Poverty is American, not racial, problem

Poverty is American, not racial, problem

There are 143 comments on the Poughkeepsie Journal story from Apr 13, 2014, titled Poverty is American, not racial, problem. In it, Poughkeepsie Journal reports that:

Why does so much of our talk about race and poverty leave us Americans spinning our wheels? One big reason is etiquette.

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Arcand

Saint Petersburg, FL

#150 Apr 21, 2014
I had a ceremony 2 weeks ago. Sitting Bull came in and he talked to me. Crazy Horse talked to me. Chief Big Foot talked to me. And they asked me to go to the seven council fires and to the council
people and to warn all of these fires, within six
months there’s going be a tidal wave that’s going to
wipe out Los Angeles. Within six months, there’s going
to be an eruption in the northwest with the volcanoes.
They say from the eruptions of these volcanoes, the
ash that is coming, the Missouri River will be
destroyed. They say the water that we drink from the
ground is going to be no longer drinkable. Beware!

“Shoot for the stars”

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Planet Earth

#151 Apr 21, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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And they were also big government Democrats too.
The question you would have to ask yourself is did Wal-Mart destroy these communities, or was it the consumer that destroyed these communities? Wal-Mart doesn't have the power to destroy any community. People have the power to destroy their community.
Wal-Mart is like any other business. If people don't patronize a business, the business closes down. You don't need dictatorship taxation, you don't need protests, you don't need laws and regulations to keep a business out. You need the unity of the people to keep businesses out. If the people of the community are happy with places like Wal-Mart, then obviously they don't think Wal-Mart is a problem.
You can read this article and report on how Walmart destroys communities, small towns, doesn't bring jobs, kills small businesses, etc..........

Communities have been voting to keep Walmart out..........I've posted this before.

Compliments of:
http://www.popularresistance.org/new-report-w...

"Public Advocate Bill de Blasio and the Hunter College Center for Community Planning and Development today released “Wal-Mart’s Economic Footprint” a comprehensive review of over fifty studies on Wal-Mart’s economic impact across the country."

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#152 Apr 21, 2014
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes! Here's a link about Alice Walton's museum, Walmart fortune and their greed.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2011-12...
Thanks for the great article....only thing missing was inserting "greed", into every paragraph.....

“Shoot for the stars”

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Planet Earth

#153 Apr 21, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for the great article....only thing missing was inserting "greed", into every paragraph.....
Good morning GBF! You are very welcome. You're right, "greed" should have been inserted into every paragraph. Here's another good informative article, which I've also posted for xxxrayed, but I doubt he'll read it, explaining Walmart's destruction of communities, small businesses, small towns, economy, etc.......... I think you'll find the article interesting.

http://www.popularresistance.org/new-report-w...
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#154 Apr 21, 2014
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>You can read this article and report on how Walmart destroys communities, small towns, doesn't bring jobs, kills small businesses, etc..........
Communities have been voting to keep Walmart out..........I've posted this before.
Compliments of:
http://www.popularresistance.org/new-report-w...
"Public Advocate Bill de Blasio and the Hunter College Center for Community Planning and Development today released “Wal-Mart’s Economic Footprint” a comprehensive review of over fifty studies on Wal-Mart’s economic impact across the country."
And what did this report say?

It says that Wal-Mart puts small stores out of business. Can you explain to me how Wal-Mart does that? Wal-Mart can't do that, only their customers can. If people choose to shop at Wal-Mart instead of the mom and pop shops, then it's those customers that are having an impact on smaller stores.

When Wal-Mart closes these smaller stores, it has a net job loss in the community. Okay, so what does that tell us? It tells us that Wal-Mart can do more for less. They can provide better pricing and more products using less people. Is that a bad thing? If so, should we ever have gotten rid of phone operators, elevator operators, ice men, ditch diggers, full service gasoline stations?

Wal-Mar is responsible for people using more social programs. Wrong again, Wal-Mart doesn't use social programs--workers use these programs. If individuals don't want to be on any of these programs, they can find better paying jobs.

I knew what this report said before I clicked the link. I've read dozens of them. They all say the same thing. They all use the same lies.

Wal-Mart is number one in America today (and has been for a while) because they provide customers with what they want, and Americans want cheap imported products. When Americans decide they don't want cheap foreign products, that's when Wal-Mart and like stores will close down or switch to higher priced products. Until then, don't blame Wal-Mart for giving their customers what they want. Blame the customers instead.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#156 Apr 21, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for the great article....only thing missing was inserting "greed", into every paragraph.....
Can you explain how Wal-Mart is greedy and their customers are not?

