Kilimanjaro ice is melting fast. Global warming it here and real.

[frank miller]

Nothing is being debunked idiot stalking 'Earthling
#20'at least not on a regional high density 'heat island'exponentially affected since the last 200
years of concrete jungles, replacing 1,000,000 acres of temperate forests, and tropical water refluxing rainforests//month over the last 400 years of accelerating civilizations, when compared to practically standing still proud ancient indigenous natives who suffer either from droughts
caused Deforestations or soil erosions also by roots adhesion losses rigidity during the latest
Samoan, and Sumatrans typhoons/monsoons!
Science is not democratic, in the sense that the majority votes makes any hypothesis, premise right!

So your obtuse insensitive remark after the last 11,000 years mini-Ice age, which I think is totally
irrelevant, but were it not for its gratuous
implications, God knows what those are,:" Yet another warmist theory debunked." in the light of
regional GW{desertification} and regional Global Cooling {more rains, more snows} is totally
cavalier considering your presence on Topix since February 2009, and I think some time earlier with constant contradictions whence nobody really knows where you stand!
F.M.

[frank miller]

Here is an example of you stalking me on another
thread today "Earthling" by writing that a 1 degree
F.rise {not C} in overall World temperature, would balance out some other place cooling therefore, negligible effect on agricultural crops productivi-ty!!?? Now you got that imbecile "NobodyYouKnow"
peanut gallery, writing the most obtuse rebuttal, to yours!! For God's sake idiot, there's such huge seasonal temperature differences, from coast to coast in the U.S.; from Northern Hemisphere, to Southern hemispheres {Chile is growing avocados, once an indigenous product from California..},
and from East to West longtitudenally {we are growing rice in hot/dry Cental California for export to Asia, a hot/humid ideal climate for it;}
all because of irrigation, and smart microbiological soil treatments, nothing to do with "CO2AGW", as CO2 is the main photosynthesis
process for all growth both humans, and crops, not counting the livestock who feed on grass, and other
fortified feeds!
Now this idiot "NobodyYouKnow" puts his/her 10cents worth of nonsense, to your irrelevant
one deg F. just as the 11,000 years ago Northern Hemisphere mini-glacation period, when the entire
North West was covered with lush vegetation, as compared to today's concrete cities, pavements,
huge stretches of Texas desert as you drive East to New York, except for low height crops, in the Mid-West!! He/she after I have corrected him/her
at least 20 times since February 2009, writes that that one degree F.rise is significant, when the whole purpose on my #1 and #2 posts, was that
microbial soil treatments/right choice of nitrogen/and phosphate balanced fertilizers overwhelm any effect of whatever illusionary
"CO2AGW" effects! Now its obvious he/she tried to
discredit my #1,#2 and #4 posts using your butting in as catalyst! Now stop it!
F.M.

[The Truth Matters]

frank miller wrote:

Read my lines 'idiot TROLL "The Truth Matters #14':
Rainforests, you lying SOB have been decimated
whence only 36 per cent remain in the Amazon creep!
Only 35 per. cent remain in Indochina, Indonesia,
and 50 percent in Africa! That is why and you have read my posts that Rio de Janeiro Brazil will grow
20,000,000 endothermic {heat absorbing/CO2; and
very critical Oxygen {O2} replenishment for repairing the stratospheric ozone {03} hole; and cooling water {H2O} vapor bi-products of photosynthesis which no-one thought of B4 I brought it up about 4 years ago on Topix, and in 2009 since February, on at least 6 to 7 "CO2AGW"
threads! I don't need to repeat myself to some high-school drop out like you, who does not even have the vocabulary to express his/her's own
analytical objective thoughts, but who continuously
quotes others, without even having ONE single
Chemistry/Physical Chemistry text, nor reference
Encyclopedia to double-check what these so-called experts think is right or wrong!
So bugger-off and come back when you have a Chemistry Degree, an equivalent MBA for Scientists
and Engineers PLUS 45 years of very poductive Inustrial R&D; 11 pioneer U.S.foreign assigned
Fortune 100 Industrial Employers; some peer reviewed ACS papers; and numerous consulting clients after retirement; and have been working
on climate change Remedies since the last
do-nothing Thursday the 11th. 1997 Kyoto Summit
in Japan, mandating 6% to 7% drop in warming greenhouses gases by 2008/2012!!
So grow some hair kid on that weak chin of yours
kid TTM!!!
F.M.

