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Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 42241 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#45548 Sep 11, 2018
Into The Night wrote:
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Inversion fallacy, argument of the Stone fallacy.
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True Scotsman fallacy, argument of the Stone fallacy.

Science and mathematics aren't conspiracies, dude.

You still deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and statistical mathematics.
NASA, NOAA and 50,000 Physicists of The American Physical Society have presented the facts about Climate change and the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

"Weather and climate are driven by the absorption of solar radiation and the subsequent re-distribution of that energy through radiative, advective, and hydrological processes....greenhouse gases, primarily water vapor and carbon dioxide, trap thermal radiation from the Earth's surface and this effect keeps the surface warmer than it would be otherwise. Human activities are causing an enhancement of the natural greenhouse effect by substantially increasing the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases." -- American Physical Society

All you've got is your personal nonsense which you can only support by inventing conspiracy theories.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#45550 Sep 11, 2018
Big Al wrote:
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NASA, NOAA and 50,000 Physicists of The American Physical Society have presented the facts about Climate change and the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

"Weather and climate are driven by the absorption of solar radiation and the subsequent re-distribution of that energy through radiative, advective, and hydrological processes....greenhouse gases, primarily water vapor and carbon dioxide, trap thermal radiation from the Earth's surface and this effect keeps the surface warmer than it would be otherwise. Human activities are causing an enhancement of the natural greenhouse effect by substantially increasing the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases." -- American Physical Society

All you've got is your personal nonsense which you can only support by inventing conspiracy theories.
All you have Big Al is government funded $$$$$$$manipulated science which we all know (for a fact) because the 1st and 2nd laws of Thermodynamics and the Stefan Boltzmann Law BOTH deny overheating of the planet by Global Warming which is nothing but a disproven theory that is being politically initiated and promoted

The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Gas Theory Falsified by the Laws of Thermodynamics

The atmospheric greenhouse effect, an idea the authors trace back to the traditional works of Fourier 1824, Tyndall 1861 and Arrhenius 1896, but which is still supported in global climatology, essentially describes a fictitious mechanism by which a planetary atmosphere acts as a heat pump driven by an environment that is radioactively interacting with but radioactively equilibriated to the atmospheric system.

According to the second law of thermodynamics such a planetary machine can never exist. Nevertheless, in almost all texts of global climatology and in widespread secondary literature it is taken for granted that such a mechanism is real and stands on a firm scientific foundation.

In this paper the popular conjecture is analyzed and the underlying physical principles clarified. By showing that:

(a) there are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects,

(b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface temperature of a planet,

(c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C is a meaningless number calculated wrongly,

(d) the formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately,

(e) the assumption of a radioactive balance is un-physical,(f) thermal conductivity and friction must not be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture is falsified.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#45551 Sep 11, 2018
hojo wrote:
All you have Big Al is government funded $$$$$$$manipulated science which we all know (for a fact) because the 1st and 2nd laws of Thermodynamics and the Stefan Boltzmann Law BOTH deny overheating of the planet by Global Warming which is nothing but a disproven theory that is being politically initiated and promoted
No evidence - just an impossible conspiracy theory.
hojo wrote:
The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Gas Theory Falsified by the Laws of Thermodynamics
50,000 educated, professional physicists of the American Physical Society (a professional organization not a government agency) disagree with you.
hojo wrote:
The atmospheric greenhouse effect, an idea the authors trace back to the traditional works of Fourier 1824, Tyndall 1861 and Arrhenius 1896, but which is still supported in global climatology, essentially describes a fictitious mechanism by which a planetary atmosphere acts as a heat pump driven by an environment that is radioactively interacting with but radioactively equilibriated to the atmospheric system.
The increase in atmospheric CO2 which exactly coincides with the increase in average global surface temperature proves the work of Fourier and Arrhenius correct.
hojo wrote:
According to the second law of thermodynamics such a planetary machine can never exist. Nevertheless, in almost all texts of global climatology and in widespread secondary literature it is taken for granted that such a mechanism is real and stands on a firm scientific foundation.

