Skull Valley lawmaker wants both side...

Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

There are 1632 comments on the Verde Independent story from Feb 5, 2013, titled Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students. In it, Verde Independent reports that:

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#895 Apr 11, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
That seems to sum it up.
Translation: One idea is all I can handle and I like this one..

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#896 Apr 11, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Translation: One idea is all I can handle and I like this one..
Translation: I will resort to posting more bs and lies.
SpaceBlues

United States

#897 Apr 11, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> I will resort to posting more bs and lies.
TRUE.

That's what you do. We knew it already.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#898 Apr 11, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
Wonderful attitude.
"F*CK future generations. I got MINE."
You sound surprised!'lyin' brian' is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND 4-time alleged & 4-time proud threatener.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#899 Apr 11, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>If emissions were changing the climate, then the first place you should be protesting and crapping on police cars is in CHINA. Have a safe trip.
Greenhouse gas emissions *ARE* contributing to climate change.

Since I haven't the luxury of visiting China, and even if I did, it would not be wise to provoke Chinese authorities as a US citizen. It is also unlikely that they would respond to an e-mail barrage from well-meaning North American 'tree-huggers'.

Besides, the locals in China are doing their own protesting:

"In China, public anger over secrecy on environment"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/10/us-...

(among other, similar articles)

The bottom line is, if your room is too warm, you don't turn UP the heat, and slip on a sweater.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#900 Apr 11, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
You sound surprised!'lyin' brian' is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND 4-time alleged & 4-time proud threatener.
Nah. Nothing about BrianG surprises me any more.

It seems as though you know him better than most.
I'll defer to your more direct assessment of him.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#901 Apr 11, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>TRUE.
That's what you do. We knew it already.
That was written to you and your Alarmists buddies, no wonder you are confused, you can't even read a reply and get it right....LOL

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#902 Apr 11, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Greenhouse gas emissions *ARE* contributing to climate change.
According to who? The United Nations...LOL. Of course it has nothing to do with increased solar activity because that doesn't bring in the big bucks. Professor Ian Clark, an expert in palaeoclimatology from the University of Ottawa, claims that warmer periods of the Earth's history came around 800 years before rises in carbon dioxide levels. After the Second World War, there was a huge surge in carbon dioxide emissions, yet global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#903 Apr 11, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>According to who? The United Nations...LOL. Of course it has nothing to do with increased solar activity because that doesn't bring in the big bucks. Professor Ian Clark, an expert in palaeoclimatology from the University of Ottawa, claims that warmer periods of the Earth's history came around 800 years before rises in carbon dioxide levels. After the Second World War, there was a huge surge in carbon dioxide emissions, yet global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.
....so you're saying greenhouse gas levels have no effect of climate?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#904 Apr 11, 2013
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litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#905 Apr 11, 2013
riccardofireflameout wrote:
According to who?
The great arbiters of science, the re-pubic-lick-uns, whose vast majority of members, never had science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc in their poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas, don't believe in AGW....... nuff said.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#906 Apr 11, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
....so you're saying greenhouse gas levels have no effect of climate?
After the Second World War, there was a huge surge in carbon dioxide emissions, yet global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940. I believe in facts not alarmists.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#907 Apr 11, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
The great arbiters of science, the re-pubic-lick-uns, whose vast majority of members, never had science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc in their poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas, don't believe in AGW....... nuff said.
You sound like the true liberal, changing names and posting more crap. Sad that facts hurt your religion, go pray to Rev. Gore, maybe he can help.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#908 Apr 12, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>After the Second World War, there was a huge surge in carbon dioxide emissions, yet global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940. I believe in facts not alarmists.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/...

<<Begin Cut/Paste>>

"Last of the Glaciers; Effects of Rising CO2 Delayed as Much as 50 Years, Analysis Finds

Oct. 25, 2011 — A new analysis of climate change data and the effects of rising levels of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxides suggests that we are at the end of the period in Earth's history during which icy glaciers form. The study further suggests that the effects of rising CO2 levels is delayed by as much as 50 years, but global average temperature might be as much as 5 degrees higher than it is today by the year 2100.

Writing in the International Journal of Global Warming, Wojciech Budzianowski of Wroc&#322;aw University of Technology, in Poland, explains that the thermal response of Earth's climate to atmospheric greenhouse gases lags behind the rise in concentration of those gases, including carbon dioxide.

