Filipinos crowd capital for huge Cath...

Filipinos crowd capital for huge Catholic parade

There are 45 comments on the Tri-cityherald.com story from Jan 9, 2014, titled Filipinos crowd capital for huge Catholic parade. In it, Tri-cityherald.com reports that:

A Filipino Catholic devotee is carried to safer grounds as she collapses while joining an annual procession of the Black Nazarene to celebrate its feast day Thursday Jan. 9, 2014 in Manila, Philippines.

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ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#33 May 25, 2014
Narito pa ang karagdagang patotoo ukol sa isyung ito ng mga nasa hanay ng mga naniniwala na si Cristo ay Diyos:

“Ang salita para sa 'isa' ay ang neuter na hen, at hindi ang masculine na heis: Si Jesus at ang Kaniyang Ama ay hindi iisang persona, gaya ng ibig ipakahulugan ng masculine … si Jesus at ang kaniyang Ama ay lubos na iisa sa pagkilos, sa kanilang ginagawa …“

“The word for 'one' is the neuter hen, not the masculine heis: Jesus and his Father are not one person, as the masculine would suggest … Jesus and his Father are perfectly one in action, in what they do …“

Reference: Carson, D.A. The Pillar New Testament Commentary: The Gospel According to John, p. 394. Grand Rapids, Michigan: W.M.B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1991.

“Ang 'iisa' ay neuter,'iisang bagay', at hindi 'isang persona'. Hindi ipinahahayag dito ang pagkakatulad kundi ang mahalagang pagkakaisa.”

“'One' is neuter,'one thing' and not 'one person'. Identity is not asserted' but essential unity is.”

Reference: Morris, Leon. The New International Commentary on the New Testament: The Gospel According to John, p. 522. Grand Rapids, Michigan: WM. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1971.

“Totoong ipinahayag ni Jesus,'Ako at ang aking Ama ay iisa',(Juan 10:30). Subalit hindi ito nangangahulugang si Jesus at ang Kaniyang Ama ay iisang Persona … dahil ang Griyegong neuter na hen ('iisa') ang ginamit ng apostol na si Juan sa halip na ang masculine na heis; kaya ang mahalagang pagkakaisa ang tinutukoy, hindi ang lubos na pagkakatulad.”

“Jesus did state,'I and My father are one',(John 10:30). But this does not mean that Jesus and His Father are one Person … for the Greek neuter hen ('one') is used by the apostle John instead of the masculine heis; therefore essential unity is meant, not absolute identity.”

Reference: Systematic Theology: A Pentecostal Perspective, p.174.

Maliwanag sa patotoo mismo ng mga naniniwala na si Cristo ay Diyos na ang sinabi ni Cristo na “Ako at ang Ama ay iisa” sa Juan 10:30 ay7 hindi mapagbabatayan na si Cristo ay Diyos.

All Catholics and Protestants must reject the Trinitarian doctrines and depart from these false religions!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#34 Jun 2, 2014
Roma 9:5

“Na sa kanila ang mga magulang, at sa kanila mula ang Cristo ayon sa laman, na siyang lalo sa lahat, Dios na maluwalhati magpakailan man, Siya nawa.”

Alam ba ninyo na maging ang nasa Roma 9:5 ay tinatanggihan din ng marami bilang batayan ng paniniwala na Diyos si Cristo? Na ang talatang ito ay hindi katunayang si Cristo ay Diyos? Ayon sa mga nagsusuri sa talatang ito ang Diyos na binabanggit sa talatang ito ay tumutukoy sa Ama at hindi kay Cristo. Ganito ang pahayag ni Everett F. harrison, isang tagapagturong Protestante:

“Subalit, ang 'Diyos na siyang lalo sa lahat' ba ang tamang pagkasalin? Dahil sa iniiwasan ni Pablo sa ibang dako ang gayong tiyak na pagkilala, sa kabila ng kaniyang mataas na antas sa Cristolohiya , tinatanggihan ng ibang iskolar ang tradisyunal na pagkakasalin, kinakatigan ang ibang pagkakasalin tulad ng sa NEB (New English Bible):'Nawa ang Diyos, kataas-taasan sa lahat, ay purihin magpakailan man'. Ito'y nangangahulugang dapat tanggapin ang pangwakas na bahagi ng talata bilang isang doxologia at ipinapatutungkol sa Diyos (ang Ama).”

