Bjorn Lomborg: Climate-Change Misdirection

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In his second inaugural address on Monday, President Obama laudably promised to "respond to the threat of climate change." Unfortunately, when the president described the urgent nature of the threat-the "devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms"-the scary examples suggested that he is contemplating poor ... (more)
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Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#42 Feb 10, 2013
**Organizations that say AGW is a FRAUD**
[None which are science based organizations].
* American Petroleum Institute
* US Chamber of Commerce
* National Petrochemical and Refiners Association
* Western States Petroleum Association
* National Association of Manufacturers
* Competitive Enterprise Institute
* Industrial Minerals Association
* National Cattlemen's Beef Association
* Great Northern Project Development
* Rosebud Mining
* Alpha Natural Resources
* Southeastern Legal Foundation
* Georgia Agribusiness Council
* Georgia Motor Trucking Association
* Corn Refiners Association
* National Association of Home Builders
* National Oilseed Processors Association

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/01/global-w...
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#43 Feb 10, 2013
Shore 'nuf! Ya Wallop10'ed 'em for 10 homeruns. Them's that don't believe don't have mathematics, engineering, or science degrees. Others who have no upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc got poorly earned hi skule deegreees & don't count no how, no way.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#44 Feb 10, 2013
Watts had egg on his face when he said prior to Dr. Muller's study of weather station data he would respect whatever result he achieved.

That was before Dr Muller's results were almost identical to NASA. Now all the skeptics say Dr. Muller was always a secret liberal.

LOL.

<<Berkeley Earth has just released analysis of land-surface temperature records going back 250 years, about 100 years further than previous studies. The analysis shows that the rise in average world land temperature globe is approximately 1.5 degrees C in the past 250 years, and about 0.9 degrees in the past 50 years.

Berkeley Earth also has carefully studied issues raised by skeptics, such as possible biases from urban heating, data selection, poor station quality, and data adjustment. We have demonstrated that these do not unduly bias the results.

Many of the changes in land-surface temperature can be explained by a combination of volcanoes and a proxy for human greenhouse gas emissions. Solar variation does not seem to impact the temperature trend.>>

http://berkeleyearth.org/results-summary/

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Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#45 Feb 10, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Bolden had a presentation in a Muslim country where he tried to remind them they had a science background they should be proud of instead of a right wing fundi authoritarian governments.
It had nothing to do with recruiting NASA employees. You want us to scream to Arabs we want to kill all of you?
Maybe you want us in WW III.
Bolden is a jerk and the White House finds him to be an embarrassment. He has been on a short leash ever since.

Huffington Post - NASA Head Charles Bolden Mired In Controversy: http://tinyurl.com/32sbfs7

"Over the summer, Bolden said in an interview with Middle Eastern news network Al-Jazeera that one of NASA's main tasks was to reach out to the Muslim world and help Muslims feel good about their historical contributions to science. NASA and the White House spent a good part of July trying to defend and explain Bolden's comments."

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Fox News - Who's Telling the Truth -- NASA's Chief or the White House?: http://tinyurl.com/262eymj

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Obama’s Next Frontier For NASA: Fix Relations With Muslims –“Foremost Mission”– With Video: http://tinyurl.com/36wmst4

"Though international diplomacy would seem well outside NASA’s orbit, Bolden said in an interview with Al Jazeera that strengthening those ties was among the top tasks President Obama assigned him. He said better interaction with the Muslim world would ultimately advance space travel

All of this "outreach" to Muslims from the WHite House has Bolden all but hanging out a sign at NASA saying "Only Muslims Need Apply"

You are playing PC here and elsewhere in yout Hocky Stick BS above and you know it. Liberal Progressives have found a new weapon to exploit in their march toward American Socialism: Skewed Science.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#46 Feb 10, 2013
litesong wrote:
Shore 'nuf! Ya Wallop10'ed 'em for 10 homeruns. Them's that don't believe don't have mathematics, engineering, or science degrees. Others who have no upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc got poorly earned hi skule deegreees & don't count no how, no way.
Shore 'nuf! Yoo love them bright yellow kneepads, Dood.

When Science is treated like religion, toofless backwoods creeps like you begin crawling out of the woodwork. Glory Hallelujah!

Go sit on a Test Tube and smile for us.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#47 Feb 10, 2013
"Over the summer, Bolden said in an interview with Middle Eastern news network Al-Jazeera that one of NASA's main tasks was to reach out to the Muslim world and help Muslims feel good about their historical contributions to science. NASA and the White House spent a good part of July trying to defend and explain Bolden's comments."

Er, only to right wingers... He was trying to get Arabs to be pro-science, but emphasizing Muslims used to have a tradition in science.

