likely forgot to take their respective meds.
I know! It's like "ding ding" time to take your meds..

“freedom or else!”

Since: May 08

Yorktown, VA

#477 Nov 4, 2008
Rogerg wrote:
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So, you prefer Communism to a Republic?
Those who are against illegal behavior are neo-fascist and skinheads now?
What is the difference between the Tan Klan and the KKK?
Communism?
The question was: what are the major differences (if any) between the "conservative" view on "illegal" immigration and that of the neo-fascist.
In true "conservative" fashion you have ignored the question, and instead responded by calling me a "communist".
Perhaps you are uncomfortable with the fact that you and your local neo-nazi are in 100% agreement as to what should be done about "illegal" immigration...who can blame you.
As for the difference between the KKK and the "Tan Clan" I must say that there is very little difference between them ideologically, which is why I do not support either group.
That being said, I do not recall instances of La Raza members lynching random people and setting their bodies on fire. Nor have I seen reports of La Raza members burning crosses on anyones lawn, or dragging people to death behind their pick-up trucks.
The differences in actions are obvious.

“Hold The Dream”

Since: Sep 08

Saint Petersburg FL

#478 Nov 4, 2008
jon24 wrote:
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I know! It's like "ding ding" time to take your meds..
LOL

“freedom or else!”

Since: May 08

Yorktown, VA

#479 Nov 4, 2008
Rogerg wrote:
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Swell, so now everyone who is committing a crime should turn themselves in (or at the very least stop committing the crime), or should Liberty require policing?
Liberty does not require policing.
Order requires policing.
I suppose a case could be made that people, rather than being left to their own devices, enjoy maximum freedom by submitting to regulatory mandates made by democratically elected representatives of the people. I understand that position, and if you want to have that debate I will gladly take you up on that. Discussions over true freedom and individuality would be a nice break from immigration "reform", and I have noticed that you often have interesting things to say.
However, I do not know how you arrived at the conclusion that my statement suggested that "illegals" should "turn themselves in", maybe you can help me out.

“Hold The Dream”

Since: Sep 08

Saint Petersburg FL

#480 Nov 4, 2008
wobble wrote:
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Communism?
The question was: what are the major differences (if any) between the "conservative" view on "illegal" immigration and that of the neo-fascist.
In true "conservative" fashion you have ignored the question, and instead responded by calling me a "communist".
Perhaps you are uncomfortable with the fact that you and your local neo-nazi are in 100% agreement as to what should be done about "illegal" immigration...who can blame you.
As for the difference between the KKK and the "Tan Clan" I must say that there is very little difference between them ideologically, which is why I do not support either group.
That being said, I do not recall instances of La Raza members lynching random people and setting their bodies on fire. Nor have I seen reports of La Raza members burning crosses on anyones lawn, or dragging people to death behind their pick-up trucks.
The differences in actions are obvious.
I agree ....good statement ,...
jon24

Washington, DC

#481 Nov 4, 2008
wobble wrote:
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Communism?
The question was: what are the major differences (if any) between the "conservative" view on "illegal" immigration and that of the neo-fascist.
In true "conservative" fashion you have ignored the question, and instead responded by calling me a "communist".
Perhaps you are uncomfortable with the fact that you and your local neo-nazi are in 100% agreement as to what should be done about "illegal" immigration...who can blame you.
As for the difference between the KKK and the "Tan Clan" I must say that there is very little difference between them ideologically, which is why I do not support either group.
That being said, I do not recall instances of La Raza members lynching random people and setting their bodies on fire. Nor have I seen reports of La Raza members burning crosses on anyones lawn, or dragging people to death behind their pick-up trucks.
The differences in actions are obvious.
Ignoring a dumb question
"neo-fascist"? can you define what a "neo-fascist" is?
As for La Raza,(the race)they want to overthrow the government and take control of half of the southwest. Turn that over to Mexico baised wrongly on treaties signed between the US and Spain. Now that's Fascist! How about everyone adopting Mexico's imigration policy?

“freedom or else!”

Since: May 08

Yorktown, VA

#482 Nov 4, 2008
jon24 wrote:
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Ignoring a dumb question
"neo-fascist"? can you define what a "neo-fascist" is?
As for La Raza,(the race)they want to overthrow the government and take control of half of the southwest. Turn that over to Mexico baised wrongly on treaties signed between the US and Spain. Now that's Fascist! How about everyone adopting Mexico's imigration policy?
A dumb question perhaps, but also a question that "conservatives" seem afraid to answer... so I will.
There is NO difference between the neo-fascist (read neo-nazi, skinhead, or whatever you want to call the swastika saluting nut-jobs) and the "conservative" position on "illegal" immigration.
As for La Raza, I must agree with you entirely, they are a racist/ultra-nationalist group that has done nothing but make matters worse for the millions of "illegals" who do not in any way share their twisted philosophy.
Finaly, you may want to take another look at Mexician immigration policy concerning "illegal" immigration as it has recently been changed. The old policy, to which I assume you are refering, was one of authoritarianism and should not be used as a model for American policy.