“But is 'God over all' the correct translation? On the ground that elsewhere Paul avoids such a stark identification, despite his high Christology, some scholars reject the traditional rendering, preferring something on the order of NEB:'May God, supreme above all, be blessed for ever'.' This involves taking the closing portion of the verse as a doxology and referring it to God the Father.”

Reference: The Expositor's Bible Commentary with the New International Version, vol. 10, p. 103. Gaebelin, Frank E., General Editor. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan Publishing House, 1976.

All Vatican-duped Catholics and Protestants must depart from their cults and reject its false teachings!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#35 Jun 7, 2014
Maging ang Protestanteng teologo na si Werner Georg Kummel, na bagaman naniniwala rin na si Cristo ay Diyos, ay hindi sang-ayon na si Cristo ang Diyos na tinutukoy sa Roma 9:5. Ganito ang kaniyang pahayag:

“… Bilang pagsasaalang-alang sa mga teksto o talatang ito, kung gayon, hindi mapag-aalinlanganan na ang laging pinagdedebatehang pagpapala sa Roma 9:5 ('sa kanila[mga Israelita] nagmula ang Cristo ayon sa laman – ang Diyos na maluwalhati magpakailan man, Siya nawa') ay tumutukoy lamang sa Diyos, bagaman batay sa palaugnayan (syntax) ay maaring tumutukoy kay Cristo. Na ang Diyos ang tinutukoy rito ay pinatutunayan ng paggamit ni Pablo, na ginamit na walang pagtatangi ang salitang 'Diyos' para sa Diyos Ama at higit pa rito ay hindi magawang ipakilala ang 'Cristo ayon sa laman' bilang 'Diyos na siyang lalo sa lahat'. Kaya nananatiling totoo at walang pag-aalinlangan na iniwasan na tawagin ni Pablo si Cristo na 'Diyos'.“

“… In view of these texts , then, it cannot be doubted that the much debated blessing in Rom. 9: 5 ('from them [the Israelites] comes Christ according to the flesh – the God who is over all is blessed forever, Amen') can refer only to God, although the syntax would allow reference to Christ. That here God must be meant is confirmed by the usage of Paul, who without exception employs the word 'God' for God the Father and who moreover could not chracterize the 'Christ according to the flesh as the “God over all'. Therefore it holds true without qualification that Paul avoids calling Christ 'God'.”

Refernce: Kummel, Werner Georg.The Theology of the New Testament, p. 164. Nashville and New York: Abington Press, 1973.

All Roman Catholics and Protestants must improve their very low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#40 Jun 12, 2014
Not only from the ranks of Catholic priests wherein there are admissions that the New Testament does not mention Christ as God. These are also what are being discovered from Protestant theologians. Let us examine the statement of Allan Richardson in his book An Introduction to the Theology of the New Testament:

“The New Testament nowhere says tout court that Christ is God.”

Reference: Richardson, Allan. An Introductioin to the Theology of the New Testament, p. 63. London, Great Britain: SLM Press Ltd., 1958.

According to Allan Richardson, a Protestant theologian, who believes that Christ is God, nothing can be read from the New Testament that says Christ is God.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
answer me

Meycauayan, Philippines

#41 Jun 12, 2014
Blavlablavla instead of respecting each other this happens. Well its quite entertaining though.... God loves you and the whole world Elias.
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#44 Jun 18, 2014
Perhaps, you had been surprised on what you came to know that those proselytizing the teaching that Christ is God, from the ranks of Catholic priests to that of the Protestant preachers, have admitted that it could never be found in the New Testament that Christ is God:

“Paul never specifically states that Jesus was God, though he told the converts in Colossae that Jesus was the 'image' or 'ikon' of the invisible God ...”

Reference: Wilson, A.N. Jesus: A Life, p. 20. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, In., 1992.

From the studies made by A.N. Wilson about the life of our Lord Jesus Christ, he never found out that Apostle Paul had made a clear and sure declaration that Christ is God.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#45 Jun 23, 2014
Even Protestant theologian, Georg Kummel, had attested that the Apostle Paul had "avoided" calling Christ 'God'. This is what he said:

“It is evident, further, from the fact that Paul avoids calling Christ 'God' that he has no idea of equating them.”