Of course OUR right wingers are anti=science.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#48 Feb 10, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
**Organizations that say AGW is a FRAUD**
[None which are science based organizations].
* American Petroleum Institute
* US Chamber of Commerce
* National Petrochemical and Refiners Association
* Western States Petroleum Association
* National Association of Manufacturers
* Competitive Enterprise Institute
* Industrial Minerals Association
* National Cattlemen's Beef Association
* Great Northern Project Development
* Rosebud Mining
* Alpha Natural Resources
* Southeastern Legal Foundation
* Georgia Agribusiness Council
* Georgia Motor Trucking Association
* Corn Refiners Association
* National Association of Home Builders
* National Oilseed Processors Association
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2013/01/global-w...
Barry Ritholtz is a finance guy with political opinions, Dood.

Weren't you earlier critical of opinions from folks who were not steeped in Science as a profession making statements on Anthropic Global Warming issues?

Apparently, you don't know how to spell Hypocrisy correctly.

But Wallop10 will do.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#49 Feb 10, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
At which point did I allude to being an English Major? But continue to side step.... You haven't presented any science, I haven't presented any science ... I asked a question for you to be specific about and you haven't presented your scientific argument so I have not responded with a science based rebuttal... But feel free to present your scientific rational for your statements and I will be glad to respond... Until then your just a useful idiot that keeps making my point and not knowing you are doing so... T.S.T.K.H.S.T.A. disorder on full display in your posts....
SpaceBlues is stuck inside of adolescence and is not coming out.

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Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#50 Feb 10, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Read my posts above.
Btw, I gave $ at the office.
This is no place to discuss your sex life.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#51 Feb 10, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
I read science. This is a science topic.
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence
Maybe you think you can do a better job than them putting a rocket on the moon too.
Let's not get onto the Bolden joke again, Dood.

You know very well that NASA, like most government agencies, contains dedicated individuals at the bottom and political floozies at the top. EVERYTHING is filtered through the political sieve before it is released or even before its contents are aggregated for an article. This is the Age of The Boy Messiah.
Science is now political fodder.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#52 Feb 10, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>
Barry Ritholtz is a finance guy with political opinions, Dood.
.
It'd be easy to prove me wrong.

Here is ANOTHER source.

1 virtually all the world renown science agencies have put out statements warning about the potential serious threats of global warming:

"Since 2007, no scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion [on global warming - see below]. A few organizations hold non-committal positions >>
taken from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opini...

This includes all the national SCIENCE academies in the world [which study many sciences -- not just climatology]

National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)
Science Council of Japan
Russian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society (United Kingdom)
Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Academy of Sciences Malaysia Academy
Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

All the organizations specializing in climate, atmosphere, ocean, and/or earth sciences
NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS/NASA)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS)
American Geophysical Union (AGU)
American Institute of Physics (AIP)
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
American Meteorological Society (AMS)
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)

These organizations also agree with the consensus:
Royal Meteorological Society Community
American Association for the Advancement of Science
National Research Council
US Office of Science Technology Policy
US National Climatic Data Center
The National Academy of Engineering
The Institute of Medicine
American Chemical Society
The Weather Channel
National Geographic

This is typical:

American Association for the Advancement of Science

The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society. Accumulating data from across the globe reveal a wide array of effects: rapidly melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets, increases in extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts in species ranges, and more. The pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now. The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, a critical greenhouse gas, is higher than it has been for at least 650,000 years.

The average temperature of the Earth is heading for levels not experienced for millions of years. Scientific predictions of the impacts of increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases from fossil fuels and deforestation match observed changes. As expected, intensification of droughts, heat waves, floods, wildfires, and severe storms is occur Delaying action to address climate change will increase the environmental and societal consequences as well as the costs. The longer we wait to tackle climate change, the harder and more expensive the task will be.

http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/climate_c...

#2 All the mainstream science media supports global warming -- examples: Scientific American, Discover, NewScientist, Science, Science News.

#3 Essentially all the scientific studies in peer review science journals support global warming.

It'd be easy to prove me wrong. I gave a long list.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#53 Feb 10, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you better call them fellers up and tell them they are still using a Proven Fraudulent Chart....
That Chart is the classic Hockey Stick Chart that was based on the data and claims of Michael Mann and has been shown to be based on error, admitted error by the IPCC but still being put forth as a basis for the claims of those that make their living from the claims...
http://a-sceptical-mind.com/the-rise-and-fall...
http://www.sustainableoregon.com/hockeystick....
But that all set aside ask your sources one Question... In the Data what comes First.... Co2 Rise followed by increase in Temps... Or Temps Rise followed by Co2 Rise....
That Question has actually been answered and really should settle the Argument on Man caused climate change... Co2 Lags Global Temps... As Temps Rise due to solar cycles the oceans release massive quantities of Co2... 1000's of times more than Humans over all of the Industrial Period.... Add to that the release of Co2 from carbonaceous rock when it gets warmer and the increase in decomposition of organic debris and the Co2 Lag is easily explainable....
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/23/new-res...
Wallop10 is another religious sycophant helping to promote his master's Science 101 for the unwashed masses.

