Arctic ice disappearance should be 'wake-up call'

There are 18 comments on the www.cbc.ca story from Sep 17, 2012, titled Arctic ice disappearance should be 'wake-up call'. In it, www.cbc.ca reports that:

An ice-free Victoria Strait, shown on Aug. 27, eliminated any ice-related concerns that could have affected this year's search for Sir John Franklin's lost ships.

The ice covering the search area for the two lost ships of Sir John Franklin's doomed Arctic expedition suddenly disappeared more than three weeks ago, eliminating any ice-related issues that might have hampered technologies deployed in the search.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1 Sep 17, 2012
Ah, what's a little global warming between friends.....

Nothing to worry about folks, it's a dry heat!!

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#2 Sep 18, 2012
I have 236 carbon credits in my basement, I'll let them go for $6250 @, or $1.5M for all of them. No checks please. Get in on the bottom, they will go up faster than a Chicago teacherís salary when the word gets out.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#3 Oct 3, 2012
Two toxic topix AGW deniers smoke weed so they have a reason to NOT see the warming.

Here's the warming:

Latest about Arctic sea ice melt 'and recovery':
+Barely ABOVE 4 million km2, Arctic sea ice extent is still BELOW any recorded level in any previous year for ~6 weeks, presently at 4,166,563 km2 (October 2, 2012), fractionally gaining ~25,000 km2(a bit more than West Virginia area) of sea ice the previous day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for 10+ days, & temperatures above the 80th parallel, a bit above -13 degC, fractionally above normal. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

Only along the Greenland east coast is sea ice extending greatly south. All other regions, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast Passage & Arctic waters, south of the Arctic Ice Pack, resist conversion back to Arctic sea ice.

IN ADDITION, for months, any downwellings in the Arctic waters that have been ice-free, have been conducting much captured solar energy radiating on those clear waters, to the depths of the continental shelves & Arctic Ocean.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice VOLUME.

Yes, the Arctic sea ice Volume is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#4 Oct 4, 2012
Hey, litesout, you're spamming the forum with melted ice.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#5 Oct 4, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
..... you're spamming the forum with melted ice.
"steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" wrote:
I'll be happy when Arctic summer sea ice disappears completely......
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litesong wrote:
"steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" doesn't think that slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms aren't made out of pork, but the lack of sea ice has too much pork.

Its about time "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" showed up at the OK corral. "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" isn't happy because it says the Arctic sea ice isn't melting fast enough for him. It likes people & animals put under stress. Adapt or die, altho wasteful toxic topix AGW deniers don't have to change their ways.

Anyhow, to make "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" more unhappy:

Barely ABOVE 4 million km2, Arctic sea ice extent is still BELOW any recorded level in any previous year for ~6 weeks, presently at 4,166,563 km2 (October 2, 2012), fractionally gaining ~25,000 km2(a bit more than West Virginia area) of sea ice the previous day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for 10+ days, & temperatures above the 80th parallel, a bit above -13 degC, fractionally above normal, although past weeks of Arctic temperatures have been averaging 7degC high.

Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters. Only along the Greenland east coast is sea ice extending greatly south. All other regions, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast Passage & Arctic waters, south of the Arctic Ice Pack, resist conversion back to Arctic sea ice.

IN ADDITION, for months, any downwellings in the Arctic waters that have been ice-free, have been conducting much captured solar energy radiating on those clear waters, to the depths of the continental shelves & Arctic Ocean.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice VOLUME.

Yes, the Arctic sea ice Volume is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.
PHD

Houston, TX

#6 Oct 4, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Hey, litesout, you're spamming the forum with melted ice.
And you with useless babble. Have you seen your care giver today?
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#7 Oct 4, 2012
A stunning performance(actually a non-performance) the last two days, showing Arctic sea ice NOT piling on great amounts of sea ice on the Arctic Ocean, surrounding seas & landforms. Two days ago, Arctic sea ice expansion was only the size of West Virginia! TODAY THE ARCTIC SEA ICE AREA EXPANSION WAS ONLY AS TINY AS CONNECTICUT!
Called a secondary feedback in AGW, solar energy absorption by historically unrecorded amounts of clear Arctic waters is putting on an incredible show in a non-performing role, well worthy of an Academy Award. With a stoic unchanging face, almost all Arctic waters refuse to ice:

