Our only hope on global warming?

Oct 18, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Boston.com

IN JUNE, climate scientist David Keith and his neighbors in Calgary, Alberta, were ripping carpets and drywall from their flooded homes - again.

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LessHypeMoreFact

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Scrubbing CO2 from the air is as logical and effective as CCS storage from coal plants themselves. It doesn't work well and nobody is desperate enough and responsible enough to pay the bills for it.

Generally, the extraction and sequestration takes too much power and money which means more energy and more emissions.

One possible hope. Mineral sequestration has taken CO2 from the air in times past from 'weathering'. Rather than extracting CO2 from the emission of power plants, we COULD just take magnesium silicate minerals, grind them to 100 mesh or so and spread them over underutilized land. The natural 'weathering' would be vastly accelerated and take CO2 from the air. It would not work FAST but it would work CONTINUOUSLY so that over decades, serious amounts of CO2 could be scrubbed with just the cost of grinding and distributing.

It avoids the cost of heat to accelerate the reaction and the cost of extracting the CO2 from the waste stream. Both major savings in the energy required.
dont drink the koolaid

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Good idea. When can we start?
LessHypeMoreFact

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dont drink the koolaid wrote:
Good idea. When can we start?
As soon as saner heads prevail. But don't hold your breath.. Have you watched the news lately??
dont drink the koolaid

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Yes, two weeks BEFORE Halloween and the snow is here!
LessHypeMoreFact

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dont drink the koolaid wrote:
Yes, two weeks BEFORE Halloween and the snow is here!
Welcome to climate change. It will be warmer, colder, wetter or drier depending on the area. And then there is the distribution of extremes. Some years will be unusually cool. Others will be unusually warm, etc.
No Warming

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And someone said it takes 30 years to establish a climate pattern, now its week to week. Hmmm ...
B as in B S as in S

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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Welcome to climate change. It will be warmer, colder, wetter or drier depending on the area. And then there is the distribution of extremes. Some years will be unusually cool. Others will be unusually warm, etc.
Welcome to weather. It will be warmer, colder, wetter or drier depending on the area. And then there is the distribution of extremes. Some years will be unusually cool. Others will be unusually warm, etc.

It is good to know the difference.
SHYKORA paul arts

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...YHEE...Vhaat??...warm,hot or cold...whew...propaganda from ALL sides,here...
litesong

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drink the kkk-aid wrote:
Yes, two weeks BEFORE Halloween and the snow is here!
"lyin' brian" tells others to move. Get tickets for S. America........

http://www.wunderground.com/global/SA_ST_Inde...
LessHypeMoreFact

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B as in B S as in S wrote:
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Welcome to weather. It will be warmer, colder, wetter or drier depending on the area. And then there is the distribution of extremes. Some years will be unusually cool. Others will be unusually warm, etc.
They call it 'semi-chaotic' which basically means that it is capable of only short term forecasting. At least weather. Climate is related but more 'metadata' about weather so it INCLUDES the extremes of weather and to some degree the variabliltiy. But because it is about the 'overall probabilities' it has a larger set of data points (30 years of 'weather' and thus has more predictability.
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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It is good to know the difference.
It's sad to note that you don't.
B as in B S as in S

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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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They call it 'semi-chaotic' which basically means that it is capable of only short term forecasting. At least weather. Climate is related but more 'metadata' about weather so it INCLUDES the extremes of weather and to some degree the variabliltiy. But because it is about the 'overall probabilities' it has a larger set of data points (30 years of 'weather' and thus has more predictability.
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It's sad to note that you don't.
Hej LessHypeMoreFact,

So, you are asserting that climate "has more predictability" than weather?

OK. Let's see.

Weather Prediction:
[The forecast for the Twin Cities is snow and sub freezing lows for the next two nights.]

Climate Prediction:
[Somewhere it will be "warmer, colder, wetter or drier depending on the area. And then there is the distribution of extremes. Some years will be unusually cool. Others will be unusually warm, etc."]

Yup. There is clearly more predictions in Climate forecasts than there is in weather forecasts.
Also, it is clear that there is a very high probability that the climate will behave in the way it has been forecasted.

Your facts are once again spot on and in full support CAGW.

-koolaid
LessHypeMoreFact

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B as in B S as in S wrote:
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Hej LessHypeMoreFact,
So, you are asserting that climate "has more predictability" than weather?
Yes. Just as the average heads vs tails in a coin toss will tend towards 50/50 very reliably compared to a single toss.
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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OK. Let's see.
Weather Prediction:
[The forecast for the Twin Cities is snow and sub freezing lows for the next two nights.]
And that forecast may be 'robust' or not. The weather models (ensemble forecasting) may show that there can be a very large change in proximate cause and the weather report will still be accurate. Or it can show that a VERY small change in inputs can lead to vast differences in outcome. You must be careful about this. They usually signal the latter with 'unsettled' as an adjective.
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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Climate Prediction:
[Somewhere it will be "warmer, colder, wetter or drier depending on the area. And then there is the distribution of extremes. Some years will be unusually cool. Others will be unusually warm, etc."]
Yup. There is clearly more predictions in Climate forecasts than there is in weather forecasts.
That is obviously (to anyone with a clue) not a 'forecast' but a rebuttal to the stupid 'uniform change' claims of the denailists. To get a climate FORECAST for a specific area, you would need to specify which micriclimate and analyze that.
B as in B S as in S wrote:
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Also, it is clear that there is a very high probability that the climate will behave in the way it has been forecasted.
Your facts are once again spot on and in full support CAGW.
-koolaid
Obviously you have spiked the kkkoooolaid. Do you have a brain or did you just shut it down for lent?
litesong

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B as in B S as in S wrote:
The forecast for the Twin Cities is snow and sub freezing lows for the next two nights.
The NP has been in darkness for 3+weeks, with the "top of the world" almost totally in darkness above the 80th parallel. About twenty three hundred miles away from Twin Cities, in Alert, Ellesmere Island, its been -28degC(-18degF). I'm NOT sorry that the Arctic chill is getting to you.
B as in B S as in S

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I agree with you on each of your points:

It will be...
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Welcome to climate change. It will be warmer, colder, wetter or drier depending on the area. And then there is the distribution of extremes. Some years will be unusually cool. Others will be unusually warm, etc.
Yes. The climate will change exactly as you have said. Yes. The experts have been making these same non-specific claims for years. And yes...

"That is obviously (to anyone with a clue) not a 'forecast' but a rebuttal to the stupid 'uniform change' claims of the denailists. To get a climate FORECAST for a specific area, you would need to specify which micriclimate and analyze that."
PAUL SHYKORA arts

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..oaky...Okay..sooo is it Cold or HOT,here..???...eh
SpaceBlues

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PAUL SHYKORA arts wrote:
..oaky...Okay..sooo is it Cold or HOT,here..???...eh
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