Frank, do you have a reading comprehension problem as well as being bipolar?

I was agreeing with you that deforestation, urban heat islands and other land use changes are causing the vast majority of the warming trends [as well as changes in precipitation patterns] we are seeing in the land-based temperature records. Cities are known to change precipitation patterns hundreds of miles away from the cities themselves as well as warming a large area surrounding the cities and still considered rural [40-50 miles away]. This puts the question to what the actual temperature trends are when a town as small as 5000 people generates a noticeable heat island effect - without blaming any increase in CO2 levels.

It is increasingly doubtful that CO2 increases are actually causing any substantial amount of the warming that we have seen. How can we blame man's CO2 emissions and curtail people's lives through more taxation when we can't even attribute the current warming to the proper cause?

We are better to concentrate our resources on reforestation and other greening projects while trying to find ways to minimize the UHI effect [and shifting to alternative fuel sources when economically feasible] rather than to piss away our money on the CO2 AGW bogeyman with little to no reduction in warming to show for the effort and vast expense.

[frank miller]

You are full of equivocating crap as usual :The Lies Matter #23:!!! Read your own post #14 idiot:

Of course cities emitting huge trillions of B.t.u., and kilocalories every milliseconds idiot, and I don't care what your ignorant Purdue researchers came up with, freak, affect air masses
moving usually the same direction from East to West
Earth's rotation!
If you were a real Scientist/Chemist you would transpose in a huge vehicular travelled city like grid-locked Los Angeles from 7AM to 7PM, releasing
7600 kilocalories per mole of gasoline exothermic heat/vehicle to the atmosphere via tail pipes, heat exchange radiators, hoods; and thats not counting the trillions of absorbed B.t.u./kilocalories from buildings, roadways, during the 12 hr, daylight, and released to the atmosphere during the 12 hour night cycle, idiot!
Now imagine, of course if you had creative imagination, replacing all of Los Angeles, oreven New York dummy with an equal area water refluxing
endothermic {heat absorbing} the opposite of exothermic, idiot, rain forest; or even just tall
trees, with interlocking high upper canopies
as in rain-forests which keep the constan cooling refluxing rains from reaching the forest floor,
and that huge Physical Chemistry surface area of leaves evaporating water at the same rate it catches it! How much cooler would the air masses be
above that, and moving to other perhaps drier areas! So yes indeed cities as opposed to once
forests, as my Palm Springs, Palm Desert, Indio
example in reverse poited out, albeit "CO2AGW"
hav enothing to do with either mechanisms!!
So bugger off equivocator 'The Lies Matter',
and learn something before calling me 'bipolar'!!
God if you ever took differential calculus, you woud understand about transposing limits on inte-
gration of variables from on extreme to the other!
But if you don't have that in your bag of intellectual tools, you can't pragmatically differentiate the quality of work from others in the widest scope first, and then in the narrowest
regional aspect TTM!!
F.M.
the quality of work others do

[frank miller]

I repeat the line in your #14 post, which in the context of the first paragraph:" UHI warming,
and warming from other land use changes have nothing to do with any warming due to the vastly overstated CO2 effect.." So why am I 'a little confused, as your first line'!? That's exactly what I have been writing in my posts on this instant thread! But the line from the Purdue Researchers that seems inconclusive, when it should be obvious, from knowing the interlocking
high rainforest canopies,or even relatively
close dense forest 'canopies', that : Deforestation
generally results in warming , with the exception of a shift from forest to agriculture. No clear picture emerged {emerged}!! from the impact of planting or seeding new forests..."
That last sentence is of very little relief to
African indigenous natives, who no longer can till their birth lands because of 400 years of commercial colonialism razing for timber, and paper pulp! And still goes on with illegal logging
all over the rainforested World, and to some extent here in the U.S. with loggers constantly
fighting Federal regulations to encroach into more and more protected forests, and wilf-life habitats!
That's the reason why Rio de Janeiro in Brazil
will plant 20,000,000 trees for the 2016 Summer Olympics, as CO2/heat offsets! Same in Los Angeles and New York who have comitted 3 years ago to planting 1,000,000 city/urban sidewalk trees, Wisconsin made the same pledge earlier this year! But your Purdue model researchers are not pragmatic, simply because they don't understand
nor visualized how rainforest function as distilling colums! Temperate forest act in the same way, but more water vapor than raw H2O is recondensed! You often see mists in temperate forests, and those come from the more open 'canopies' allowing water to strike the forest floor, and evaporate in the cool of the morning, or as Fall/Winter approaches!!
F.m.