Details below:
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litesong wrote:
Barely ABOVE 4 million km2, Arctic sea ice extent is still BELOW any recorded level in any previous year, at 4,166,563 km2 (October 2, 2012), fractionally gaining ~25,000 km2(a bit more than West Virginia area) of sea ice the previous day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for 10+ days, & temperatures above the 80th parallel, a bit above -13 degC, fractionally above normal. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters. Only along the Greenland east coast is sea ice extending greatly south.
It is stunning how the southern Arctic waters resist the ever increasing darkness & cold atmospheric temperatures trying to convert water to sea ice(yes, only West Virginia this past day).
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice Volume is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.
Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.
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litesong continues:
Barely ABOVE 4 million km2, Arctic sea ice extent is still at or just BELOW any recorded level in any previous year, at 4,173,594 km2 (October 3, 2012), fractionally gaining ~7,000 km2(a bit more than tiny Connecticut area) of sea ice the previous day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for ~2 weeks, & temperatures above the 80th parallel, at -13 degC. Temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean are dropping well below freezing, yet Arctic Ocean & seas still remain remarkably free of sea ice. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters. Only along the Greenland east coast is sea ice extending greatly south.
It is stunning how the southern Arctic waters resist the ever increasing darkness & cold atmospheric temperatures trying to convert water to sea ice(yes, only Connecticut area, this past day).
This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice Volume is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.
Yeah, despite the feeble denial efforts of 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, to discount this thread, this thread is alive.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#8 Nov 9, 2012
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice, either by satellite or submarine data, is above the 2007 and 2011 Arctic sea ice extent AND, a month later than 'normal', the sea ice average for the decades of 2000's, AND THE 1990's, at 8,227,344 km2 (November 7, 2012), the day's gain, somewhat more than Maryland-sized. with temperatures above the 80th parallel now at -20 degC. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for 7+ weeks, temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, as low as -28 & -33degC! After the Arctic cold outbreak, which has added three plus feet of snow to the results of Hurricane Sandy, Arctic cold is once more building.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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litesong continues
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is above 2007 AND 2011, the average minimum Arctic sea ice extent for the 2000's, the 1990's, & now the 1980's, at 8,248,281 km2 (November 8, 2012), the day's gain, small New Jersey-sized. Indeed, Arctic Ice Pack area, tho colder than normal for 3 weeks, beginning a month ago, is lower than the years, 2007, 2008 & 2011 for the same dates. Present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, have numerous areas into minus teen digits. Many northern AND some southern Canadian islands & Alaska have temperatures beyond the minus teens, with numerous lows near -25degC! Siberian temperatures are in the lower minus teens, with -25degC, the lowest.

The vast open Arctic waters north of Siberia have been covered by Arctic Ice Pack. The huge sea ice floes that strongly developed in the vast clear waters north of Siberia(due to broad double digit minus Siberian temps spilled from North Pole's 7 weeks of darkness & vortex mixing breaking down stratified solar heated waters?), have done their job AND connected the Ice Pack to the entire Siberian coastline, truly a remarkable development!

However, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard, in winter darkness 24/7, are still clear of the Ice Pack!!!!!!!!!! A circular vortex just formed north of the line connecting both sets of islands. Wonder if the Ice Pack may expand in this area?

Rapid local expansion of Arctic Ice Pack now touches a part of the northern coast of Alaska!

A detail noted 25 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern?
Twenty four days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Twenty three days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water!
Further data, show that the vortex is true!

Downwelling solar heats, in unusual clear Arctic Ocean & seas, normally sea ice covered in decades past, which have strongly transported extra solar energy to continental shelf, sea & Ocean depths for 4 months, is over. The sun is unseen anywhere above the 74th parallel, now shrouding the Arctic with darkness for a good portion of the year! The northern parts of the Northwest Passage are in darkness 24/7. Only Alaskan, far north European, & far western Russian southern Arctic seas get a skimming from the sun for only a bit of the day, which is visually only a hand full of solar diameters off the horizon, at most!
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#9 Nov 25, 2012
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice extent is 9,630,781 km2 (November 23, 2012), the day's gain, again only the area of S. Carolina, with average temperatures above the 80th parallel to -24 degC. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for two+ months!

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of November, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~21% lower than any other year Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME. Average Arctic sea ice VOLUME during November for the period 1980-89, was ~18 thousand km3. Present November 2012 sea ice VOLUME is 6200 km3. The Arctic sea ice loss has been an uncontrolled plummet, desired by unscientific AGW deniers, who mostly have no or little mathematical or science background.
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litesong continues
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is 100,000 km2 less than 2nd place 2007, at 9,740,781 km2 (November 24, 2012), the day's gain, only Virginia-sized, despite present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, in Siberia & Arctic Canadian islands, to as low as -34degC.

Finally, the Arctic Ice Pack has attached solidly to the north coast of Alaska & now on the west coast. Baffin Bay is sea icing. Due to solar heats absorbed into the shallow waters of Hudson Bay, despite many sporadic temperatures to as low as -31 degC, the Bay still has NOT ICED.

The vast open Arctic waters north of Siberia have been covered by Arctic Ice Pack. The huge sea ice floes that strongly developed in the vast clear waters north of Siberia(due to broad double digit minus Siberian temps spilled from North Pole's 7+ weeks of darkness & vortex mixing breaking down stratified solar heated waters?), have done their job AND connected the Ice Pack to the entire Siberian coastline, truly a remarkable past development!

