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Gary Griggs, Our Ocean Backyard: Weather, climate and coastlines

There are 2 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Oct 6, 2012, titled Gary Griggs, Our Ocean Backyard: Weather, climate and coastlines. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

The 100-plus degree temperatures of Monday and Tuesday around Santa Cruz County might have made global warming believers out of a few people.

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litesong

Everett, WA

#1 Oct 6, 2012
From the Article:
The Arctic sea ice minimum extent this year was almost 300,000 square miles(twice the area of California) smaller than the previous minimum set in September 2007, which itself was an incredible drop.
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litesong wrote:
A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) the last four days, showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & landforms. Four days ago, Arctic sea ice expansion was only the size of West Virginia! Three days ago, THE ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA EXPANSION WAS ONLY AS TINY AS DELAWARE!
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice:
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is BELOW any recorded level in any previous year, at 4,173,594 km2 (October 3, 2012), fractionally gaining ~7,000 km2(a bit more than tiny Delaware area) of sea ice the previous day, the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, & temps above the 80th parallel, at -13 degC. Temps on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are dropping well below freezing, yet Arctic Ocean & seas still remain remarkably free of sea ice. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.
It is incredible how the southern Arctic waters resist the ever increasing darkness & cold atmospheric temperatures trying to convert water to sea ice(yes, only Delaware area, this past day).
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is about the same or below any minimum Arctic sea ice of any recorded year, & has been for 5-6 weeks, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,256,875 km2 (October 5, 2012). Over the last two days, only the area represented by S. Carolina has become sea ice, despite the sun, unseen, from North Pole for ~2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 14 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -10degC.

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, waters north of Alaska & waters even north of Russian Islands, Franz Joseph Land, & Svalbard are ice free. Year long sea ices have been in place north of Canada & Greenland. The farthest southerly reaching sea ices are along the east coast of Greenland. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months are resisting their conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered, have transported extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.

Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.
litesong

Everett, WA

#2 Oct 10, 2012
litesong wrote:
A stunning performance(a non-performance) showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on, in great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & against landforms.
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice. Except for the sea ices north of Greenland & Canadian islands, the Arctic ice pack shows a strong resemblance to a semi-circle, strengthening the assumption that Arctic Ocean waters & seas have very strongly absorbed solar energies the last 3 months, due to the rotating Earth, variably tilted towards the sun.
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litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is a bit greater than the lowest minimum of 2 years recorded, either by satellite or submarine data, at 4,574,688 km2 (October 8, 2012). A size area represented by only Indiana became sea ice the past day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for well over 2 weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel averaging minus 15 degC, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean dropping as low as -17degC. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.

Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above the next lowest two years' minimum Arctic sea ice extent, at 4,662,344 km2 (October 9, 2012). However, present extent is dated almost a month later, than the date that the 3rd place year established its mark. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have slipped to (-15.5 degC), a bit less than normal. Temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are most often freezing, some areas below minus double digits, & one temperature as low as -23degC. But southern Arctic sea ice area has increased by smaller than the size of Maine today, showing the undue excess warmth of the Arctic Ocean.

Much of that sea ice increase is along the Greenland east coast, altho Arctic ice pack is closer to the Russian islands, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, again in the semi-circular pattern mentioned above.

A detail noted is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincident with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, IF NOT MORE, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern? Such a vast swirl at such a huge scale would be impossible...... wouldn't it?

Almost all large region southerly Arctic waters, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast passage, & waters north of mentioned islands remain ice free. Bulging southward proceeding sea icing at the west end of the Northwest Passage should continue, & will close off the Northwest Passage. Internal icing is also occurring inside the Northwest Passage. Nearby double digit minus temperatures are opposing the months of solar warmth built up in the Passage, to ice the Passage.

Downwellings in unusual clear Arctic waters, normally sea ice covered in decades past, for three months have & even now still transport extra solar energy to continental shelf & Arctic Ocean & sea depths.

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