“freedom or else!”

Since: May 08

Yorktown, VA

#483 Nov 4, 2008
airisra wrote:
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I agree ....good statement ,...
Thanks!
Keep giving the "haters" hell!
jon24

Washington, DC

#485 Nov 4, 2008
wobble wrote:
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A dumb question perhaps, but also a question that "conservatives" seem afraid to answer... so I will.
There is NO difference between the neo-fascist (read neo-nazi, skinhead, or whatever you want to call the swastika saluting nut-jobs) and the "conservative" position on "illegal" immigration.
As for La Raza, I must agree with you entirely, they are a racist/ultra-nationalist group that has done nothing but make matters worse for the millions of "illegals" who do not in any way share their twisted philosophy.
Finaly, you may want to take another look at Mexician immigration policy concerning "illegal" immigration as it has recently been changed. The old policy, to which I assume you are refering, was one of authoritarianism and should not be used as a model for American policy.
So conservitive=neo nazi? Nice
No Mexico uses troops on it's southern border to keep other latin americans from the same opportunity you afford their citizens in this country. So wanting to follow the rule of law is neo-nazi right?
How about illegal's drive down the wage that could be made by americans? Is that Fascist?

“freedom or else!”

Since: May 08

Yorktown, VA

#486 Nov 4, 2008
jon24 wrote:
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So conservitive=neo nazi? Nice
No Mexico uses troops on it's southern border to keep other latin americans from the same opportunity you afford their citizens in this country. So wanting to follow the rule of law is neo-nazi right?
How about illegal's drive down the wage that could be made by americans? Is that Fascist?
No, "conservatives" are not neo nazis. However, the "conservative" agenda in regards to "illegal" immigration is in line with that of every neo-nazi group out there.
You would think that this fact would bother "conservatives" given that five-hundred thousand Americans dies fighting nazism...sadly it does not.
I see you have not done your homework regarding Mexico's new stance on "illegals", but thats fine. For our purposes here lets assume that Mexico has troops on it's southern border, is that really the model Americans should use when deciding our own policy... that of Mexicos?
Mexico also has a corrupt government, and a feudalist economy, should we mimic that as well?
Perhaps you want to turn America into a country that people immigrate from, instead of a country that people immigrate to. Why else would you look so favorably on Mexican policy?
As for depression of wages, yours is a concern often expressed by "conservatives", but let me ask you... when was the last time an "illegal" wrote your paycheck?
Workers do not depress wages, only bosses can do that. If wages are your concern then you should be demanding that workers receive equal wages regardless of nationality or "legal" status, the simplest way to do this would be to de-criminalize the labor of the millions of workers "illegaly" working in the United States.

And yes, it is fascist to support the "rule of law" is said law is fascist in nature.
jon24

Washington, DC

#487 Nov 4, 2008
wobble wrote:
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No, "conservatives" are not neo nazis. However, the "conservative" agenda in regards to "illegal" immigration is in line with that of every neo-nazi group out there.
You would think that this fact would bother "conservatives" given that five-hundred thousand Americans dies fighting nazism...sadly it does not.
I see you have not done your homework regarding Mexico's new stance on "illegals", but thats fine. For our purposes here lets assume that Mexico has troops on it's southern border, is that really the model Americans should use when deciding our own policy... that of Mexicos?
Mexico also has a corrupt government, and a feudalist economy, should we mimic that as well?
Perhaps you want to turn America into a country that people immigrate from, instead of a country that people immigrate to. Why else would you look so favorably on Mexican policy?
As for depression of wages, yours is a concern often expressed by "conservatives", but let me ask you... when was the last time an "illegal" wrote your paycheck?
Workers do not depress wages, only bosses can do that. If wages are your concern then you should be demanding that workers receive equal wages regardless of nationality or "legal" status, the simplest way to do this would be to de-criminalize the labor of the millions of workers "illegaly" working in the United States.
And yes, it is fascist to support the "rule of law" is said law is fascist in nature.
See, you are clueless.
First what agenda do you refer to?
I see you consider the law "fascist" well change the law. If you get a bunch of like minded people to buy into your "world view" change it. My "Conservative/fascist " agenda is following the law of the land reguardless of my view. I may not think it right, but it's still the law.
Now as for the real Fascist, Mexico has not changed anything in their policy. You must have missed the story of Cubans sent packing trying to sneek in Mexico to America thinking it was easier. The Fascist here thinks their view trumps law. As for wages, lets say you need a job. You want to work as a cook downtown. Now you need 2500 a month to sqeak by. Now the resturant is only willing to pay 1200. You can't survive because you need 2500. But they find a guy, that they don't have to pay employee taxes on, no health care, or 401k. He'll do it because he, 6 others rented the apartment next to yours and are living far better than they ever had.
do something

Coldwater, MI

#488 Nov 4, 2008
Dasyra wrote:
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yeah, it took only twisted invaders to introduce this concept of land ownership.
Care to give up ownership of yours?(occupancy if you rent)

“Green card?”

