Immigration reform's No. 1 enemy: Time

Aug 28, 2013 Full story: Politico 36

Fall's fiscal fights have lined up in a way that could delay immigration reform until 2014, multiple senior House Republican leadership aides tell POLITICO, imperiling the effort's prospects before the midterm elections.

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#1 Aug 28, 2013
The #1 enemy of immigration reform is amnesty for illegal aliens.

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#2 Aug 28, 2013
The number 1 enemy of immigration reform is the radical right extremists.
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#3 Aug 28, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
The number 1 enemy of immigration reform is the radical right extremists.
It is the left wing radicals that have refused to allow immigration reform. Amnesty for millions of criminals has nothing to do with immigration reform. The left is holding millions of honest people who want to immigrate to this country hostage by demanding amnesty for those criminals who have broken the law and shown disrespect for citizens, immigrants and those who want to immigrate.

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#5 Aug 28, 2013
Wrong wrote:
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It is the left wing radicals that have refused to allow immigration reform. Amnesty for millions of criminals has nothing to do with immigration reform. The left is holding millions of honest people who want to immigrate to this country hostage by demanding amnesty for those criminals who have broken the law and shown disrespect for citizens, immigrants and those who want to immigrate.
I don't agree with you. I believe in order to really fix our immigration problems we have to do something about those here undocumented. I for one don't believe that deportation or hoping they will all leave is a very viable technique to control. I think that we do need to allow them to get their documentations as well as all of the enforcement that will have to be done as well.
The fact is the Senate bill covered many of the problems we currently have.

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#6 Aug 28, 2013
b4its2late wrote:
<quoted text>Im sure their are MANY democratic voters that want them gone as well. They are simply voting democrat on other issues.
Just as I'm sure that there are many Republican voters that want them to be able to adjust status. I'm one of them.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#8 Aug 29, 2013
b4its2late wrote:
<quoted text>I would love to hear your reasons.
Don't hold your breath. I have been waiting for years for somebody who supports amnesty to explain their reasons for supporting amnesty. Not one person has even tried.
spud

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#9 Aug 29, 2013
The biggest enemy of amnesty is that the overwhelming majority of legal voters don't want it. Politicians, Republicans in particular, know their constituents will dump them if they back this ludicrous plan.

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b4its2late wrote:
<quoted text>I would love to hear your reasons.
You asked.....

"Financial benefits of legalizing undocumented immigrants outweigh costs"

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2013/...

"An Immigration Stimulus: The Economic Benefits of a Legalization Program"

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/i...

I'm also a Christian and as such my kingdom is God's kingdom. My allegiance is first and foremost to the Kingdom of God, and in God’s government acceptance is preeminent. I will continue to welcome and advocate for immigration reform.

Now do you understand my reasons?

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#11 Aug 29, 2013
spud wrote:
The biggest enemy of amnesty is that the overwhelming majority of legal voters don't want it. Politicians, Republicans in particular, know their constituents will dump them if they back this ludicrous plan.
I don't agree spud. If that were try then Romney that didn't advocate for legalization would have won the election. Instead Obama that did advocate for legalization won.

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#12 Aug 29, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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Don't hold your breath. I have been waiting for years for somebody who supports amnesty to explain their reasons for supporting amnesty. Not one person has even tried.
That wasn't very nice DDD. I did answer.
Dee Dee Dee

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#13 Aug 29, 2013
So we should support amnesty for millions of criminals and force working people to face tax increases, wage reductions and reductions in social services to support those granted amnesty so that a few wealthy people can become wealthier? You obviously did not read or understand the articles you posted. First they are from sources that will definitely benefit from increasing the pool of cheap labor and increasing the demand for goods and services pushing prices up. The articles do acknowledge that amnesty will strain social services which of course will reduce the services available for poor citizens and increase the cost for taxpayers but they say that will be offset by and expansion of the economy which of course benefits the wealthy.
You have provided proof that illegal aliens will be better off and the wealthy will be better off if amnesty is granted but while the articles you posted try to burry it the fact remains that middle class and poor Americans will not benefit and in fact will see their quality of life decline even faster than it has over the last 20 years.

"The benefits of legalizing many of the 11 million undocumented immigrants under business-backed reforms being considered by Congress outweigh the costs."

In other words the wealthy will benifit.

"A study earlier this year by Arizona State University’s Morrison Institute expects legalization to increase immigrants’ wages by as much as $3,100 each per year. The ASU report said immigrants with legal status can get better jobs and earn higher wages than those being paid under the table or working with fake identification. Currently, unauthorized immigrants in Arizona make $27,100 a year on average"

So who will do the jobs that the former illegals vacate? Newly arriving illegals, who else?

"A Congressional Budget Office report also expects reforms — if passed by Congress — to hike immigrants wages by 12 percent. But the same report said American worker wages would remain flat or decline slightly over the next two decades if reforms pass."

How wonderful for those who have been suffering through 6 years of recession and declining wages. 20 more years of declining wages to look forward to.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#14 Aug 29, 2013
Thank you so much White American for providing more proof that the average American will suffer if amnesty is passed.
Brenda besson

United States

#15 Aug 29, 2013
Lol get the hell out its dead thank god.seal the borders deport all.moving on to more important things like how to get rid of obamacare and obama.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#16 Aug 29, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>That wasn't very nice DDD. I did answer.
I was wrong. People have often given reasons for their support of amnesty. I guess I should say that nobody has ever been able to show that amnesty will benefit this country or the majority of its citizens. Many people have reasons that they support amnesty such as having illegal family and/or friends, seeing that they personally will profit from amnesty, wanting to increase the number of Hispanics in the country for political power or just wanting to see the country decline as a “lesson to the white man”.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#17 Aug 29, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>I don't agree spud. If that were try then Romney that didn't advocate for legalization would have won the election. Instead Obama that did advocate for legalization won.
I guess gay rights, abortion, increased entitlements, healthcare, race, economic policy, foreign policy, and the hundreds of other issues that separated Obama from Romney had nothing to do with Obama winning.

