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What is the most STUPID post made by an AGW'er.....I nominate LessHypeMoreFact

Created by Gord on Sep 5, 2009

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Gord

#1 Sep 5, 2009
Here is a link to my response to LessHypeMoreFact's statement:

"How much heat you are transferring at one time has NO relationship to the temperature of any objects."

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

Is this THE BEST or what?

I'm sure there are plenty of others out there too....lets see the posts!
Earthling

Almerķa, Spain

#2 Sep 5, 2009
Maybe he was tired when he wrote that.

A good second, would be:
MattJ wrote:
It is unscientific in the extreme to make predictions
But only because he didn't realise what he was posting at the time.

LessFactMoreHype has to be congratulated for at least one other howler, where he claimed that, "CO2 is not vital for life."

FG has a few to his credit, but I can't be bothered to look them up right now, I'm sure he'll be thankful for that.

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frank miller

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#3 Sep 5, 2009
Answer to 'Gord Calgary, Canada #1: Wrong! Heat transfer has everything to do with temperature
differences: 1} 2nd. Law of Thermodynamics: Heat can only flow in one direction..from hot to cold!

2} H = k A{t2 - t1}/L X T{heat flow in a bar of
metal, or any heat conductive material}!!

3} Provost's Law of Heat Exchange. The greater
the absolute temperature of A BODY, THE GREATER IS THE RATE AT WHICH IT RADIATES, AND ICE AT 0C IS 273 degrees Kelvin above of absolute zero.!

4} Newton's Law of Cooling: H = c{t2 - t1}!!
[pages 282- 287 Modern College Physics Harvey E.
White co. 1948/1949 D.Van Nostrand Company, Inc.
Toronto New York London]
F.M.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#4 Sep 5, 2009
Lets not forget coolmind. I have yet to mee an AGW supporter who was more clueless.

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Earthling

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#5 Sep 6, 2009
tina anne wrote:
Lets not forget coolmind. I have yet to mee an AGW supporter who was more clueless.
Coolie still posts occasionally, but she appears to have stopped using her catchphrase, "We're screwed."
Maybe she got lucky.

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“Denying those who deny nature”

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#6 Sep 6, 2009
Earthling wrote:
<quoted text>Coolie still posts occasionally, but she appears to have stopped using her catchphrase, "We're screwed."
Maybe she got lucky.
Maybe she finally was "screwed" and is now feeling better.

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Earthling

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#7 Sep 6, 2009
Maniacal posts like this and so many of his that are similar, take a lot of beating for stupidity, so I'd like to add it to the list for consideration:
litesong wrote:
Since you are racist (your well earned names of eart hling (an alien) & 'injun killer' proving such), black-chimp comparisons are acceptable to you.
Americans (transplanted euros) have a long despicable history of finding humor (denigration) against blacks & Native Tribes, who they suppressed & killed with glee. Euros have an even longer history of ethnic killing.
Your facility to turn away objections to your racist activities is smooth, but transparently shows that you are well practiced at defending your savagery & arrogance. You have defended your racism in the past by attacking your accusers.
You even trot out a given website to defend your racist activiities. Stuff your euro & te humor. Such racist denigrations only show the desperately broken nature you have, which seems to come from your history as a euro.
Where does this guy come from, outer space?

*Note to all:
I've never knowingly killed an, "injun" or anything bigger than a rabbit, which was completely accidental.

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Gord

#8 Sep 7, 2009
frank miller wrote:
Answer to 'Gord Calgary, Canada #1: Wrong! Heat transfer has everything to do with temperature
differences: 1} 2nd. Law of Thermodynamics: Heat can only flow in one direction..from hot to cold!
2} H = k A{t2 - t1}/L X T{heat flow in a bar of
metal, or any heat conductive material}!!
3} Provost's Law of Heat Exchange. The greater
the absolute temperature of A BODY, THE GREATER IS THE RATE AT WHICH IT RADIATES, AND ICE AT 0C IS 273 degrees Kelvin above of absolute zero.!
4} Newton's Law of Cooling: H = c{t2 - t1}!!
[pages 282- 287 Modern College Physics Harvey E.
White co. 1948/1949 D.Van Nostrand Company, Inc.
Toronto New York London]
F.M.
First, I can't find any "Provost's Law of Heat Exchange".
Can you provide a link?
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Heat Conduction
"If one end of a metal rod is at a higher temperature, then energy will be transferred down the rod toward the colder end because the higher speed particles will collide with the slower ones with a net transfer of energy to the slower ones. For heat transfer between two plane surfaces, such as heat loss through the wall of a house, the rate of conduction heat transfer is:

Q/t = kA(T hot - T cold)/d

Q = heat transfered in time = t
K = thermal conductivity of the barrier
A = Area
T = temperature
d = thickness of barrier

There is NO heat flow from cold to hot!

