National Geographic encourages culturally induced ignorance

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#1 Sep 20, 2013
"So what were they thinking when they chose to feature a nearly submerged Statue of Liberty on the cover of the September issue? Obviously, by using scare tactics and fear mongering... "

The facts are that every time the CO2 levels got this high, the oceans rose by about 12 to 25 feet. That is FACT. The cover just ILLUSTRATES the eventual results of 400 ppm (about equivalent to the PETM or Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum).

Not fear mongering at all. Just an intelligent discussion on the results of AGW in the future and they do note that it is not an 'overnight' thing.

Do not read the Free Republic. It may induce brain damage (or maybe only the brain damaged find it useful)
litesong

Monroe, WA

#2 Sep 20, 2013
toxic AGW deniers attack messengers, because they have no science or mathematics to disprove or even question accumulating infra-red energy absorbing non-phase change GHGs, which also control infra-red energy absorbing phase change GHGs, are increasing Earth heating at rates unable to be controlled easily.

Presently, because of delays caused by toxic AGW deniers, primary & secondary AGW feedbacks are occurring that make it even less sure that AGW enhanced GHG warming can be controlled.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#3 Sep 21, 2013
Note: "almost submerged' is hyperbole. Mid crotch at best. As is the picture of the statue submerged to that depth. Must have been a 'stock photo' from some other article.

http://www.nps.gov/stli/historyculture/statue...

Ground to pedestal 154'0"
Ground to tip of torch 305'1"

So Statue is maybe submerged to 225 feet or so? That would be accurate if the ENTIRE worlds ice sheets ALL vanished.

Yup. A stock photo from an article on 'what if all the ice sheets melted' or an illustration of the level in the past (probably in the PETM).

The EAIS holds most of that water, and at an average temperature of -37C, is not in danger of melting with AGW.

So, I uphold the criticism somewhat on that one point, not on the general tone of the article or it's premise. Poor research for the NG. A better picture would have been of New York after two meters of sea rise.

THAT would have been much more accurate and much more frightening.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#4 Sep 21, 2013
NoFactNoHope wrote:
A better picture would have been of New York after two meters[US] of sea rise.
Two metres of sea level rise wouldn't be visibly noticeable.
New York streets are a bit more than two metres AMSL, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#5 Sep 21, 2013
New York is mostly between ONE meter above MSL and three meters above MSL.

tinyurl.com/qjakwuf

So even the (semi-empirical) forecast of two meters rise will put New York out of business. They have very little PROTECTION against even minor floods with the underground electrical vaults, subway and even underground emergency generators.

" But, she admits, whatever she finds will not be a worst-case scenario because greenhouse-gas concentrations are already climbing beyond where they were in the Pliocene.“The real worst-case scenario is we don't limit fossil-fuel combustion,” she says.“Then it's 'Hello Eocene'”— returning to a world akin to a warm period 55 million years ago, with maybe just a trace of ice at the poles."

"Nearly 70 meters of sea-level rise would drown all of Florida and much of Brazil, and **swamp the Statue of Liberty up to her waist**. But that might not happen until so many thousands of years from now that humanity has time to adapt — even if that means surrendering much of the land to the waves."

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#7 Sep 22, 2013
NoFactNoHope wrote:
New York is mostly between ONE meter above MSL and three meters above MSL.
One or three, it doesn't matter, NY will be fine for the next century, during which time the powers that be can decide how to protect it or where to relocate it.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#8 Sep 22, 2013
LessFactNoHope wrote:
So even the (semi-empirical) forecast of two meters[US] rise will put New York out of business.
Define "semi-empirical forecast" in the context of sea level rise, please?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#9 Sep 22, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Define "semi-empirical forecast" in the context of sea level rise, please?
Do I have to tell you what empirical means? Sheesh. The past is the guide to what to expect from sea level rise vs temperature. But the 'semi-empirical' estimates using corrections from past evidence were twice the sea level rise from individual assessments. However, the latest 2013 IPCC report can now model the current sea level rise, and confirms that it is accelerating, so the discrepancy is now resolved.

You might just read the reference (or have nursey read it to you).

