Immigration reform's No. 1 enemy: Time

Immigration reform's No. 1 enemy: Time

There are 36 comments on the Politico story from Aug 28, 2013, titled Immigration reform's No. 1 enemy: Time. In it, Politico reports that:

Fall's fiscal fights have lined up in a way that could delay immigration reform until 2014, multiple senior House Republican leadership aides tell POLITICO, imperiling the effort's prospects before the midterm elections.

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“Peace”

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#23 Aug 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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Actually, I think the longer the extremists drag this out the more it hurts their cause.
The majority of Americans, including a majority of republicans, support immigration reform with some sort of adjusted status.
If immigration is still a major issue going into 2014 and 2016 it hurts the far right.
Hey Jax. I believe that the longer the reform is dragged out the more it hurts the Republicans that are doing the dragging.
Did you see where none of the Republicans asked to speak at the 50th anniversary of the historic March on Washington Boehner, Cantor and numerous other Republicans but they declined. Yet they want the black vote as well as other minority votes.
I just wonder what kind of bubble they live in because it isn't in the real world.
Dee Dee Dee

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#24 Aug 29, 2013
You posted a link to the IPC which show a list of reports and studies that support its agenda. Just look at the title of the page and it clearly says that they are presenting the "The Economic Benefits of a Legalization Program". Not the "The Economic Consequences of a Legalization Program". If you read the reports and the studies they really never discuss the effect on poor and middle income Americans. They also extol the possible virtues of amnesty and never look at the effect of enforcement versus amnesty. All the reports and studies show a positive effect for business and illegal aliens but none look at the effects on the poor and middle class. Granting amnesty has in the past been a failure. We granted amnesty to a few million over the years and the result has been a mass wave of illegal immigration and the problems we have today.
There is no upside for the average American in rewarding illegal immigration and after about 8 years of following this subject I have yet to see any evidence that there could be especially with the people that stand to profit the most from amnesty and an increase in work visas as it is being proposed are the ones writing the laws. It is the healthcare bill all over. We all know something has to be done but allowing those who have the most to gain to write the laws is not going to result in the solution that is best for the average American.
I have friends and coworkers that have immigrated here legally and many have become citizens. They all went through a lot to get here legally and while they wished it was a simpler process they did what they had to do. I have no problem with easing the process but those who ignored the process should not be rewarded and those who have for years exploited illegals and the system should also not be rewarded.
While we disagree about amnesty and the possible Consequences thank you for being the first civil amnesty supporter I have seen on this board.

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#25 Aug 29, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
You posted a link to the IPC which show a list of reports and studies that support its agenda. Just look at the title of the page and it clearly says that they are presenting the "The Economic Benefits of a Legalization Program". Not the "The Economic Consequences of a Legalization Program". If you read the reports and the studies they really never discuss the effect on poor and middle income Americans. They also extol the possible virtues of amnesty and never look at the effect of enforcement versus amnesty. All the reports and studies show a positive effect for business and illegal aliens but none look at the effects on the poor and middle class. Granting amnesty has in the past been a failure. We granted amnesty to a few million over the years and the result has been a mass wave of illegal immigration and the problems we have today.
There is no upside for the average American in rewarding illegal immigration and after about 8 years of following this subject I have yet to see any evidence that there could be especially with the people that stand to profit the most from amnesty and an increase in work visas as it is being proposed are the ones writing the laws. It is the healthcare bill all over. We all know something has to be done but allowing those who have the most to gain to write the laws is not going to result in the solution that is best for the average American.
I have friends and coworkers that have immigrated here legally and many have become citizens. They all went through a lot to get here legally and while they wished it was a simpler process they did what they had to do. I have no problem with easing the process but those who ignored the process should not be rewarded and those who have for years exploited illegals and the system should also not be rewarded.
While we disagree about amnesty and the possible Consequences thank you for being the first civil amnesty supporter I have seen on this board.
You're welcome DDD. The impact was also gone into by the CBO and that is supposed to be non-partisan. I don't remember if I mentioned that on this thread or not so I thought I'd throw it in.

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#26 Aug 29, 2013
Oops I was did mention about CBO. Sorry for being redundant.

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#27 Aug 29, 2013
Should have said I did mention CBO.
I think it's time to turn the computer off and get ready for bed.
Dee Dee Dee

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#28 Aug 29, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
Should have said I did mention CBO.
I think it's time to turn the computer off and get ready for bed.
I wish it was bed time. I am stil working and I am on my 10th hour of my 14th straight day.
Good night.