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#18 Aug 29, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
So we should support amnesty for millions of criminals and force working people to face tax increases, wage reductions and reductions in social services to support those granted amnesty so that a few wealthy people can become wealthier? You obviously did not read or understand the articles you posted. First they are from sources that will definitely benefit from increasing the pool of cheap labor and increasing the demand for goods and services pushing prices up. The articles do acknowledge that amnesty will strain social services which of course will reduce the services available for poor citizens and increase the cost for taxpayers but they say that will be offset by and expansion of the economy which of course benefits the wealthy.
You have provided proof that illegal aliens will be better off and the wealthy will be better off if amnesty is granted but while the articles you posted try to burry it the fact remains that middle class and poor Americans will not benefit and in fact will see their quality of life decline even faster than it has over the last 20 years.
"The benefits of legalizing many of the 11 million undocumented immigrants under business-backed reforms being considered by Congress outweigh the costs."
In other words the wealthy will benifit.
"A study earlier this year by Arizona State University’s Morrison Institute expects legalization to increase immigrants’ wages by as much as $3,100 each per year. The ASU report said immigrants with legal status can get better jobs and earn higher wages than those being paid under the table or working with fake identification. Currently, unauthorized immigrants in Arizona make $27,100 a year on average"
So who will do the jobs that the former illegals vacate? Newly arriving illegals, who else?
"A Congressional Budget Office report also expects reforms — if passed by Congress — to hike immigrants wages by 12 percent. But the same report said American worker wages would remain flat or decline slightly over the next two decades if reforms pass."
How wonderful for those who have been suffering through 6 years of recession and declining wages. 20 more years of declining wages to look forward to.
I just don't go along with what you are saying. One article I read stated that immigrants, illegals that are legalized tend to open more small business then do Americans. Those businesses they open need workers thus adding to the amount of jobs available. Plus their is more profit for legalization to the government then not. So if the government makes money that's our money. That's good for paying off our National Debt.
Yes wages would drop all of .1% in the first 10yrs but go up .5% after that per the CBO.

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#19 Aug 29, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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I was wrong. People have often given reasons for their support of amnesty. I guess I should say that nobody has ever been able to show that amnesty will benefit this country or the majority of its citizens. Many people have reasons that they support amnesty such as having illegal family and/or friends, seeing that they personally will profit from amnesty, wanting to increase the number of Hispanics in the country for political power or just wanting to see the country decline as a “lesson to the white man”.
Oh which none of those were my reasons.

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#20 Aug 29, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
The number 1 enemy of immigration reform is the radical right extremists.
Actually, I think the longer the extremists drag this out the more it hurts their cause.

The majority of Americans, including a majority of republicans, support immigration reform with some sort of adjusted status.

If immigration is still a major issue going into 2014 and 2016 it hurts the far right.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#21 Aug 29, 2013
_White American_ wrote:
<quoted text>I just don't go along with what you are saying. One article I read stated that immigrants, illegals that are legalized tend to open more small business then do Americans. Those businesses they open need workers thus adding to the amount of jobs available. Plus their is more profit for legalization to the government then not. So if the government makes money that's our money. That's good for paying off our National Debt.
Yes wages would drop all of .1% in the first 10yrs but go up .5% after that per the CBO.
So as I said, the wealthy would profit, illegal aliens would profit from the fact that they came here illegally and broke numerous laws and the poor and middle class citizens will be the ones who have to suffer. Before the last amnesty wages increased by several percent every year. Based on the numbers you reference it will be at least a decade before wages stop decreasing and much longer than that before they increase at the same rate they did before the 1986 amnesty if ever. Every generation in the U.S. has worked and fought to make life better for the next but you and the amnesty crowd want to change that so that all future generations see a decline in their quality of life. That is what you want for your children and grandchildren? I know I do not.
I suggest that rather than forming an opinion by reading a few articles from openly biased sources you do a bit of research and look at facts. Even the biased articles you are reading are unable to hide the fact that amnesty will harm the majority of American citizens.

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#22 Aug 29, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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So as I said, the wealthy would profit, illegal aliens would profit from the fact that they came here illegally and broke numerous laws and the poor and middle class citizens will be the ones who have to suffer. Before the last amnesty wages increased by several percent every year. Based on the numbers you reference it will be at least a decade before wages stop decreasing and much longer than that before they increase at the same rate they did before the 1986 amnesty if ever. Every generation in the U.S. has worked and fought to make life better for the next but you and the amnesty crowd want to change that so that all future generations see a decline in their quality of life. That is what you want for your children and grandchildren? I know I do not.
I suggest that rather than forming an opinion by reading a few articles from openly biased sources you do a bit of research and look at facts. Even the biased articles you are reading are unable to hide the fact that amnesty will harm the majority of American citizens.
Well as you know DDD I don't agree with what you say.

"I suggest that rather than forming an opinion by reading a few articles from openly biased sources you do a bit of research and look at facts. Even the biased articles you are reading are unable to hide the fact that amnesty will harm the majority of American citizens."

I can appreciate that and I would ask you to do the same. It's my understanding that the CBO is a non-partisan organisation so they would be one of those sources you speak about.

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