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/th...
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Conduction (heat)
"In heat transfer, conduction (or heat conduction) is the transfer of thermal energy between neighboring molecules in a substance due to a temperature gradient. It always takes place
from a region of higher temperature to a region of lower temperature, and acts to equalize temperature differences."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_conduction
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Heat transfer
"Heat transfer is the transition of thermal energy from a hotter object to a cooler object"

Newton's law of cooling
dQ/dt = h*A (T env - To)

Q = Thermal energy in joules
h = Heat transfer coefficient
A = Surface area of the heat being transferred
T0 = Temperature of the object's surface
Tenv = Temperature of the environment

Again, there is NO heat flow from cold to hot!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton 's_law_of_cooling#Newton.27s_l aw_of_cooling
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Gord

#9 Sep 7, 2009
continuation...

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow
spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/th...

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With reference to Heat Transfer by Radiation using the Stefan-Boltzmann Law
"Radiation is heat transfer by the emission of electromagnetic waves which carry energy away from the emitting object."

P = e*BC*A(T^4 - Tc^4)

Where P = net radiated power (Watts), e = emissivity, BC = Stefan's constant, A = area, T = temperature of radiator and Tc =
temperature of the surroundings or another body.

..when rearranged gives

P/A = e*BC*T^4 - e*BC*Tc^4 (Watts/m^2)

This is an obvious subtraction of two Electromagnetic Fields

It also complies with the Vector subtraction of Electromagnetic Fields which are Vectors.

The resultant Electromagnetic Field will have a magnitude of P/A and have a direction of propagation in the direction of the larger field.

There is absolutely no energy flow from cold to hot, complying with the 2nd Law.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/th...
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Laws of thermodynamics
"The second law of thermodynamics, which states that the entropy of an isolated macroscopic system never decreases, or (equivalently) that perpetual motion machines are impossible."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermody...
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If heat flowed from cold to hot, it would violate the Law of Conservation of Energy and produce a perpetual motion machine.

Here is an example that I have posted before....heat flowing back to a hot filament light bulb:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

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Earthling

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#10 Sep 7, 2009
Gord wrote:
First, I can't find any "Provost's Law of Heat Exchange".
There's a simple reason for that, frank was referring to Pierre Prévost.
Here's one link, but there are many more:
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Pr%C3%A9vost,+...

NB: Haven't you gone off topic a touch?

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Gord

#11 Sep 7, 2009
Earthling wrote:
<quoted text>There's a simple reason for that, frank was referring to Pierre Prévost.
Here's one link, but there are many more:
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Pr%C3%A9vost,+...
NB: Haven't you gone off topic a touch?
Thanks for the correct spelling....Prevost.

The Flow of Heat
Overview
"In 1791, the Swiss physicist Pierre Prévost (1751-1839) published a theory of heat exchanges, which described how heat is transferred from one object to another."

http://www.bookrags.com/research/the-flow-of-...

No wonder I never heard of him.
His 1791 work pre-dates modern heat transfer Physics by Stefan-Boltzmann and Maxwell.

It is OBSOLETE.

No, I have not gone "off topic", I was merely responding to Frank Miller's post....just like your post.

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“Denying those who deny nature”

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#12 Sep 7, 2009
Here is a link to my favorite AGW alarmist when coolmind actually sounded half way intelligent.
Most of the time she sounds more like trutist.

http://www.topix.com/news/global-warming/2009...

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frank miller

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#13 Sep 7, 2009
What the hell is wrong with you UNEDUCATED #GORD
Calgary, Canada #8/9/10/11??? God you illiterates
have absolutely no Physics, no Chemistry, no Scientific Encyclopedias books at home/office,and you get on a Scientific thread by only referring
to Internet Sites! If I had the power to put you
people {guys/gals} from posting on Topix, without
first Editors checking whether you have at least
a BA, BSc Science degree, believe me this would be a better means of communication /educating intelligent but technically lay Topix readers!!
1} I clearly wrote for the 1000th. time: heat can only flow from HOT to COLD; idiot Gord! Look up the second law of Thermodynamics..arshole.not on the Internet but in a library!!! That means
from a higher temp. to a lower temp. until the 2 equilibrate!

2} t2 is temperature of hot end; t1 temp. of cold end.

4} t2 is the temperature of the hot cooling body; t1 is the temperature of surroundings; ie. beaker of hot water cooling.

3} Provost Law is common sense: a piece of ice
albeit at cold 0 dec.C still being 273K above absolute zero {no molecular vibration}; will emit LESS heat than boiling water at 100C, or 373K
whence molecules are vibrating even more! Emit less heat, or more heat means radiate!
F.M.