Level 4

Since: Jan 08

Tepic, Nayarit, Mexico

#489 Nov 4, 2008
airisra wrote:
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Bla bla bla you just talk to talk hater ...so you love your poeple ??? hahaha why do you call them scums then?
hater most mexicans should have honor to their homeland but you are a traitor judas ... hating your people wont change who you are ,,,got it ?
you are one ashamed mexican hater lol
So, what your saying is illegal aliens are my people? I don't think so.
Or, are you saying all illegal aliens are Mexicans? I don't think so.
Exactly what is it you are saying anyway

“Green card?”

Level 4

Since: Jan 08

Tepic, Nayarit, Mexico

#490 Nov 4, 2008
Chylloh wrote:
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I feel this is a conspiracy between the American government and Mexico to either bring America down to a Third World to cover up the real agenda, which is: Our government has almost destroyed America with THEIR decision making.
What a better way to blame it on an invasion from the south instead of their egotistic, pompous downfalls.
Remember, their money is in banks outside of America to protect them from taxes, they have homes outside of America if they should feel the need to get away. Most have their own jets for quick getaways.
They have deployed soldier all around the world, meaning disarmed the Americans.
Ask yourself this, why, would we need troops in South Korea or in Egypt? We are not presently at war with them and no one else is either.
Good point! This is what I have been saying, in order for the elite, and they are in most countries, to have a one world government they need to have a level playing field in the countries which border each other. Your right about bringing the USA down to Mexico's financial level and bring Mexico up to the level of America. Open borders, multiculturalism, and illegal aliens are ideal to bring this about and necessary to the eventual total control of the masses.
Conspiracy? Your dang right

“Green card?”

Level 4

Since: Jan 08

Tepic, Nayarit, Mexico

#491 Nov 4, 2008
wobble wrote:
<quoted text>
Communism?
The question was: what are the major differences (if any) between the "conservative" view on "illegal" immigration and that of the neo-fascist.
In true "conservative" fashion you have ignored the question, and instead responded by calling me a "communist".
Perhaps you are uncomfortable with the fact that you and your local neo-nazi are in 100% agreement as to what should be done about "illegal" immigration...who can blame you.
As for the difference between the KKK and the "Tan Clan" I must say that there is very little difference between them ideologically, which is why I do not support either group.
That being said, I do not recall instances of La Raza members lynching random people and setting their bodies on fire. Nor have I seen reports of La Raza members burning crosses on anyones lawn, or dragging people to death behind their pick-up trucks.
The differences in actions are obvious.
I didn't "call you anything, I asked a couple of question for clarification.
Well?

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Level 6

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#492 Nov 4, 2008
do something wrote:
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Care to give up ownership of yours?(occupancy if you rent)
You actually think she owns anything, much less land? LMAO! That's why she's so upset over land ownership -- she couldn't buy land if her life depended on it. I know she'll say otherwise, but no one who owns land would say something idiotic and negative like she did about land ownership.

“Hold The Dream”

Since: Sep 08

Saint Petersburg FL

#493 Nov 5, 2008
Rogerg wrote:
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So, what your saying is illegal aliens are my people? I don't think so.
Or, are you saying all illegal aliens are Mexicans? I don't think so.
Exactly what is it you are saying anyway
Yes they are ..mexicans there millions of illegal mexicans in the US havent you noticed that?

half of the mexican people are livinh here legally and illeally... you have no right s to call your people scums ass###$ whether they are legal or not who are you to offend poor poeple...are you a Holly man?

You came from MEXICO ....you are Mexican,.that doens not give you any rights to call them scums ,
Question

United States

#494 Nov 5, 2008
airisra wrote:
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Bla bla bla you just talk to talk hater ...so you love your poeple ??? hahaha why do you call them scums then?
hater most mexicans should have honor to their homeland but you are a traitor judas ... hating your people wont change who you are ,,,got it ?
you are one ashamed mexican hater lol
Are you Mexican? Keep the love to yourself and all of yours in Mexico.

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