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#29 Aug 29, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Jax. I believe that the longer the reform is dragged out the more it hurts the Republicans that are doing the dragging.
Did you see where none of the Republicans asked to speak at the 50th anniversary of the historic March on Washington Boehner, Cantor and numerous other Republicans but they declined. Yet they want the black vote as well as other minority votes.
I just wonder what kind of bubble they live in because it isn't in the real world.
What was even worse was the republicans own "celebration" of the March on Washington.

Seriously, they threw this half-a*sed dinner and invited primarily black republicans.

The microphone didn't work, the waiters served the cheesecake before the main course and the speakers were off the wall with these weird stories about everything except civil rights.

We all know the repubs are going to get less than 10% support among African-Americans for years to come, but this is just embarrassing.
spud

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#30 Aug 29, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>I don't agree spud. If that were try then Romney that didn't advocate for legalization would have won the election. Instead Obama that did advocate for legalization won.
Immigration had nothing to do with the last election and you know it. Our media does its best to fix our elections and in this case, they backed the candidate that best represents their twisted agenda.
spud

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#31 Aug 29, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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What was even worse was the republicans own "celebration" of the March on Washington.
Seriously, they threw this half-a*sed dinner and invited primarily black republicans.
The microphone didn't work, the waiters served the cheesecake before the main course and the speakers were off the wall with these weird stories about everything except civil rights.
We all know the repubs are going to get less than 10% support among African-Americans for years to come, but this is just embarrassing.
Are you a racist or what? You give "African Americans" too little credit. Blacks realize they are also being screwed by illegal immigrants, and legal immigrants for that matter. Sharpton might be in illegals corner but Sharpton is for Sharpton. He doesn't care about anything but Sharpton. I feel sorry for his stupid followers.

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#32 Aug 30, 2013
The intentional misuse of a social security number is a felony, yet the IRS does nothing to illegals who file bogus claims. Will this ever be addressed, or how about birthright citizenship, which is another impetus for some to sneak into this country?
Dee Dee Dee

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#34 Aug 30, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
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What was even worse was the republicans own "celebration" of the March on Washington.
Seriously, they threw this half-a*sed dinner and invited primarily black republicans.
The microphone didn't work, the waiters served the cheesecake before the main course and the speakers were off the wall with these weird stories about everything except civil rights.
We all know the repubs are going to get less than 10% support among African-Americans for years to come, but this is just embarrassing.
It is true that few blacks vote Republican yet those that do tend to be successful, educated and not reliant on entitlements. Also most were involved in politics and registered voters long before Obama ran for president.

“Peace”

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#35 Aug 31, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Immigration had nothing to do with the last election and you know it. Our media does its best to fix our elections and in this case, they backed the candidate that best represents their twisted agenda.
No spud I know no such thing. I firmly believe the past election had much to do with people wanting immigration reform.

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#36 Aug 31, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
The intentional misuse of a social security number is a felony, yet the IRS does nothing to illegals who file bogus claims. Will this ever be addressed, or how about birthright citizenship, which is another impetus for some to sneak into this country?
Teddy the Supreme Court back in 2009 ruled that those that used a social security number and wrong name just for work wasn't in violation of identity theft.
As to birthright citizenship I continue to say that the only way to address that will be by Constitutional amendment. But I believe we have something pending with the Supreme Court about it so we'll see.

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#37 Aug 31, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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It is true that few blacks vote Republican yet those that do tend to be successful, educated and not reliant on entitlements. Also most were involved in politics and registered voters long before Obama ran for president.
Are you saying that those black voters that don't vote Republican are just the lower class, less educated and reliant on entitilements?
Yes I do believe that is what you said.(shaking head)

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#38 Aug 31, 2013
Jaxxon wrote:
<quoted text>
What was even worse was the republicans own "celebration" of the March on Washington.
Seriously, they threw this half-a*sed dinner and invited primarily black republicans.
The microphone didn't work, the waiters served the cheesecake before the main course and the speakers were off the wall with these weird stories about everything except civil rights.
We all know the repubs are going to get less than 10% support among African-Americans for years to come, but this is just embarrassing.
I believe it will take a few more elections with the Republicans losing seats before they wise up.

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#39 Aug 31, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>Teddy the Supreme Court back in 2009 ruled that those that used a social security number and wrong name just for work wasn't in violation of identity theft.
As to birthright citizenship I continue to say that the only way to address that will be by Constitutional amendment. But I believe we have something pending with the Supreme Court about it so we'll see.
They made a bad call. It is not fair to the victims of identity theft whose lives are left in shambles.

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