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frank miller

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#14 Sep 7, 2009
I have to include Gord from Calgary, Canada who
could be 'lesshypemorefact', as the most stupid set of 'replies'#8/9/11 on Topix yet especially
after providing him/her with the Physics text book reference,'Earthling'!!
F.M.

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Gord

#15 Sep 7, 2009
frank miller wrote:
What the hell is wrong with you UNEDUCATED #GORD
Calgary, Canada #8/9/10/11??? God you illiterates
have absolutely no Physics, no Chemistry, no Scientific Encyclopedias books at home/office,and you get on a Scientific thread by only referring
to Internet Sites! If I had the power to put you
people {guys/gals} from posting on Topix, without
first Editors checking whether you have at least
a BA, BSc Science degree, believe me this would be a better means of communication /educating intelligent but technically lay Topix readers!!
1} I clearly wrote for the 1000th. time: heat can only flow from HOT to COLD; idiot Gord! Look up the second law of Thermodynamics..arshole.not on the Internet but in a library!!! That means
from a higher temp. to a lower temp. until the 2 equilibrate!
2} t2 is temperature of hot end; t1 temp. of cold end.
4} t2 is the temperature of the hot cooling body; t1 is the temperature of surroundings; ie. beaker of hot water cooling.
3} Provost Law is common sense: a piece of ice
albeit at cold 0 dec.C still being 273K above absolute zero {no molecular vibration}; will emit LESS heat than boiling water at 100C, or 373K
whence molecules are vibrating even more! Emit less heat, or more heat means radiate!
F.M.
Gee Frank, what is YOUR problem?

If you agree that heat can ONLY flow from hot to cold, then we both agree.

MY POST MADE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR!

Perhaps YOU should have made YOUR position clear in YOUR post #3?

By the way, there is no Provost's Law of Heat Exchange.

He had an OBSOLETE THEORY....NOT A LAW!

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Earthling

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#16 Sep 7, 2009
frank miller wrote:
I have to include Gord from Calgary, Canada who
could be 'lesshypemorefact', as the most stupid set of 'replies'#8/9/11 on Topix yet especially
after providing him/her with the Physics text book reference,'Earthling'!!
F.M.
Dear frank miller,
I do believe you have the bull by the tail, instead of the horns and suggest you attempt to read posts before responding to them.

If your idea is to submit comments to any climate summit in the future, please have your offerings reviewed by someone who is able to edit them, so that they make sense when read.

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Gord

#17 Sep 7, 2009
frank miller wrote:
I have to include Gord from Calgary, Canada who
could be 'lesshypemorefact', as the most stupid set of 'replies'#8/9/11 on Topix yet especially
after providing him/her with the Physics text book reference,'Earthling'!!
F.M.

What the hell does "..the most stupid set of 'replies'#8/9/11 on Topix yet especially
after providing him/her with the Physics text book reference,'Earthling'!!" mean?

Are you DRUNK?

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frank miller

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#18 Sep 7, 2009
It seems like some misunderstanding in my response
to your #1 post, whereas in my #3 reply I meant
that 'lesshypemorefact' was "wrong" in stating:
"How much heat you are transferring at one time has NO relationship to the temperature of any objects." [I have had so many contradictions from
that jerk, since February 2009, and 'MattJ' on several "CO2AGW" threads, about heat transfer
principles, laws,..whence I've quoted so many
times my sources from numerous Physics/Chemistry
Academic University Text Books, in my possession
along with about 4 Scientific Encyclopedias,
and Physical Chemistry texts { some don't cover
by the way everything, the Provost Law was in the
Harvey White Text, page 287, under:'Provost's
law of exchanges...'} the first text I grabbed
to my #3 reply!
When you began to paraphrase all my '4' points
rather than simply assume I meant 'lhmf' as being wrong, not you, and ended each with 'Again there is no heat flow from cold to hot!' I thought you interpreted t2 to be the colder temp., and t1 the
warmer one; and therefore "Gord" was a pseudo for
'lhmf' as you are both from Canada!
I apologize for not making my #3 more clear that
it was 'lhmf' who was wrong not you Gord!! Peace!
F.M.

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“Denying those who deny nature”

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#19 Sep 8, 2009
Bow boys, while we all have some issues there are others who could not believe that AGW was false even if they got the facts straight from the mouth of god.

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Earthling

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#20 Sep 8, 2009
tina anne wrote:
Bow boys, while we all have some issues there are others who could not believe that AGW was false even if they got the facts straight from the mouth of god.
LOL, it would probably depend on which god spilled the beans and whether or not he/she was even recognised.

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