Who still takes global warming seriously?

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Despite the recent discovery of the e-mails that resulted in "Climate Gate" and the fact this has been one of the coldest and harshest winters in many years, Gov.

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The entire Northeast coast was told Friday to be prepared for flooding, high winds, widespread power outages and even snow early next week as Hurricane Sandy made its way north after killing 41 people in the Caribbean.

"It will be unpredictable until the last minute," Jim Cisco, a forecaster at the National Weather Service's prediction office, told NBC News. "That really is the truth of the situation ... we're not sure how it's going to behave."

That's because Sandy will be making a hard west turn from the Atlantic, a rare occurrence. "It's coming in at a sharper angle" than previous storms because cold air moving in from the Northern Plains is undercutting Sandy's circulation, Cisco added.

On top of that, a new lunar cycle will bring high tides Sunday, Monday and Tuesday -- adding to the storm surge from Sandy.

"We haven't had much precedent for a storm like this," Cisco said. "Its effects may surprise even us."

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Tropical storm in a temperate zone. "Rare". "Not much precedent". Hmmm.
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"It's coming in at a sharper angle" than previous storms because cold air moving in from the Northern Plains is undercutting Sandy's circulation, Cisco added.
Cold has built up in the high Arctic, since the North Pole has been in darkness for 5 weeks with colder than normal temperatures for 3+weeks. However, slightly warmer Arctic temperatures indicates a south moving cold front spillage. South of the Arctic Circle at Dawson, Canada yesterday, temperatures were -27degC.
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Expanded reportage of Arctic conditions:

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Arctic sea ice, either by satellite or submarine data, is above the 2007 and 2011 Arctic sea ice extent AND, a month later than 'normal', the sea ice average for the decades of 2000's AND THE 1990's, at 7,112,031 km2 (October 25, 2012), sea ice formation drastically reduced to the day's rate of Massachusetts-size. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for five weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel, lower than the last three weeks of dates for 2007 & other recent years, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -18 degC. Even Dawson, Canada, south of the Arctic Circle & site of a heatwave one month+ ago, where temperatures were 22+degC, was -27degC yesterday , THE TEMPERATURE DIFFERENCE ALMOST HALF THAT BETWEEN BOILING WATER & ICE FORMATION!!

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is tied with 2007 AND 2011 sea ice extent for yesterday's date & is above the average minimum Arctic sea ice extent for the 2000's AND the 1990's, at 7,103,281 km2 (October 26, 2012). During a time of normal greatest Arctic sea ice gain per day(Kansas-sized), moderating conditions have combined to reverse AND LOSE, a Delaware-sized amount of sea ice. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have stabilized around -15 to -16degC, ending the past 3+ weeks of temperatures below the same weeks of 2007 & other recent years. Present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, are way below freezing, numerous areas into minus double digits. HOWEVER, THE SOLID SWATH OF COLD SIBERIAN TEMPS CONTINUE TO RISE, NOW TO -11degC & even unfreezing in eastern Siberia. These higher temps should be the reason for the slowing sea ice increase & even sea ice loss.

Arctic Ice Pack & sea ice is now connected to the Russian islands, altho Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard are still clear! Arctic Ice Pack is extending far south into the vast clear waters north of Alaska & Siberia. About 10 days ago, huge sea ice floes strongly developed in the vast clear waters north of Siberia(due to broad double digit minus Siberian temps spilled from North Pole's 5 weeks of darkness & vortex mixing breaking down stratified solar heated waters?) AND connected the Ice Pack to far eastern Siberia, truly a remarkable development!

A detail noted 17 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern?
Sixteen days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Fifteen days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a vortex in Arctic water!

Further data, show that the vortex is true!

Downwelling solar heats, in unusual clear Arctic Ocean & seas, normally sea ice covered in decades past, which have strongly transported extra solar energy to continental shelf, sea & Ocean depths for 4 months, is nearly over. The sun is now a full 12 Arc-degrees below the horizon as seen from the North Pole. Only sea icing southern Arctic seas(Alaska not icing) get a skimming from the sun for a few hours a day, which is only single digit degrees off the horizon!