The atmospheric concentration of is increasing at the alarming rate of about 2 parts per million by volume per year. At the beginning of the industrial revolution levels were 220 ppmv, today they are around 390 ppmv, the highest they have been in Earth's history for 15 million years. "It is likely that the increased content of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is one of the major causes of the differences between mean annual temperatures in the late 1800s and those existing today, i.e. about 0.8 degrees," explains Budzianowski. He hopes to elucidate the fundamental mechanisms of global warming and to provide the necessary tools to usefully describe this complex phenomenon, something that is lacking in the current scientific literature.

From his analysis, Budzianowski points out that the self-oscillatory behaviour of past climates that see the periodic build-up and melting of large masses of glaciers in the Arctic and Antarctic regions is no longer valid. The obvious cause being the sudden rise in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations that are a much larger thermal trigger than the reflectivity, or albedo, and heat capacity of Earth or any fluctuations in heat and light from the sun reaching the planet. As such, there will be no build up of ice cover and glaciers in the future, so the cycle is broken.

"Earth is a dynamical system and global warming is a complex dynamical phenomenon. The current paper proposes basic directions in dynamic modelling of global warming that might be useful in projections of future climate evolution," concludes Budzianowski."

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PHD

Thornton, TX

#909 Apr 12, 2013
End scientific science fiction cut and paste.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#910 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
We want our children to learn both sides, the politically driven hysteria and the science. Our children will learn the customs of the community, and critical thinking. They aren't teaching the importance of experiments for verifying theories so we teach our children at home.
Don't buy a pig in a poke.
Yes, here is evidence to support the premise that kids are not being taught the importance of experiments.

Today a news story reporting a science study informs us that models are the preferred scientific method for discovering what will likely happen to Earth's climate.

The basis of science no longer requires the Experiment.

"This is the basis of science: frame a hypothesis, make a prediction from it and then check the evidence to see if the hypothesis is wrong."

http://www.climatenewsnetwork.net/2013/04/mis...
PHD

Thornton, TX

#911 Apr 12, 2013
As the world turns more scientific science fiction useless babble.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#912 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/...
<<Begin Cut/Paste>>
"Last of the Glaciers; Effects of Rising CO2 Delayed as Much as 50 Years, Analysis Finds
Oct. 25, 2011 — A new analysis of climate change data and the effects of rising levels of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxides suggests that we are at the end of the period in Earth's history during which icy glaciers form. The study further suggests that the effects of rising CO2 levels is delayed by as much as 50 years, but global average temperature might be as much as 5 degrees higher than it is today by the year 2100.
Writing in the International Journal of Global Warming, Wojciech Budzianowski of Wroc&#322;aw University of Technology, in Poland, explains that the thermal response of Earth's climate to atmospheric greenhouse gases lags behind the rise in concentration of those gases, including carbon dioxide.
The atmospheric concentration of is increasing at the alarming rate of about 2 parts per million by volume per year. At the beginning of the industrial revolution levels were 220 ppmv, today they are around 390 ppmv, the highest they have been in Earth's history for 15 million years. "It is likely that the increased content of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is one of the major causes of the differences between mean annual temperatures in the late 1800s and those existing today, i.e. about 0.8 degrees," explains Budzianowski. He hopes to elucidate the fundamental mechanisms of global warming and to provide the necessary tools to usefully describe this complex phenomenon, something that is lacking in the current scientific literature.
From his analysis, Budzianowski points out that the self-oscillatory behaviour of past climates that see the periodic build-up and melting of large masses of glaciers in the Arctic and Antarctic regions is no longer valid. The obvious cause being the sudden rise in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations that are a much larger thermal trigger than the reflectivity, or albedo, and heat capacity of Earth or any fluctuations in heat and light from the sun reaching the planet. As such, there will be no build up of ice cover and glaciers in the future, so the cycle is broken.
"Earth is a dynamical system and global warming is a complex dynamical phenomenon. The current paper proposes basic directions in dynamic modelling of global warming that might be useful in projections of future climate evolution," concludes Budzianowski."
<<End cut/paste>>
More scare and scare, you forgot to mention there will be no more snow. Earth has had different cycles. Come out of your bunker, it's safe now. Several times in the history of the earth huge sheets of ice, or glaciers, covered large portions of its continents. Then they melted. Study some 3rd grade history.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#913 Apr 12, 2013
alarmists just keep preaching doom and gloom, who will save them? Gore?

“Headline already in use”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#914 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
Wonderful attitude. "F*CK future generations. I got MINE."
I try to keep a positive outlook.

Have you ever noticed how often climate alarmists use profanity? They seem to have a problem with rationality.

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