In this paper the popular conjecture is analyzed and the underlying physical principles clarified. By showing that:

(a) there are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects,

(b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface temperature of a planet,

(c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C is a meaningless number calculated wrongly,

(d) the formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately,

(e) the assumption of a radioactive balance is un-physical,(f) thermal conductivity and friction must not be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture is falsified.
"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes....We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." - American Physical Society

"NASA's analyses incorporate surface temperature measurements from 6,300 weather stations, ship- and buoy-based observations of sea surface temperatures, and temperature measurements from Antarctic research stations. These raw measurements are analyzed using an algorithm [computer program] that considers the varied spacing of temperature stations around the globe and urban heating effects that could skew the conclusions." NASA

Since: Aug 15

Seattle, WA

#45552 Sep 11, 2018
Big Al wrote:
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Complaining won't affect the weather but reducing CO2 emissions will effect the climate.
Nope. CO2 has no capability to warm the Earth. You are still denying the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

Since: Aug 15

Seattle, WA

#45553 Sep 11, 2018
Big Al wrote:
NASA, NOAA ...deleted argument from randU and bigotry... have presented the facts about Climate change
There are no facts about 'climate change'. You can't even DEFINE 'climate change'!
Big Al wrote:
and the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
NASA, NOAA, and the APS are denying all three of these laws.
Big APS wrote:
"Weather and climate are driven by the absorption of solar radiation and the subsequent re-distribution of that energy through radiative, advective, and hydrological processes....greenhouse gases,
There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse' gas.
Big APS wrote:
primarily water vapor and carbon dioxide,
Neither gas is capable of warming the Earth. No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth.
Big APS wrote:
trap thermal radiation from the Earth's surface and this effect keeps the surface warmer than it would be otherwise.
It is not possible to trap heat. They (and you) are denying the Stefan-Boltzmann law and the 2nd law of thermodynamics again.

You can't reduce radiance and increase the temperature at the same time.
You can't trap heat.
Big APS wrote:
Human activities are causing an enhancement of the natural greenhouse effect by substantially increasing the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases." -- American Physical Society
Argument from randU. It is not possible to measure the different sources of water vapor or CO2 in the atmosphere.
Big Al wrote:
All you've got is your personal nonsense which you can only support by inventing conspiracy theories.
No, all YOU'VE got is the Church of Global Warming, which NASA and NOAA and APS are part of.

You can't just ignore these theories of science. Neither can they.
You can't just ignore the math. Neither can they.

Since: Aug 15

Seattle, WA

#45554 Sep 11, 2018
Big Al wrote:
No evidence - just an impossible conspiracy theory.
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50,000 educated, professional physicists of the American Physical Society (a professional organization not a government agency) disagree with you.
[QUOTE who="Big Al"]
The increase in atmospheric CO2 which exactly coincides with the increase in average global surface temperature
[QUOTE who="Big Al"]
proves the work of Fourier and Arrhenius correct.
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...deleted Church of Global Warming scripture from the APS...
[QUOTE who="NASA"]
"NASA's analyses incorporate surface temperature measurements from 6,300 weather stations, ship- and buoy-based observations of sea surface temperatures, and temperature measurements from Antarctic research stations. These raw measurements are analyzed using an algorithm [computer program] that considers the varied spacing of temperature stations around the globe and urban heating effects that could skew the conclusions." NASA
Cooking data makes it useless. NASA is making a math error. They are failing to select by randN.

6300 spread uniformly over Earth's surface is 1 thermometer for every 125396 square miles.

You're guessing. So is NASA.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#45555 Sep 11, 2018
Big Al wrote:
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NASA, NOAA and 50,000 Physicists of The American Physical Society have presented the facts about Climate change and the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

"Weather and climate are driven by the absorption of solar radiation and the subsequent re-distribution of that energy through radiative, advective, and hydrological processes....greenhouse gases, primarily water vapor and carbon dioxide, trap thermal radiation from the Earth's surface and this effect keeps the surface warmer than it would be otherwise. Human activities are causing an enhancement of the natural greenhouse effect by substantially increasing the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases." -- American Physical Society

All you've got is your personal nonsense which you can only support by inventing conspiracy theories.
There is "no scientific proof with regard to ANY of this CO2 overheating of the planet nonsense! It is all "politically motivated and Democratically One World Government initiated by a few selected (heavily funded) scientists from NASA, NOAA and all 34 National Academy of Sciences, directed by Government Liberals, to arrive at the needed conclusions in order to prove that global warming exists! The 21st century Pseudoscience Global Warming hoax is just another Government perpetrated scam from the 20th century Global Cooling Government fraud in which (again) NASA, the NOAA, the 34 National Academy of Sciences and Paul; Ehrlick attempted to scam the American people with the Global Cooling catastrophy that turned out to be "fake science"!!
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#45557 Sep 11, 2018
Into The Night wrote:
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Nope. CO2 has no capability to warm the Earth. You are still denying the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.
I keep telling you that nobody claims that CO2 warms the Earth. You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that CO2 acts like a sleeping bag and insulates the Earth.

I don't deny the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law I deny your understanding of those laws and accept the understanding of educated professional physicists. You have appointed yourself an expert on physics and I don't pay much attention to self-appointed experts.

Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#45558 Sep 11, 2018
Big Al wrote:
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Complaining won't affect the weather but reducing CO2 emissions will effect the climate.
How is going online reducing CO2? Computers are made from plastic, plastic is from oil, actually you are causing more CO2.