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#10 Sep 22, 2013
Saturday, September 21, 2013
New paper finds sea levels rising at less than 4 inches per century, with no acceleration

A new paper finds global mean sea levels rose at only 1 mm/year, equivalent to less than 4 inches per century, over the 203 year period from 1807-2010. The finding is remarkably similar to the sea level rise of 1.1-1.3 mm/yr found by the NOAA 2005-2012 Sea Level Budget, the only sea level budget which reconciles both satellite [altimeters & GRACE] & ARGO float data. The authors also find no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise, which indicates that there is no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels. In addition, the authors find that sea level rise is a localized rather than global phenomenon, with 61% of tide gauge records demonstrating no change in sea levels, 4% showing a decrease, and a minority of 35% showing a rise. This implies relative sea level change is primarily related to subsidence or post-glacial rebound [land height changes] rather than melting ice or steric sea level changes [thermal expansion from warming].
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
=
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#11 Sep 22, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
=
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
Cut'n paste spam from a denier blog.

And the paper is written by an economist.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#13 Sep 22, 2013
"No evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
Working Group I: The Scientific Basis

No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected.
There is decadal variability in extreme sea levels but no evidence of widespread increases in extremes other than that associated with a change in the mean.
Global average sea level rose at an average rate of 1.8 [1.3 to 2.3] mm per year over 1961 to 2003. The rate was faster over 1993 to 2003: about 3.1 [2.4 to 3.8] mm per year. Whether the faster rate for 1993 to 2003 reflects decadal variability or an increase in the longer-term trend is unclear. There is high confidence that the rate of observed sea level rise increased from th3 19th to the 20th century, the total 20th-century rise is estimated to be 0.17 [0.12 to 0.22] m.
"Since 2003—the last data assessed by the IPCC—the rate of sea level rise has slowed"

I wonder why catastrophists are upset instead of pleased with the good news.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#14 Sep 22, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
"No evidence of acceleration of sea level rise" <quoted text>
<quoted text>"Since 2003—the last data assessed by the IPCC—the rate of sea level rise has slowed"
I wonder why catastrophists are upset instead of pleased with the good news.
Cut'n paste spam from a denier blog. It ignores the most recent data- rate of sea level rise hasn't slowed.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HycUxn3fW2Q/UaVrhDz...

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/05/anthony-wa...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#16 Sep 22, 2013
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
=
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#17 Sep 23, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
=
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
A stupid lie of course.

The link between rising sea level and increased temperatures due to AGW is well established.

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/cri...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#18 Sep 23, 2013
I am the bearer of bad tidings for climate catastrophists, because much as they wish there was, "there is no evidence of any acceleration in sea level rise."

Saturday, September 21, 2013
New paper finds sea levels rising at less than 4 inches per century, with no acceleration
-
The finding is remarkably similar to the sea level rise of 1.1-1.3 mm/yr found by the NOAA 2005-2012 Sea Level Budget, the only sea level budget which reconciles both satellite [altimeters & GRACE] & ARGO float data.
NOAA 2012 report finds sea levels rising at less than half the rate claimed by the IPCC

According to the latest NOAA sea level budget, global sea levels rose at only 1.1 - 1.3 mm/year from 2005-2012, which is less than half of the rate claimed by the IPCC [3.1 mm/yr] and is equivalent to less than 5 inches per century. Contrary to alarmist claims, sea level rise decelerated over the 20th century, has also decelerated since 2005, and there is no evidence of any human influence on sea levels.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#19 Sep 23, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
I am the bearer of bad tidings for climate catastrophists, because much as they wish there was, "there is no evidence of any acceleration in sea level rise."
Saturday, September 21, 2013
New paper finds sea levels rising at less than 4 inches per century, with no acceleration
-
The finding is remarkably similar to the sea level rise of 1.1-1.3 mm/yr found by the NOAA 2005-2012 Sea Level Budget, the only sea level budget which reconciles both satellite [altimeters & GRACE] & ARGO float data.
NOAA 2012 report finds sea levels rising at less than half the rate claimed by the IPCC
According to the latest NOAA sea level budget, global sea levels rose at only 1.1 - 1.3 mm/year from 2005-2012, which is less than half of the rate claimed by the IPCC [3.1 mm/yr] and is equivalent to less than 5 inches per century. Contrary to alarmist claims, sea level rise decelerated over the 20th century, has also decelerated since 2005, and there is no evidence of any human influence on sea levels.
The same cut'n paste spam from a denier blog as before.
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
What we have here is not a peer reviewed scientific paper. It's not even a scientific paper. It's a document got up to look like a scientific paper, a fraud, touted by denier blogs and spammed by relentless liars like earthling.
You bear only repeated lies.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#20 Sep 23, 2013
Global average sea level rose at an average rate of 1.8 [1.3 to 2.3] mm per year over 1961 to 2003. The rate was faster over 1993 to 2003: about 3.1 [2.4 to 3.8] mm per year. Whether the faster rate for 1993 to 2003 reflects decadal variability or an increase in the longer-term trend is unclear. There is high confidence that the rate of observed sea level rise increased from th3 19th to the 20th century, the total 20th-century rise is estimated to be 0.17 [0.12 to 0.22] m.