rain-forest razing

[frank miller]

See that's the typical icon reactions to 'garbage in-garbage- out of absurd uneducated Purdue I imagine new school University modelers! You take a bunch of what climatetologists who don't know their ars from the ozone hole, at their frigging word, without questioning!? These are totally ignorant kids who probably never crossed the Equator, except by some virtual Computer game, but would not even know what the King Neptune
ceremony was about!
But Brazilians know, and are planting 20,000,000
trees by 2016! When fully grown one can easily calculate the amount of heat, oxygen, and cooling water vapor emitted, and incidental CO2 absorbed!
See that's the kind of pragmatic modeling, already put into action! No wonder Republicans walked out of today's mark-up on the Boxer/Kerry
climate Bill!! The rest of the world is laughing at us, as they watch C-Span too!
F.M.
F.M.

[frank miller]

Well I tell you something, with all respect to his Vice President office between 1992 and 2000, in which I thought he was good, Al Gore on David Letterman tonight on CBS came across like a total idiot. Going on and on about CO2 destroying the World, making Polar Ice caps melt, destroying coral reefs {when CO2 was much higher a million years ago..}, and albeit we have been recycling aluminum cans now for 20 years, it seems he just invented the process! Unbelievable that a grown man, would still put out that garbage with his only solution being reducing CO2 emissions!
Well Al Gore & Co it seems that you can indeed fool all the people all of the time!!
F.M.
Note: If a full grown high folliage tree like a ficus, pruned maybe once a year weighs lets say
10 tons {20,000 lbs} and is made up of CO2 repeating units as cellulose, and lets say contains 20 percent water, and it's lifetime
is a hundred years, with 640 kilocalories of photosynthesis heat absorbed per mole of CO2
{44gm./mole}, and equal moles of oxygen{O2}, and H2O as biproducts of photosynthesis how much
CO2, Heat, H2O, and oxygen be delt with by the 20,000,000 trees {20 millions} Rio de Janeiro
in Brazil lets say over a hundred years life span
as living organisms, with practically no main-
tenance!!?? Is there a mechanical equivalent?
F.M.

[Earthling]

The Truth Matters wrote:

Frank, do you have a reading comprehension problem as well as being bipolar?

Frankie certainly appears to have some issues when it comes to making decisions on how to deal with people he doesn't agree with and he has a bad memory to go with that deficiency.
Apart from that, he writes mostly incomprehensible jargon filled posts that don't belong on this type of internet forum.
His, "Correction to post #X" happens with almost every second post he writes and he adds more than enough, "Clarifications" to garbled, badly worded and badly set out posts.
Futhermore, he appears to have problem sorting out stalkers from ordinary poster or even understanding what a stalker is:

Nothing is being debunked idiot stalking 'Earthling...
Here is an example of you stalking me on another
thread today "Earthling"......

Internet forums are places for anyone to post their opinions and for them to agree or disagree with other posters on that forum as often as they wish.
Blatantly insulting people for replying to any post one cares to make is not conducive to futherment of any agreement on anything, which is another reason why proponents of AGW fail to convert anyone and Frank in particular, is doing little to help either side.

[frank miller]

Continuation of my #27 post: I even referred on another "CO2AGW" thread that at the World Forestry
Congress barely 2 weeks ago,{10/21/09} Argentine,
Brazil, and Paraguay had comitted to save 3861
square miles {one million hectares} of their most vulnerable to commercial exploitation Atlantic
Rainforest, famous for the Iguazu falls!
Now other nations attended that Conference of "net zero deforestation" {quote from newspaper}
comitments!!!
Why didn't Al Gore mention that tonight on David Letterman at CBS! That's part of the evolving
Science, and the most important aspect, simply be-
cause we can't go back to the horse-and-buggy;
we can't go back to reading by candle-light; and certainly not light up bonfires on our front
snow covered lawn to heat ourselves in the Winter!
There are finite limits Mr.Al Gore, to reducing CO2 emissions; and only talk about forests in terms of CO2 emitters as in forest-fires, which are now all believed to have been set by arsonists
and not "CO2AGW"!!
F.M.

[frank miller]

I am not interested in opinions "Earthling #28"!!
If I wanted that I would look at the daily Racing Form!! I am interested in pragmatic applications of knowledge, knowledge, knowledge! Thank you!
F.M.