Ignoring him is no great task.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#54 Feb 10, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
"Over the summer, Bolden said in an interview with Middle Eastern news network Al-Jazeera that one of NASA's main tasks was to reach out to the Muslim world and help Muslims feel good about their historical contributions to science. NASA and the White House spent a good part of July trying to defend and explain Bolden's comments."
Er, only to right wingers... He was trying to get Arabs to be pro-science, but emphasizing Muslims used to have a tradition in science.
Of course OUR right wingers are anti=science.
So WTH is a NASA Administrator appointee doing playing diplomat to Muslims? Don't we have State Dept. folks to do that?

Maybe we should get the Secretary of State to advise NASA on how to increase Space Flight efficiencies, eh?

Muslims are already pro-science, Dood. They know how to fly hi-tech airliners into buildings, use hi-tech cellphones as explosives detonators, construct IEDs on the fly, sell Nuclear Weapons data to other world terrorists and construct Nuclear bombs, missiles, dirty bombs, etc. all the while telling the UN that they are building Power Plants. They also know how to build biological WMDs to kill Jews with.

Yep, them thar Moozlums are real pro-science already.

You desperately need a new tack.

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#55 Feb 10, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
It'd be easy to prove me wrong.
Here is ANOTHER source.
1 virtually all the world renown science agencies have put out statements warning about the potential serious threats of global warming:
"Since 2007, no scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion [on global warming - see below]. A few organizations hold non-committal positions >>
taken from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opini...
This includes all the national SCIENCE academies in the world [which study many sciences -- not just climatology]
National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)
Science Council of Japan
Russian Academy of Sciences
Royal Society (United Kingdom)
Australian Academy of Sciences
Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
Caribbean Academy of Sciences
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Royal Irish Academy
Academy of Sciences Malaysia Academy
Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
All the organizations specializing in climate, atmosphere, ocean, and/or earth sciences
NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS/NASA)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS)
American Geophysical Union (AGU)
American Institute of Physics (AIP)
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
American Meteorological Society (AMS)
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)
These organizations also agree with the consensus:
Royal Meteorological Society Community
American Association for the Advancement of Science
National Research Council
US Office of Science Technology Policy
US National Climatic Data Center
The National Academy of Engineering
The Institute of Medicine
American Chemical Society
The Weather Channel
National Geographic

It'd be easy to prove me wrong. I gave a long list.
Copy-n-Paste is fun, isn't it? I have noticed that stupid people share some common characteristics. One of them goes like this: when they are caught throwing poop, they immediately and reflexively begin throwing more poop to cover the other poop they threw earlier. What did Einstein say about the definition of insanity?

The key word inside all this is "Anthropic". And you seem to have lost it somewhere buried in your little basket of Copy-n-Paste flotsam.

"proving" someone wrong depends on each party's definition of "proof" being equivalent. Your "proof" is not scientific but emotion-driven political pap. Mine is logical and scientific.

East is East and West is West and the twain shall never meet.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.panoramio.com/user/

#56 Feb 10, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again.. Science by Purchase Price... The Correlation between Co2 and Temp is well understood and Co2 Lag Temp due to the oceans warming slower that atmosphere... Even the suggestion that Ice Cores are synchronous shows a manipulation of the data as the Ocean is the main by many, many fold the mass producer of Co2... For an Ice core to show synchronicity would mean atmospheric and oceanographic temperatures to change simultaneously , a physical impossibility...

So now it comes down to ad hominen attacks on the those scientist that have opposing views and I understand the tactic but take care because both the Priests of Global warming wear no cloths...

Like when the great Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia stated in 2000...... Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event."

And that great scientist Michael Oppenheimer when he told us in 1990....."[By 1995] The greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers."

Then there is Raj Pachauri, the railroad engineer who is chairman of the IPCC.

As for the assorted predictions based on models of those that get paid for screaming man Did it and if this or that we should be this or that they have Yet to Be Correct on a Single prediction of the past based on those claims from predictive models....