Chief Joseph Land is being encircled by Arctic Ice Pack, very wide to the east, due to a continuing 4-day vortex that is moving cold Arctic sea water southward to the islands. However, Svalbard, in winter darkness 24/7, is still clear of the Ice Pack!!!!!!!!!!

A detail noted over a month ago, is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle Ice Pack, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern?
A month+ ago, noted near the raggy taggy Ice Pack, developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. A month ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water!
Further data, showed that the vortex was true!

Downwelling solar heats, in unusual clear Arctic Ocean & seas, normally sea ice covered in decades past, which have strongly transported extra solar energy to continental shelf, sea & Ocean depths for 4 months, is over. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for 2+months & presently anywhere above the 70th parallel, now shrouding the Arctic with darkness for a good portion of the year! The sun is under 3 arcdeg above its farthest position to the south, due to the tilt of the Earth & present orbital position., with average temperatures above the 80th parallel dropping to -24 degC.
PHD

Oak Park, MI

#10 Nov 25, 2012
The ice melting really really means nothing.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#11 Nov 25, 2012
PHD wrote:
The ice melting really really means nothing.
Of usual, you are incorrect & you know that you are incorrect. But that really really means nothing, since you have no mathematics & science that can be brought to bear to discover anything.
PHD

Oak Park, MI

#12 Nov 26, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Of usual, you are incorrect & you know that you are incorrect. But that really really means nothing, since you have no mathematics & science that can be brought to bear to discover anything.
I do know this your expertise is in cut and paste. You have no mathematics and science that can be brought to bear any truth for or against global warming. Actually if you had anything to bear in mathematics you could have stopped the failure of the largest Banks and Ind. of this country. You elected to sit on your laurels and do nothing but cut and paste.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#14 Nov 26, 2012
PHD wrote:
cut and paste.....to bear.......
Better cut your bear or he'll paste you all over.......
PHD

Oak Park, MI

#15 Nov 26, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Better cut your bear or he'll paste you all over.......
Matbe you need to cut and paste your beer.You can do better try harder.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#16 Nov 26, 2012
phd wrote:
Matbe(sic) you need to cut and paste your beer.You can do better try harder.
No alcoholic beer here. You need to cut & paste more. Your own spelling has to be better & you need to try harder.
PHD

Oak Park, MI

#17 Nov 27, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
No alcoholic beer here. You need to cut & paste more. Your own spelling has to be better & you need to try harder.
May its your bare you need to get in line.Now you try a little harder.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#18 Dec 20, 2012
Arctic sea ice extent is 11,462,969 km2 (December 18, 2012), the day's unaccustomed gain, S. Dakota-sized, at this time of year! Present temperatures on Arctic Canadian islands, mainland, & Siberia are commonly to minus mid-thirties degC & less. Average temperatures above the 80th parallel is -27degC.
The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for 12 weeks! Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of December, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~13% lower than any other set of years of Arctic sea ice monthly VOLUME. Average Arctic sea ice VOLUME during December for the period 1980-89, was ~20 thousand km3. Present December 2012 sea ice VOLUME is 9600 km3. The Arctic sea ice loss has been an uncontrolled plummet, desired by unscientific AGW deniers, who mostly have no or little mathematical or science background.
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litesong continues:
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is 11,544,531 km2 (December 19, 2012), the day's gain, S. Carolina-sized. Present temperatures on Arctic Canadian islands, the mainland & Siberia, are to the minus mid-thirties degC & less, with Dawson, Canada at -43degC! Generally normal, some temperatures are spottily warm(S. Greenland at 9degC, 48degF), accounting for cold Arctic spillage towards Canada & the U.S.
Eastern Baffin Bay along Greenland remains thinly clear!!!!!! Temperatures across Baffin Bay dramatically drop, east to west. Due to solar heats absorbed into the shallow waters of Hudson Bay, the Bay has resisted icing. With past temperatures as low as -40 degC, due to cold spillage from the North Pole, the Bay has iced over, except for the small southeast.
Long resisting the Arctic Ice Pack, Chief Joseph Land is now widely encircled by Arctic Ice Pack, due to 24/7 hours of darkness & a shifting but long enduring vortex, that moved cold Arctic sea water southward to the islands. However, with a vortex near by, a patch of fairly large ocean water has opened up within the encirclement, & has continued for 4 days. During my reports, a vortex has generally led to Arctic Pack Ice advancement. In this case, it appears to be the opposite. Svalbard, also in winter darkness 24/7, is still clear of the Ice Pack, as is Novaya Zemlya,!!!!!!!!!
A detail noted two months ago, is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle Ice Pack, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern?
Days later, near the raggy taggy Ice Pack, 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?) developed, separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. A day later, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water!
Further data, showed that the vortex was true!
The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for 12 weeks & presently anywhere above the 67th parallel, now shrouding the Arctic with darkness for a good portion of the year! The sun is near its farthest position to the south, due to the tilt of the Earth & present orbital position!
PHD

Overton, TX

#19 Dec 21, 2012
The ice melting really really means nothing.

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