Since 2003—the last data assessed by the IPCC—the rate of sea level rise has slowed (Figure 1).
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/wp-images/s...
Figure 1. Decadal (overlapping) rates for sea level rise as determined from the satellite sea level rise observations, 1993-2011 (data available from
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#21 Sep 23, 2013
Article Citation:
P. J. Watson (2011) Is There Evidence Yet of Acceleration in Mean Sea Level Rise around Mainland Australia?. Journal of Coastal Research: Volume 27, Issue 2: pp. 368 – 377.
doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-10-0014...

RESEARCH PAPERS
Is There Evidence Yet of Acceleration in Mean Sea Level Rise around Mainland Australia?
P. J. Watson

Principal Coastal Specialist, NSW Department of Environment, Climate Change and Water, PO Box 2185, Dangar, NSW, Australia 2309 phil.watson@environment.nsw.go v.au

Abstract

As an island nation with some 85% of the population residing within 50 km of the coast, Australia faces significant threats into the future from sea level rise. Further, with over 710,000 addresses within 3 km of the coast and below 6-m elevation, the implication of a projected global rise in mean sea level of up to 100 cm over the 21st century will have profound economic, social, environmental, and planning consequences. In this context, it is becoming increasingly important to monitor trends emerging from local (regional) records to augment global average measurements and future projections. The Australasian region has four very long, continuous tide gauge records, at Fremantle (1897), Auckland (1903), Fort Denison (1914), and Newcastle (1925), which are invaluable for considering whether there is evidence that the rise in mean sea level is accelerating over the longer term at these locations in line with various global average sea level time-series reconstructions. These long records have been converted to relative 20-year moving average water level time series and fitted to second-order polynomial functions to consider trends of acceleration in mean sea level over time. The analysis reveals a consistent trend of weak deceleration at each of these gauge sites throughout Australasia over the period from 1940 to 2000. Short period trends of acceleration in mean sea level after 1990 are evident at each site, although these are not abnormal or higher than other short-term rates measured throughout the historical record.
http://www.jcronline.org/doi/full/10.2112/JCO...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#22 Sep 23, 2013
Earthling-1 wrote:
Global average sea level rose at an average rate of 1.8 [1.3 to 2.3] mm per year over 1961 to 2003. The rate was faster over 1993 to 2003: about 3.1 [2.4 to 3.8] mm per year. Whether the faster rate for 1993 to 2003 reflects decadal variability or an increase in the longer-term trend is unclear. There is high confidence that the rate of observed sea level rise increased from th3 19th to the 20th century, the total 20th-century rise is estimated to be 0.17 [0.12 to 0.22] m.
Since 2003—the last data assessed by the IPCC—the rate of sea level rise has slowed (Figure 1).
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/wp-images/s...
Figure 1. Decadal (overlapping) rates for sea level rise as determined from the satellite sea level rise observations, 1993-2011 (data available from
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
Have you gone senile?
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Cut'n paste spam from a denier blog. It ignores the most recent data- rate of sea level rise hasn't slowed.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HycUxn3fW2Q/UaVrhDz...
http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/05/anthony-wa...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#25 Sep 23, 2013
For those who find it too hard to understand:

"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
"no evidence of acceleration of sea level rise"
=
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."
"no evidence of a human influence upon sea levels."

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