Cruz, Paul, Rubio fight for 2016

May 10, 2014 Full story: The Hill 173

The Senate's trio of GOP presidential hopefuls are looking for ways to stay in the national spotlight during the mid-year lull before November.

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kuda

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#86 May 13, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Yes, we can agree Cruz is a moron.
From Canada... and no proof of American citizenship.
Seems he's Canadian.
Article II, Section 1, of the US Constitution stipulates that no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President, and neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Where does that leave Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Bobby Jindal?

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#87 May 13, 2014
kuda wrote:
Where does that leave Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Bobby Jindal?
Cruz was born in Canada.

I don't know where that leaves Jindal and Rubio unless you are starting a club of people who will never be elected POTUS.
kuda

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#88 May 13, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Cruz was born in Canada.
I don't know where that leaves Jindal and Rubio unless you are starting a club of people who will never be elected POTUS.
Concerning the question of their US citizenship, when Cruz was born in Alberta, his mother was a US citizen. Rubio and Jindal were born in the United States to parents neither of whom was a United States citizen at the time. The question of their respective eligibility to serve as POTUS could require SCOTUS interpretation of the Constitution.

Ironically, we have the birthers who hate President Obama to thank for impeding Cruz, Jindal and Rubio's pursuit to succeed him. Shall I make some popcorn?

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#89 May 13, 2014
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Concerning the question of their US citizenship, when Cruz was born in Alberta, his mother was a US citizen.
The question isn't if his mother was ever a USA citizen, it was when she moved to Canada because if she moved there before Cruz claims she moved there (and he for some reason cannot prove it), then he would not be a citizen of the US, certainly not a "natural" citizen and cannot qualify for POTUS.

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#90 May 13, 2014
kuda wrote:
Rubio and Jindal were born in the United States to parents neither of whom was a United States citizen at the time.
Right wingers haven't changed the US Constitution yet - as it stands, it doesn't matter (short of international flights) if your mother is standing on US soil when she gives birth, that would be a citizen.

Birthright.

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#91 May 13, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
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As Obama was born in Kenya.
Cruz was born in Canada. Obama was born in Hawaii. You lose again.

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#92 May 13, 2014
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She laughs at all liberals. Remember it was Hillary that first claimed his fictions origins in Hawaii, which still have not been proven true.
Once a Birfer loon, ALWAYS a Birfer loon. LOL!
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#93 May 13, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Article II, Section 1, of the US Constitution stipulates that no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President, and neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Where does that leave Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Bobby Jindal?
The same place it left Obama!
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#94 May 13, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The question isn't if his mother was ever a USA citizen, it was when she moved to Canada because if she moved there before Cruz claims she moved there (and he for some reason cannot prove it), then he would not be a citizen of the US, certainly not a "natural" citizen and cannot qualify for POTUS.
I believe that Cruz has dual citizenship by virtue of his mother's US citizenship at the time of his birth in Canada (assuming she had not denounced her US citizenship). The Constitutional question is about the definition of "natural born." Since President Obama was born in the US, he is clearly eligible to serve as POTUS. Those who challenge it, question the authenticity of his birth certificate, not the Constitution.

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#95 May 13, 2014
kuda wrote:
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I believe that Cruz has dual citizenship by virtue of his mother's US citizenship at the time of his birth in Canada (assuming she had not denounced her US citizenship).
Being a child of ONE American parent when born overseas is not an rubber stamp for American citizenship.

There are further conditions that - had they been met- surely the Canadian Senator would have already renounced his Canadian citizenship (but Canada has to be convinced that he would be an American citizen before they let him go).

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According to the State Department—

“Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock

A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth. The child is considered to be born in wedlock if the child is the genetic issue of the married couple.”

It would thus appear that for Senator Cruz to qualify as a natural-born citizen under this paragraph,(a) both of his parents would need to be U.S. citizens at the time of birth; and (b) one of the parents had a residence in the US at the time of birth.

Senator Cruz’s mother was clearly an American citizen—having been born in Delaware—at the time she gave birth to her son. However, Mr. Cruz’s father was a Cuban immigrant who, according to a statement issued this week by Cruz’s spokesman, was not an American citizen prior to his taking his wife to Canada to work in the oil business.