Reference: Kummel, Georg W. The Theology of the New Testament, p. 164. Trans. John F. Steely . New York & Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1973.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#46 Jun 29, 2014
A well-known Catholic theologian, Hans Kung, also agreed that Apostle Paul in his epistles never called Christ 'God':

“… But on the other hand Jesus is scarcely ever directly called 'God' and never by Paul himself ...”

Reference: Hans Kung. On Being A Christian, p. 440. New York: Image Book, 19 66.

Roman Catholic and Protestant theologians had admitted that Apostle Paul never called Jesus Christ 'God'.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#47 Jul 2, 2014
It is admitted by theologians from the ranks of Catholics and Protestants that Christ was never called “God” by Apostle Paul. Why did not Apostle Paul called Christ “God”? What does Apostle Paul recognize about the true nature of our Lord Jesus Christ? This is what Apostle Paul teaches:

“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus …“(I Tim. 2:5, NIV)

The belief of Apostle Paul is that there is only one true God. He can't call Christ 'God' because this will be in opposition to his personal belief that the Father is the only God (1 Cor. 8:6). To Apostle Paul, Christ is a man and He is the only Mediator between God and men.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#49 Jul 9, 2014
answer me wrote:
Blavlablavla instead of respecting each other this happens. Well its quite entertaining though.... God loves you and the whole world Elias.
Answer,

God loves everyone in the Iglesia ni Cristo because He is the planter of the true Church of Christ!!! The Iglesia ni Cristo is composed of the Vine (Christ) and branches (members) and God is the Vinedresser!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#50 Jul 29, 2014
The same belief can also be discerned from the declarations of Apostle Peter about our Lord Jesus Christ. This is what had been proven by a former Catholic nun, Karen Armstrong, who studied about the history of the life of Christ. This is what she discovered:

“… Peter did not claim that Jesus of Nazareth was God. He 'was a man, commended to you by God by the miracles and portents and signs that God worked through him when he was among you'...”

Reference: Armstrong, Karen. A History of God, p. 107. Great Britain: Mandarin Paperbacks, 1994.

It is very clear that Christ was never called “God” by Apostles Peter and Paul, and this has been proven by those who themselves taught the teaching that Christ is God.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Hick

Buffalo, NY

#51 Jul 29, 2014
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:

“… Peter did not claim that Jesus of Nazareth was God...
...It is very clear that Christ was never called “God” by Apostles Peter and Paul, and this has been proven by those who themselves taught the teaching that Christ is God.
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
King James Bible, John 6:68:

Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#52 Jul 31, 2014
Hick wrote:
<quoted text>
King James Bible, John 6:68:
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.
HIck,

Lord does not mean God!!! It means Master!!! The Lordship of Christ was given to Him by God while the Lordship of God is inherent for no one gave it to Him!!!

No one can be reconciled to God without first being reconciled to Christ!!! Christ is the Mediator between God and men!!! You can't be mediated to God without belonging to His body which is the Church, the Church of Christ or Iglesia ni Cristo!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#53 Jul 31, 2014
Did the Lord Jesus Christ Himself declares or introduces that He is God? This is what is proven by a Protestant writer, John Robertson:

“… Jesus never claims to be God,…“

Reference: Robertson, John A.T. Honest To God, p. 73. London: SCM PressLtd., 1963

Why did not Jesus Christ declared Himself as 'God'? How did Christ introduce Himself? Let us examine what He said:

“I am a man who has told you the truth I heard from God. But you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.”(Ako ay tao na nagsasabi sa inyo ng katotohanan na aking narinig sa Diyos. Subalit tinatangka ninyo akong patayin. Walang ginawang gayon si Abraham.)(John 8:40, Easy-to-Read Version)

Christ had introduced Himself as a man. Never did He introduce Himself as God, thus, it is not surprising if He was never called “God” by the apostles.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#56 Aug 6, 2014
Who then had declared that Christ is God? This is what a Catholic priest had said:

“… He was God. And this was the interpretation placed upon His words by those who hated them.”