The Same people told use just 20 years ago that our temps today would be 3 degrees warmer than they are and we have Actually warmed about .8 deg and have actually dropped over the last 8 years on average ... We were told that Predictions would have sea levels rising to where today the sea level would inundate our shore lines... but today the sea level rise is the same rate it has been for 7000 years....

These same Paid For Priests Have Yet to get a single prediction correct and the IPCC is ever stating to admit it's been Wrong...

In 2008 NOAA wrote in it's “State of the Climate in 2008” that 15 years or more without any statistically-significant warming would indicate a discrepancy between observation and prediction. It has been 17 years with no significant warming ... That was why the Term Global Warming was Changed to Climate Change several years back so the claim of Co2 and man could still be blamed even if the temps dropped....

Open letter to the UN by 125 Scientist's (Feel free to compare their qualifications against the ones the make the models that have been wrong so far you mentioned) http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/11/29/o...

Let me restate what the Conclusion based on the data from a long term study by the United Kingdom Meteorology Office last year "There has been no statistically significant global warming for almost 16 years."

The biggest Fraud is in publications.. If you disagree with the Dogma your papers and data will not be published, Then because there is an abundance of publications that agree and very few that disagree so to claim Consensus...

A statement from a leaked Ipcc report ....

"The admission of strong evidence for enhanced solar forcing changes everything. The climate alarmists can’t continue to claim that warming was almost entirely due to human activity over a period when solar warming effects, now acknowledged to be important, were at a maximum."

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#57 Feb 10, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>
NASA is now Science On A Leash.
When the Boy Messiah appointed Charles F. Bolden as NASA Administrator, he ran his big racist mouth immediately calling for more Muslims inside of NASA. This, sadly, is the state of Science today under this present administration.
Science needs a new home far from the monsters who want to control it.
Yep, Obama made it clear that Bolden's duties included, and perhaps were "foremost"(in Bolden's own words) catering to Muslim self esteem issues.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/07/...

That kind of behavior is not exactly the definition of progressive that I had in mind concerning a NASA employee. Obama is determined to bring this country to its knees in any and every way that he possibly can.

“It's all about the struggle”

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#58 Feb 10, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>
Bolden is a jerk and the White House finds him to be an embarrassment. He has been on a short leash ever since.
Huffington Post - NASA Head Charles Bolden Mired In Controversy: http://tinyurl.com/32sbfs7
"Over the summer, Bolden said in an interview with Middle Eastern news network Al-Jazeera that one of NASA's main tasks was to reach out to the Muslim world and help Muslims feel good about their historical contributions to science. NASA and the White House spent a good part of July trying to defend and explain Bolden's comments."
~~~~~~~~~~
Fox News - Who's Telling the Truth -- NASA's Chief or the White House?: http://tinyurl.com/262eymj
~~~~~~~~~~
Obama’s Next Frontier For NASA: Fix Relations With Muslims –“Foremost Mission”– With Video: http://tinyurl.com/36wmst4
"Though international diplomacy would seem well outside NASA’s orbit, Bolden said in an interview with Al Jazeera that strengthening those ties was among the top tasks President Obama assigned him. He said better interaction with the Muslim world would ultimately advance space travel
All of this "outreach" to Muslims from the WHite House has Bolden all but hanging out a sign at NASA saying "Only Muslims Need Apply"
You are playing PC here and elsewhere in yout Hocky Stick BS above and you know it. Liberal Progressives have found a new weapon to exploit in their march toward American Socialism: Skewed Science.
Radical Muslims and militant, gay liberal atheists make for some very strange "bedfellows", don't they? ;)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Geez, it's enough to make Oscar Wilde roll over in his grave.

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#59 Feb 10, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>
SpaceBlues is stuck inside of adolescence and is not coming out.
Remember cousin jethro's friend "truthist"? Spaceblues is truthist reincarnated.
PHD

Overton, TX

#60 Feb 11, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
I read science. This is a science topic.
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence
Maybe you think you can do a better job than them putting a rocket on the moon too.
walloped again and again. No, you post and read scientific science fiction. Based on the above posters you should go in hiding and get that head checked. The walloping you received may have stunned that single brain cell. No insult just some advice.
PHD

Overton, TX

#61 Feb 11, 2013
litesong wrote:
Shore 'nuf! Ya Wallop10'ed 'em for 10 homeruns. Them's that don't believe don't have mathematics, engineering, or science degrees. Others who have no upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc got poorly earned hi skule deegreees & don't count no how, no way.
In addition, you think topix does not know what you publish. Attacks on me will not delete or erase what you are and what you do. You should stop making an ASSumption of your---self before you know the facts. Do contact topix to satisfy your accusations of the reprint BS your posting of what I said. You are a dumbASSumption of your---self again.

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