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Condemning the voter's children to their CO2 deaths is just what Romney wants us to do. Nice job girls.

*In all of the debates so far, Obama hasnít planned to mention climate change once.

*Obama has not mentioned the crisis in the last two State of the Unions addresses.

*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets run by corporations.

*Julian Assange is of course a climate change denier.

*Canada killed Y2Kyoto with a freely elected climate change denying prime minister and nobody cared, especially the millions of scientists warning us of unstoppable warming (a comet hit).

Science needs to step up to the plate and be honest with us.

Science has betrayed its own warnings of crisis:

The millions of people in the global scientific community that are not reacting to the world walking away from their crisis "warnings", proves climate change was just an exaggeration.

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litesong wrote:
Expanded reportage of Arctic conditions:
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice, either by satellite or submarine data, is above the 2007 and 2011 Arctic sea ice extent AND, a month later than 'normal', the sea ice average for the decades of 2000's AND THE 1990's, at 7,112,031 km2 (October 25, 2012), sea ice formation drastically reduced to the day's rate of Massachusetts-size. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for five weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel, lower than the last three weeks of dates for 2007 & other recent years, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -18 degC. Even Dawson, Canada, south of the Arctic Circle & site of a heatwave one month+ ago, where temperatures were 22+degC, was -27degC yesterday , THE TEMPERATURE DIFFERENCE ALMOST HALF THAT BETWEEN BOILING WATER & ICE FORMATION!!
Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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litesong continues
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is tied with 2007 AND 2011 sea ice extent for yesterday's date & is above the average minimum Arctic sea ice extent for the 2000's AND the 1990's, at 7,103,281 km2 (October 26, 2012). During a time of normal greatest Arctic sea ice gain per day(Kansas-sized), moderating conditions have combined to reverse AND LOSE, a Delaware-sized amount of sea ice. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have stabilized around -15 to -16degC, ending the past 3+ weeks of temperatures below the same weeks of 2007 & other recent years. Present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, are way below freezing, numerous areas into minus double digits. HOWEVER, THE SOLID SWATH OF COLD SIBERIAN TEMPS CONTINUE TO RISE, NOW TO -11degC & even unfreezing in eastern Siberia. These higher temps should be the reason for the slowing sea ice increase & even sea ice loss.
Arctic Ice Pack & sea ice is now connected to the Russian islands, altho Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard are still clear! Arctic Ice Pack is extending far south into the vast clear waters north of Alaska & Siberia. About 10 days ago, huge sea ice floes strongly developed in the vast clear waters north of Siberia(due to broad double digit minus Siberian temps spilled from North Pole's 5 weeks of darkness & vortex mixing breaking down stratified solar heated waters?) AND connected the Ice Pack to far eastern Siberia, truly a remarkable development!
A detail noted 17 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern?
Sixteen days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Fifteen days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they over. The sun is now a full 12 Arc-degrees below the horizon as seen from the North Pole. Only sea icing southern Arctic seas(Alaska not icing) get a skimming from the sun for a few hours a day, which is only single digit degrees off the horizon!
Ok so find us one IPCC warning that isn't peppered with "maybe" and "could be" etc if this climate crisis is so "real". Help my house is on fire maybe?
Scientific exaggeration isn't a crime.
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mememine69 wrote:
Condemning the voter's children to their CO2 deaths is just what Romney wants us to do. Nice job girls.
*In all of the debates so far, Obama hasnít planned to mention climate change once.
*Obama has not mentioned the crisis in the last two State of the Unions addresses.
*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets run by corporations.
*Julian Assange is of course a climate change denier.
*Canada killed Y2Kyoto with a freely elected climate change denying prime minister and nobody cared, especially the millions of scientists warning us of unstoppable warming (a comet hit).
Science needs to step up to the plate and be honest with us.
Science has betrayed its own warnings of crisis:
The millions of people in the global scientific community that are not reacting to the world walking away from their crisis "warnings", proves climate change was just an exaggeration.
Now pay attention: the highest gas price occurred under the Bush management

http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graph

See the spike in 2008. Then Bush (GOP) messed up the economy before the Obama election, the price sank, of course. See it?
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mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text> Ok so find us one IPCC warning that isn't peppered with "maybe" and "could be" etc if this climate crisis is so "real". Help my house is on fire maybe?
Scientific exaggeration isn't a crime.
How about you showing us the quotes?