Thus, under this definition, it would appear that an argument could be successfully made that Senator Cruz is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.
kuda

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#96 May 13, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Being a child of ONE American parent when born overseas is not an rubber stamp for American citizenship.
There are further conditions that - had they been met- surely the Canadian Senator would have already renounced his Canadian citizenship (but Canada has to be convinced that he would be an American citizen before they let him go).
(quote)
According to the State Department—
“Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock
A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth. The child is considered to be born in wedlock if the child is the genetic issue of the married couple.”
It would thus appear that for Senator Cruz to qualify as a natural-born citizen under this paragraph,(a) both of his parents would need to be U.S. citizens at the time of birth; and (b) one of the parents had a residence in the US at the time of birth.
Senator Cruz’s mother was clearly an American citizen—having been born in Delaware—at the time she gave birth to her son. However, Mr. Cruz’s father was a Cuban immigrant who, according to a statement issued this week by Cruz’s spokesman, was not an American citizen prior to his taking his wife to Canada to work in the oil business.
Thus, under this definition, it would appear that an argument could be successfully made that Senator Cruz is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.
Thanks for your useful information. I appreciate your research efforts.

I believe we're going to see some birthers changing their tune.

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#97 May 14, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Lie.
Original Obama eligibility question

Hillary Clinton and her supporters first raised the Obama eligibility question in 2008. The Senate debated a resolution to exempt Senator John McCain (R-AZ) from a key requirement for natural-born citizenship. Though his parents were citizens, he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, not in any part of a US State or in the District of Columbia. But the Senate passed a resolution saying that it considered McCain a natural-born citizen anyway.

Whether that resolution is valid or invalid, no one ever tested in court. McCain lost, so any case would be moot. But while the Senate debated that resolution, the Hillary Clinton campaign realized that Barack H. Obama had never furnished a valid birth certificate.

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#98 May 14, 2014
kuda wrote:
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I believe that Cruz has dual citizenship by virtue of his mother's US citizenship at the time of his birth in Canada (assuming she had not denounced her US citizenship). The Constitutional question is about the definition of "natural born." Since President Obama was born in the US, he is clearly eligible to serve as POTUS. Those who challenge it, question the authenticity of his birth certificate, not the Constitution.
Hillary is the one that discovered that Obama had never shown a certified birth document. He still hasn't.

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#99 May 14, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Being a child of ONE American parent when born overseas is not an rubber stamp for American citizenship.
There are further conditions that - had they been met- surely the Canadian Senator would have already renounced his Canadian citizenship (but Canada has to be convinced that he would be an American citizen before they let him go).
(quote)
According to the State Department—
“Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock
A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth. The child is considered to be born in wedlock if the child is the genetic issue of the married couple.”
It would thus appear that for Senator Cruz to qualify as a natural-born citizen under this paragraph,(a) both of his parents would need to be U.S. citizens at the time of birth; and (b) one of the parents had a residence in the US at the time of birth.
Senator Cruz’s mother was clearly an American citizen—having been born in Delaware—at the time she gave birth to her son. However, Mr. Cruz’s father was a Cuban immigrant who, according to a statement issued this week by Cruz’s spokesman, was not an American citizen prior to his taking his wife to Canada to work in the oil business.
Thus, under this definition, it would appear that an argument could be successfully made that Senator Cruz is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.
All of my children have duel citizenship moron and can vote in either country.
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#100 May 14, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
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You couldn't prove that if your life depended on it. Wish it did.
Republicans crying about weak wages and a stagnate economy are living proof. Pay attention to the current debates on rising the minimum wage. Since 1980 minimum wage has risen less than $3.00

Republicans are united in opposition now against raising minimum wage. You're living proof now.

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#101 May 14, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
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lafraud bred welfare frauds in two countries. LMAO. None of you mean anything to either.

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#102 May 14, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Thanks for your useful information. I appreciate your research efforts.
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Research?

Nah, It's one of my tattoos.

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#103 May 14, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
Original Obama eligibility question
Now you move the goalposts.

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#104 May 14, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
Remember it was Hillary that first claimed his fictions origins in Hawaii, which still have not been proven true.
Lie.

Followed by AuDumbo goalpost move.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#105 May 14, 2014
Delbert wrote:
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Republicans crying about weak wages and a stagnate economy are living proof. Pay attention to the current debates on rising the minimum wage. Since 1980 minimum wage has risen less than $3.00
Republicans are united in opposition now against raising minimum wage. You're living proof now.
And the dollar was far more valuable (bought a lot more) back in 1980...
http://www.1980sflashback.com/1980/economy.as...

To catch up with the current value of a dollar, the minimum wage should be around $15.

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