Fiscal cliff: unhappy Republicans attack GOP leadership - US politics live

Jan 2, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Guardian Unlimited

John Boehner's tenure as Speaker said to be under threat as House Republicans spread blame for fiscal cliff debacle Speaker of the House John Boehner entering the House chamber to vote on fiscal cliff legislation last night.

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<quoted text>$10.6 trillion was the deficit when Bush left, plus the two wars on credit...Experts have placed their total at $4 trillion, plus aftercare.....$14.6 trillion from $16.6 trillion, leave's $2 trillion that President Obama is responsible for.....
Debunked long ago tinkerbell.

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Bush kept both wars, totally off the books....so Obama could never be responsible for $5.5 trillion....
Still waiting on that proof tinkerbell.

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Another nugget of information never talked about - the amount of money Bush borrowed from Social Security to offset the actual budget numbers;
"Lie No. 2: "To make sure the retirement savings of America's seniors are not diverted to any other program, my budget protects all [...] of the Social Security surplus for Social Security, and for Social Security alone."—Bush's Feb. 27, 2001 Address to Joint Session of Congress.
TRUTH: George W. Bush's budgets, since then, have taken $509 billion of surpluses from the Social Security Trust Fund and used them for general Federal budget expenses, including his wars, so that he could deliver tax cuts to businesses and wealthy Americans.
While other President's have also "borrowed" Social Security surplus for their budgets, Bush and his father are the only two Presidents who have looted every single dollar of Social Security surplus that came into the Trust Fund on their watch. Senator Harry Reid of Nevada has rightly called this "embezzlement," on the floor of the Senate."
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/site_pa...
"The federal budget surplus of 2000 quickly disappeared when Bush took office, turning into a sea of red ink. Bush borrowed heavily from the Social Security surplus to help obscure the fact that federal taxes were not bringing in enough revenue to pay for the wars and his tax cuts."
http://blog.ourfuture.org/20110406/pay-back-t...
Use CBO numbers or go back to the sandpile.

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Go Blue Forever wrote:
Bush kept both wars, totally off the books....so Obama could never be responsible for $5.5 trillion....
"Emergency spending" is still part of the deficit (included in Bush's deficit).

Obama has funded part of the wars in the same manner.

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"Emergency spending" is still part of the deficit (included in Bush's deficit).
Obama has funded part of the wars in the same manner.
It's cool, you defend your guy....i get it, But if you take the time to watch a show, Gasland ...on HBO or free on youtube, you can see one of the absolute worst acts by Bush/Cheney....pushing through legislation, opening the BLM lands(Bureau of Land Management), these are large areas of federal lands, technically owned by the taxpayers....you and i.....what they did was open up their drilling to big oil.....Since then, the fracking(drilling) for natural gas, has poisoned ground water and well waters, across this nation.....i don't know how to put a figure on that kind of harm.....

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au contraire wrote:
<Still waiting on that proof tinkerbell.
Still waiting on your proof, Au Dumbo.

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Debunked long ago tinkerbell.
How are those 14 swing states working out for you, Au Dumbo?

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<quoted text>Hi stupid.
Why don't you change your bib, BottleQueen? You are a frightful mess!

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Still waiting on your proof, Au Dumbo.
Repitition: Excuse number 10. Just tell everyone you are a liar. It will be easier for you.
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<quoted text>Repitition: Excuse number 10. Just tell everyone you are a liar. It will be easier for you.
Take your own advice....you're the biggest liar on Topix by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrr!!

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<quoted text>Take your own advice....you're the biggest liar on Topix by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrr!!
Eventually, i just go back to ignoring him, her...whatever.....

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<quoted text>Take your own advice....you're the biggest liar on Topix by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrr!!
You know what is really funny. The idiot liberals owe everything they have to the constitution, the freedom, the free speech to be stupid, the right to be a palper or a millionaire and the protection it mandates through the bill of rights and yet they want to destroy it. Talk about idiots in action......sheeeesh.
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<quoted text>You know what is really funny. The idiot liberals owe everything they have to the constitution, the freedom, the free speech to be stupid, the right to be a palper or a millionaire and the protection it mandates through the bill of rights and yet they want to destroy it. Talk about idiots in action......sheeeesh.
lol! Actually, it's the dumb cons who want to "protect" the Constitution by changing it.

How stupid is that?
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<quoted text>You know what is really funny. The idiot liberals owe everything they have to the constitution, the freedom, the free speech to be stupid, the right to be a palper or a millionaire and the protection it mandates through the bill of rights and yet they want to destroy it. Talk about idiots in action......sheeeesh.
you always have to prove it don't you....just that you are an idiot!!! Keep on posting it and prove it in everypost you write...we'll keep laughing and pointing at you...