It's Wal-Marts customers that could give a ship less if they are putting other Americans out of work by purchasing foreign products. It's Wal-Marts customers that could care less if the floor sweepers or shelf stockers are making minimum wage. Every consumer that patrons Wal-Mart only cares about themselves and how much they can buy for as little as they can.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#157 Apr 21, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you explain how Wal-Mart is greedy and their customers are not?
It's Wal-Marts customers that could give a ship less if they are putting other Americans out of work by purchasing foreign products. It's Wal-Marts customers that could care less if the floor sweepers or shelf stockers are making minimum wage. Every consumer that patrons Wal-Mart only cares about themselves and how much they can buy for as little as they can.
That is the ironic part. Just like illegal immigration those who are hurt the most by Wal-Mart are the ones who support it. If Wal-Mart could not accept SNAP , WIC and other government entitlements they would go broke in a week.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#159 Apr 21, 2014
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the ironic part. Just like illegal immigration those who are hurt the most by Wal-Mart are the ones who support it. If Wal-Mart could not accept SNAP , WIC and other government entitlements they would go broke in a week.
They would also go broke in a week if nobody shopped there.These liberals are crying about Wal-Mart employees being broke, but what about all the broke people that shop at Wal-Mart? Without Wal-Mart, they would have to shop at higher priced stores and get less for the few dollars they have. What about them?

Wal-Mart cannot force people to work for them. Nor can they force people to shop in their stores. It's all optional and people took the option to work and shop there. Obviously these people are happy with Wal-Mart or they would have nothing to do with them.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#160 Apr 21, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
They would also go broke in a week if nobody shopped there.These liberals are crying about Wal-Mart employees being broke, but what about all the broke people that shop at Wal-Mart? Without Wal-Mart, they would have to shop at higher priced stores and get less for the few dollars they have. What about them?
Wal-Mart cannot force people to work for them. Nor can they force people to shop in their stores. It's all optional and people took the option to work and shop there. Obviously these people are happy with Wal-Mart or they would have nothing to do with them.
I agree that Wal-Mart does what it has to do to keep its customers and its stock holders happy. Working as a clerk at Wal-Mart is not supposed to be a career. Many people have started out as clerks at Wal-Mart and either worked their way up in the company or used the experience to move on to a better job. I have a relative (by marriage) who works at WM and when they offered him a promotion to management because he is smart and works hard he refused because he did not want to work more hours. His reason was that he wanted to devote the time to his family and God. That is fine and I know there are many people who feel that way but I should not have to give my hard earned money to support his family because he does not want more out of his work life than to be a clerk at WM.
That being said I avoid WM because I like things that last and I find their customer service sucks. Probably because most of their workers don’t care about their low paying job.

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#161 Apr 21, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you explain how Wal-Mart is greedy and their customers are not?
It's Wal-Marts customers that could give a ship less if they are putting other Americans out of work by purchasing foreign products. It's Wal-Marts customers that could care less if the floor sweepers or shelf stockers are making minimum wage. Every consumer that patrons Wal-Mart only cares about themselves and how much they can buy for as little as they can.
Walmart makes billions, while their employees are paid so poorly, that they are forced and qualify for government assistance and your tax dollars.....You figure it out.....
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#162 Apr 21, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Walmart makes billions, while their employees are paid so poorly, that they are forced and qualify for government assistance and your tax dollars.....You figure it out.....
I did figure it out, you didn't.

So I'm a kid that gets out of high school with no experience at anything. I decide that I'm going to work menial no-skill jobs. I also realize that because I have little value to an employer, I will likely not get paid much.

How is that Wal-Marts fault?

So I get a job at Wal-Mart and they give me an opportunity to learn a few things and make some money. I don't have enough to support myself, but I knocked up my girlfriend and now we have a child together.

How is that Wal-Marts fault?

Because I don't make enough money to support my girlfriend and baby, I have to go on public assistance. Because I'm too lazy to look for another better paying job, I'm earning Wal-Mart wages; the same wages we agreed upon when I accepted the job.

How is that Wal-Mart's fault?

Because I'm an American and the fact earning more money would interfere with my government benefits, it makes no sense for me to get additional jobs to work nights and weekends.

How is that Wal-Marts fault?

Now let's learn about the business aspect:

You hit a lottery number tonight. Nothing huge, but after taxes, you now have about $500,000. Your house and cars are paid for and you have few bills. So the best thing you can do with that kind of money is to invest it.

Because you know little about investments, you ask me to help you. You tell me what you're looking for, and I boil it down to two companies, Company A and Company B.

Company A has been around for a while and your investment with them would be conservative and fairly secure. Their profit growth is about 5.75%.

Company B too has been around for a while, and like company A, it too is a conservative and a secure investment. Their profit margin is 2.75%.