You are merely hysterical.

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<quoted text>How about you showing us the quotes?
You are merely hysterical.
What else do the deniers have going for themselves? They certainly do not have the science to support their hysteria!

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>How about you showing us the quotes?
You are merely hysterical.
How do I quote what isn't there? Find me one IPCC warning without maybes. Just one.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Now pay attention: the highest gas price occurred under the Bush management
http://zfacts.com/gas-price-history-graph
See the spike in 2008. Then Bush (GOP) messed up the economy before the Obama election, the price sank, of course. See it?
At least Bush didn't issue CO2 death threats to my kids.
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me me me getting mine in the 69 position wrote:
.....so find us.......
Its very hard to find intelligence in toxic topix AGW deniers. As a consequence, they found it too hard to get math & science degrees & generally lag the scientists they demean by 10-16 years of science & mathematics.
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mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text> At least Bush didn't issue CO2 death threats to my kids.
Well there you go again. Now prove disprove your above statement.

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<quoted text>Well there you go again. Now prove disprove your above statement.
Like Big_G it is all bluster. No meat in the bun.
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(Reuters)- The devastating U.S. drought and ensuing crop disease are upending traditional grain movement patterns, with dozens of trains and barges shipping North Dakota or Mississippi corn into the Corn Belt rather than out to the coasts.

Processors and ethanol producers in No. 2 corn state Illinois, where the average corn yield was the lowest in nearly 25 years, are "importing" millions of bushels of the grain - an unprecedented volume - from North Dakota, which produced a record crop this year, trade sources said. Northern corn is even reaching key livestock states such as Texas and Oklahoma.

Some southern states, which were also spared the worst of the most extensive drought in half a century this year, are shipping barges of corn up the Mississippi River to the interior, reversing the normal trade flow, traders say.

While atypical shipments are not unheard of in the agricultural market, traders say the scale of this year's upheaval is unprecedented. It is being fueled both by the dramatic difference between drought-hit Midwest crops and bumper harvests in fringe states, as well as the prevalence of a naturally occurring toxin, aflatoxin, that can harm livestock.

The unusual grain flow could foreshadow a scramble for quality corn supplies in the months to come as end-users work through the smallest U.S. harvest in six years. By next September, corn stocks are projected to drop to just 5.5 percent of annual demand, the bare minimum of operational requirements.

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mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>How do I quote what isn't there? Find me one IPCC warning without maybes. Just one.
"Maybe" seemed to be enough to get some coastal areas in the US evacuated.

Rational people take notice of probabilistic warnings.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
Like Big_G it is all bluster. No meat in the bun.
No experiments testing climate change mitigation makes the theory of man made catastrophic global warming 'all bluster'.

Your carbon emissions are all forgiven; rejoice and live. Emit now and when you die you can conserve.

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No experiments testing...
Says the models are right and Sandy's going to smack into New York.

That hasn't stopped people evacuating low lying areas.

Observation and prediction says the danger is great: sensible people are taking notice.

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Sandy is weather, not climate.
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Logic is thinking, not being a moron...
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Amused Slew wrote:
Logic is thinking, not being a moron...
Actually, I would say that thinking is reason, logic is just a way for morons to have erroneous opinions. Or as one wag put it, "logic is a way to go wrong with confidence". Basically logic can reach absurd conclusions from invalid premises. And you need reason to find the correct premises, or know when the ones used are faulty or being misapplied.

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