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<quoted text>lol! Actually, it's the dumb cons who want to "protect" the Constitution by changing it.
How stupid is that?
Give us an instance pookie. Let's see what ya got besides lies. Name one conservative that has ask the constitution to be changed.
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<quoted text>Give us an instance pookie. Let's see what ya got besides lies. Name one conservative that has ask the constitution to be changed.
lol! Your turn my little kumquat. Let's see what ya got!

Clearly, I've now shown the truth and therefore, proven you a liar at the same time!

Let's see if you're as smart as you profess to be, son!

"Conservatives Open New Congress With Unconstitutional Bill To End Birthright Citizenship

By Ian Millhiser on Jan 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm

The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution expressly provides that nearly anyone born in the United States is a citizen, regardless of the immigration status of their parents. Yet, despite the Constitution’s clear command, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) wants to ignore our founding document and prevent the children of undocumented immigrants from becoming citizens:

It’s the first week of the 113th Congress, and one House member is already trying to stop children born in the United States to undocumented parents — whom he calls “anchor babies”— from gaining citizenship.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), an outspoken hardliner on immigration, introduced a bill on Thursday that would “clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.” The Supreme Court has consistently held that anyone born in the United States, regardless of their parents’ immigration status, should receive citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

King disagrees, as do 13 co-sponsors on the bill, including Reps. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) and Mo Brooks (R-Ala.).

The Constitution is clear that King’s bill is unconstitutional. Under the Fourteenth Amendment,“[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” The word “jurisdiction” refers to people that are subject to American law. Thus foreign diplomats and their families, who are granted broad immunity from U.S. law, are not entitled to citizenship under the 14th Amendment. Likewise, at the time the Fourteenth Amendment was drafted many Native Americans were subject only to tribal law and thus were not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. Undocumented immigrants and their children, by contrast, are not immune to U.S. law. And thus fit squarely within the Fourteenth Amendment’s command...."

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<quoted text>Give us an instance pookie. Let's see what ya got besides lies. Name one conservative that has ask the constitution to be changed.
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<quoted text>lol! Your turn my little kumquat. Let's see what ya got!
Clearly, I've now shown the truth and therefore, proven you a liar at the same time!
Let's see if you're as smart as you profess to be, son!
"Conservatives Open New Congress With Unconstitutional Bill To End Birthright Citizenship
By Ian Millhiser on Jan 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm
The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution expressly provides that nearly anyone born in the United States is a citizen, regardless of the immigration status of their parents. Yet, despite the Constitution’s clear command, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) wants to ignore our founding document and prevent the children of undocumented immigrants from becoming citizens:
It’s the first week of the 113th Congress, and one House member is already trying to stop children born in the United States to undocumented parents — whom he calls “anchor babies”— from gaining citizenship.
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), an outspoken hardliner on immigration, introduced a bill on Thursday that would “clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.” The Supreme Court has consistently held that anyone born in the United States, regardless of their parents’ immigration status, should receive citizenship under the 14th Amendment.
King disagrees, as do 13 co-sponsors on the bill, including Reps. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) and Mo Brooks (R-Ala.).
The Constitution is clear that King’s bill is unconstitutional. Under the Fourteenth Amendment,“[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” The word “jurisdiction” refers to people that are subject to American law. Thus foreign diplomats and their families, who are granted broad immunity from U.S. law, are not entitled to citizenship under the 14th Amendment. Likewise, at the time the Fourteenth Amendment was drafted many Native Americans were subject only to tribal law and thus were not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. Undocumented immigrants and their children, by contrast, are not immune to U.S. law. And thus fit squarely within the Fourteenth Amendment’s command...."
All the republican is saying is to obey the 14th ammendment that was their for slaves and american indians, not illegals invading our country. You do understand what clarify means vs. Dismantling it don't you. I guess you couldn't find a real one huh.

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<quoted text>you always have to prove it don't you....just that you are an idiot!!! Keep on posting it and prove it in everypost you write...we'll keep laughing and pointing at you...
You've been laughing at the constitution for years pookie. We know you hate this country, God and the constitution.

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<quoted text>It's cool, you defend your guy....i get it, But if you take the time to watch a show, Gasland ...on HBO or free on youtube, you can see one of the absolute worst acts by Bush/Cheney....pushing through legislation, opening the BLM lands(Bureau of Land Management), these are large areas of federal lands, technically owned by the taxpayers....you and i.....what they did was open up their drilling to big oil.....Since then, the fracking(drilling) for natural gas, has poisoned ground water and well waters, across this nation.....i don't know how to put a figure on that kind of harm.....
It's not about defending anyone... just pointing out the more realistic numbers.

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