Now which company would you choose to invest in? Company A with a 5.75% earnings, or company B with a 2.75% earnings?

Before you answer, I forgot to include one thing: Company A's gross earnings is about a half-million a year. Company B's earnings is 2.5 billion a year. Does that change your mind any?

Of course it doesn't. You don't care about how much a company has, you care about the growth of your investment. Most investors do; at least the smart ones.

Companies attract investors based on growth and not gross income. Companies heavily rely on investors for the success of their establishment. Therefore, it's growth that counts.

Now perhaps you understand something about business. Wal-Mart and every other company strives to increase growth to attract investors and it doesn't matter if they are a multi-billion dollar company or a multi-thousand dollar company. If they pay employees more than they are worth, it decreases their growth and ultimately decreases investor interest.
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#163 Apr 21, 2014
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that Wal-Mart does what it has to do to keep its customers and its stock holders happy. Working as a clerk at Wal-Mart is not supposed to be a career. Many people have started out as clerks at Wal-Mart and either worked their way up in the company or used the experience to move on to a better job. I have a relative (by marriage) who works at WM and when they offered him a promotion to management because he is smart and works hard he refused because he did not want to work more hours. His reason was that he wanted to devote the time to his family and God. That is fine and I know there are many people who feel that way but I should not have to give my hard earned money to support his family because he does not want more out of his work life than to be a clerk at WM.
That being said I avoid WM because I like things that last and I find their customer service sucks. Probably because most of their workers don’t care about their low paying job.
We are at a point in this country where income is down the list of priorities. A year ago my company was looking for another driver. My employer had some interested applicants, but they couldn't pass the drug test. Apparently, smoking pot was more important than getting a good job.

My father is a retired bricklayer that stays in contact with his former union. The union encouraged all their members to try and get people interested in this career. They would provide the jobs, the training, and the benefits. People applied, but again, many couldn't pass the drug test. Smoking pot was more important than a job, training and career.

I'm a landlord and have a couple I rent to. They are good tenants, but both are in their mid 20's and work at fast food places. Trying to better themselves with better employment would mean they would have to give up pot to pass the drug tests. It's not worth it to them. God knows how long they will waste their lives working at fast food places.

It's unfortunate, but this is America today. This is why I get so sick of these liberals telling me how there are no jobs in America; that people are "forced" to work at places like Wal-Mart and McDonald's. People will work provided it doesn't inconvenience them the least bit. If they are inconvenienced, then they work at Wal-Mart and get food stamps. And again, that's Wal-Mart's fault.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#164 Apr 22, 2014
Yet companies that assist their low level workers by directing them to government programs are pained as the bad guys by the same people who demand that the government provide these programs and the same people who support amnesty for illegal aliens and an end to deportations. All of which drive wages down further.
I am surprised that you have a problem finding truck drivers since the government has been so active in recent years subsidizing the training of truck drivers in an effort to decrease wages in that industry.
As far as I know all commercial license holders are subject to drug testing and I know that they can be charged with DUI at a much lower level than a non-commercial driver even when driving a non-commercial vehicle so I find it hard to believe that anybody who could not pass a drug test would even apply for a driving position.
Jawga Boy

Atlanta, GA

#165 Apr 22, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Walmart makes billions, while their employees are paid so poorly, that they are forced and qualify for government assistance and your tax dollars.....You figure it out.....
Were they forced to work with a gun in their backs?

Thought so!

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#166 Apr 22, 2014
made lot of money on walmart stock....love em.

“Try Reuters.”

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#167 Apr 22, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Back then I know myself that Corporations were socially and economically different here in the US then they are today and today they embrace Liberalism to their benefit more than ever and the reason is their dependence on Corporate Subsidies especially and today Corporations see the oppurtunity to turn the Social Safety Net into another Corporate Subsidized Program and it is obvious that government is a problem too but only 50% and Corporations are the other 50%.
You must be joking. Right? Corporations embrace corruption and the power of lobbyists in D.C. to influence legislation that affords the top tier more benefits (read taxpayer funded welfare for THEM in the form of tax credits and deductions). This perspective in not liberal. Your idea is really bone headed as you are attempting to once again blame the victims of disparate treatment of how income is taxed.

What is wrong with you brain dead people who have been led by the nose ring down the path of greed and indifference.

You have managed to drive moderates away from the Republican party itself and managed to turn the initial enthusiasm for the Tea Party into disdain and dislike. That is certainly not the result of something "liberals" have done. These so-called liberals are regular everyday moderate Americans who have no stomach for watching hungry children, seniors and disabled Americans just so some CEO or hedge fund manager or banker can continue realizing exponentially larger income and greater wealth while everybody but an elite few either spins their wheels or loses more ground.