Reference: A.D. Fr. Apologetics: A Course on Religious Instruction, p. 95. Nihil Obstat: Fr. Virgilio Soriano, Censur; Imprimatur: A.G. Casas, V. Gen. Philippines: Daughters of St. Paul, Phil., 1961.

"He was God" and this was the interpretation placed upon the words of Jesus Christ by those who hated His statements. Therefore, they had a mis-interpretation about what He said.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#58 Aug 12, 2014
Is it not true that the statement of Christ in John 10:30 -”I and the Father are one”- that was given a wrong interpretation by those who hated Christ before, is one of the verses that was used as basis by those who are teaching at present that He is God? The mistaken interpretation that Christ had introduced Himself as God was forced upon Christ – that Christ had said that He is God although He had never said this. If Christ had said that He and the Father are one, it does not mean that He is God. In the said declaration, Christ had made known that He is in unity or one with the Father in taking care of the sheep in His flock (John 10:27-30):

"My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#59 Aug 16, 2014
It must be noted and understood that the New Testament never is teaching that our Lord Jesus Christ is God; and that Christ never said that He is God; and had introduced Himself as a man:

"As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things." (Jonh 8:40, NIV)

Christ is a man who is telling the truth which He heard from God!!! He is not God but a man who heard the truth from the Father, the only true God.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS SATANAS IBARRA

Manassas, VA

#61 Aug 16, 2014
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
It must be noted and understood that the New Testament never is teaching that our Lord Jesus Christ is God; and that Christ never said that He is God; and had introduced Himself as a man:
"As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things." (Jonh 8:40, NIV)
Christ is a man who is telling the truth which He heard from God!!! He is not God but a man who heard the truth from the Father, the only true God.
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
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ELIAS SATANAS IBARRAT! You are ALWAYS wrong!
read
the NEW TESTAMENT that JESUS said HE is GOD! He said to SATAN LIKE you
and
(Memorize->the NEW TESTAMENT-> LUKE 4:12 & MATTHEW 4:7- IT IS WRITTEN! YOU SHALL NOT PUT the LORD ( JESUS),<-your-> GOD ( JESUS) to the-> T E S T!!!!!!!
.
nothinng in the Bible that God Created Satan?

Soo? WHO created -> SATAN (like you)?
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#64 Sep 19, 2014
The Iglesia ni Cristo as a unified organization is not only composed of Filipinos but of 118 ethnicities coming from 102 countries and territories!!! The Iglesia ni Cristo is always correct because She follows the teachings of the Bible while your cults in Catholicism and Protestantism fabricate and delete or add-subtract biblical tenets!!!

And wans't Israel, being the first nation of God, composed of only Israelites??? Were there Catholics and Protestants in the first nation of God??? A BIG NO!!!

Todays' Christianity which is the Iglesia ni Cristo will be composed of ethnicities all over the world depending on God's will when He adds to the Church those who will be saved!!! It is God who adds and increases our members!!! And no spurious religion can restrain His will regarding salvation!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#65 Oct 28, 2014
ELIAS SATANAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
.
ELIAS SATANAS IBARRAT! You are ALWAYS wrong!
read
the NEW TESTAMENT that JESUS said HE is GOD! He said to SATAN LIKE you
and
(Memorize->the NEW TESTAMENT-> LUKE 4:12 & MATTHEW 4:7- IT IS WRITTEN! YOU SHALL NOT PUT the LORD ( JESUS),<-your-> GOD ( JESUS) to the-> T E S T!!!!!!!
.
nothinng in the Bible that God Created Satan?
Soo? WHO created -> SATAN (like you)?
Pagan cretin,

Debate with a Catholic theologian who stated the following in direct opposition to your own opinion:

“Jesus is never called God in the Synoptic Gospels, and a passage like Mk. 10:18 would seem to preclude the possibility that Jesus used the title of himself. Even the fourth Gospel never portrays Jesus as saying specifically that he is God. The sermons which Acts attributes to the beginning of the Christian mission do not speak of Jesus as God. Thus, there is no reason that Jesus was called God in the earliest layers of the New Testament tradition. This negative conclusion is substantiated by the fact that Paul does not use the title in any epistle written before 58 ...”

Reference: Brown, Raymund F., Jesus: God and Man, p. 30. Milwaukee: The Bruce Publishing Company, n.d.

Improve your very low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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