Since: Aug 15

Bellevue, WA

#45559 Sep 11, 2018
Big Al wrote:
I keep telling you that nobody claims that CO2 warms the Earth.
You do.
Big Al wrote:
You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that CO2 acts like a sleeping bag and insulates the Earth.
No, it doesn't you are denying the Stefan-Boltzmann law and the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics again.
Big Al wrote:
I don't deny the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law
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Yes you do.

“Positively Riveting”

Since: Jan 08

We can do it better

#45563 Sep 12, 2018
Into The Night wrote:
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Well done!
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#45564 Sep 12, 2018
Into The Night wrote:
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You do.
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No, it doesn't you are denying the Stefan-Boltzmann law and the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics again.
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Yes you do.
Physicists know that CO2 doesn't produce the thermal energy that warms the Earth it only prevents thermal energy from escaping into space, but apparently you don't. That's why the American Physical Society which represents 50,000 physicists says:...

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring."
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#45565 Sep 12, 2018
Big Al wrote:
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I keep telling you that nobody claims that CO2 warms the Earth. You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that CO2 acts like a sleeping bag and insulates the Earth.

I don't deny the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law I deny your understanding of those laws and accept the understanding of educated professional physicists. You have appointed yourself an expert on physics and I don't pay much attention to self-appointed experts.
ITN..."is" an expert when it comes to discerning and recognizing TRUTH, with regard to the Laws of Thermodynamics and the Stefan- Boltzmann Law by his relying upon the TRUTH of TRUE valid and authenticated Science..........that is in direct opposition to your government initiated Church of Global warming.... Pseudoscience!

Both you and Bozo both represent the "undermining" threat of the American Republic that was formed over 240 years ago!

Since: Aug 15

Seattle, WA

#45566 Sep 12, 2018
Big Al wrote:
Physicists know that CO2 doesn't produce the thermal energy that warms the Earth it only prevents thermal energy from escaping into space, but apparently you don't.
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Thermal energy on Earth doesn't get to space. There is no significant mass in space. Earth loses energy by conversion to electromagnetic energy.

You can't reduce radiance and increase the temperature at the same time. You are STILL denying the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

You can't slow or trap heat, or make it flow backwards. You are STILL denying the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
FadesToBlack

United States

#45567 Sep 12, 2018
Into The Night wrote:
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Thermal energy on Earth doesn't get to space. There is no significant mass in space. Earth loses energy by conversion to electromagnetic energy.

You can't reduce radiance and increase the temperature at the same time. You are STILL denying the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

You can't slow or trap heat, or make it flow backwards. You are STILL denying the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
The only part of the atmosphere that matters as far as global warming is concerned is the lower part directly associated with weather. Your assumption that thermal energy must be radiated into space or there is no net change, is an oversimplification of the system.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#45568 Sep 12, 2018
hojo wrote:
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ITN..."is" an expert when it comes to discerning and recognizing TRUTH, with regard to the Laws of Thermodynamics and the Stefan- Boltzmann Law by his relying upon the TRUTH of TRUE valid and authenticated Science..........that is in direct opposition to your government initiated Church of Global warming.... Pseudoscience!

Both you and Bozo both represent the "undermining" threat of the American Republic that was formed over 240 years ago!
ITN couldn't get a job teaching a grade school science class. He doesn't understand how a greenhouse works and doesn't think a sleeping bag can keep you warm when sleeping outside in the open air.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#45569 Sep 12, 2018
Into The Night wrote:
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Thermal energy on Earth doesn't get to space. There is no significant mass in space. Earth loses energy by conversion to electromagnetic energy.

You can't reduce radiance and increase the temperature at the same time. You are STILL denying the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

You can't slow or trap heat, or make it flow backwards. You are STILL denying the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
How do you think thermal energy get from the sun to the Earth - magic?
Fart on Bozo

Carson, CA

#45572 Sep 12, 2018
I hope Jerry Brown freezes, in the dark.

“Positively Riveting”

Since: Jan 08

We can do it better

#45573 Sep 12, 2018
hojo wrote:
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ITN..."is" an expert when it comes to discerning and recognizing TRUTH, with regard to the Laws of Thermodynamics and the Stefan- Boltzmann Law by his relying upon the TRUTH of TRUE valid and authenticated Science..........that is in direct opposition to your government initiated Church of Global warming.... Pseudoscience!

Both you and Bozo both represent the "undermining" threat of the American Republic that was formed over 240 years ago!
The firm fully agree.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#45574 Sep 12, 2018
Just checking in since it's hurricane season.....and it appears we have a big one coming to the East Coast!!!! Rest assured, it's only weather. AGW is flimsy pseudoscience....at best. Total fiction at worst.

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