Weren't you paying attention when Mitt Romney ran for President? How about when Paul Ryan's unconscionable budget passed the House again and provided even more tax relief for the already wealthy at the expense of all the other working classes?

You'd better wake up, because even if you're doing well today, your children and theirs will be paying a huge price for this disparate treatment of America's contributing labor force and those who have been shoved out of it and were either rendered obsolete or have had their jobs outsourced or provided to cheap illegal labor. They have seen their pensions and benefits disappear, their hours cut, and in this whole d*mned mess, do you seriously think the cost of goods and services has been LOWERED for them? No. The profit has all been pushed upstream to the tip top - the investor class.

I pity those of you who don't recognize this. Your children are paying and theirs will pay even more. Still, you probably think this is a "Thanks Obama" moment? No, siree Bob. It's a sold out Congress in service to Oligarchs and without representation for the rest of us. We have to stop putting rich men and women in office and expecting they have anything at all in common with any of the working classes. They have proven themselves incapable of making any sacrifice whatsoever for the greater good.

Stop shouting "liberal". You have no idea what you're talking about, but you're certainly following the pied piper and are consistently regurgitating talking points and slogans that have no basis in fact the lion's share of the time. They're simply used to inflame and incite and display ignorance, hate and attention deficit disorde -or or worse.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#168 Apr 22, 2014
Greed is good
xxxrayted

Berea, OH

#169 Apr 22, 2014
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
Yet companies that assist their low level workers by directing them to government programs are pained as the bad guys by the same people who demand that the government provide these programs and the same people who support amnesty for illegal aliens and an end to deportations. All of which drive wages down further.
I am surprised that you have a problem finding truck drivers since the government has been so active in recent years subsidizing the training of truck drivers in an effort to decrease wages in that industry.
As far as I know all commercial license holders are subject to drug testing and I know that they can be charged with DUI at a much lower level than a non-commercial driver even when driving a non-commercial vehicle so I find it hard to believe that anybody who could not pass a drug test would even apply for a driving position.
That is correct which is why my employer wants them to pass a drug test first. By law, we are required to have a clinic pull our names at random to take these drug tests. It makes no sense for my employer to hire somebody, and then a few months or years down the line when they pull that drivers name, be suspended by the government for six weeks while attending rehab.

I guess these people figure they will work as much as they can before they have to take a drug test, or perhaps find a company that doesn't go by the rules and just lets anybody drive.

The thing that's driving our wages down are foreign workers. They mostly drive container or moving trucks. Some drive the flat beds. But they all work for nothing and that doesn't help us at all.

“Try Reuters.”

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#171 Apr 22, 2014
inbred Genius wrote:
Greed is good
http://www.kentmkeith.com/mother_teresa.html

What exactly was on Mother Teresa's wall? According to Lucinda Vardey, in Mother Teresa: A Simple Path (New York: Ballantine Books, 1995), page 185, there was "a sign on the wall of Shishu Bhavan, the children's home in Calcutta." This is what the sign said:

ANYWAY
People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered,
LOVE THEM ANYWAY
If you do good, people will accuse you of
selfish, ulterior motives,
DO GOOD ANYWAY
If you are successful,
you win false friends and true enemies,
SUCCEED ANYWAY
The good you do will be forgotten tomorrow,
DO GOOD ANYWAY
Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable,
BE HONEST AND FRANK ANYWAY
What you spent years building may be
destroyed overnight,
BUILD ANYWAY
People really need help
but may attack you if you help them,
HELP PEOPLE ANYWAY
Give the world the best you have
And you'll get kicked in the teeth,
GIVE THE WORLD THE BEST YOU'VE GOT ANYWAY.
Drilling for the nerve

Batavia, NY

#173 Apr 22, 2014
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
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What exactly was on Mother Teresa's wall?

Hi NTRPRNR1,

How'd those 2 votes for a marxist community organizer work out for ya?

As you know, our treasonous media, who make the Vichy French look like patriots, has pre-ordained another marxist as next president. The task of driving the final nail in America's coffin will fall to Hillary. People, like yourself, are wetting their Victoria Secrets in gleeful anticipation.

I wonder if you realize how close we are to a marxist dictatorship established within the United States. I'm guessing, probably not.

Of course, you'll need to be disarmed along with those of us who are actually patriotic, but that won't be a problem. One gun purchased at a gun shop, one background check, leads the ATF, the State Police, and various other Standing Armies On American Soil, directly to your door.

It's a safe bet they won't be knocking gently and asking politely for your weapon.

The guy posting from Thailand in the Blogoshpere Forum during the run-up to the 08 election was right about you. I just didn't see it at the time.

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