Funny thing happened on the way to global warming

May 5, 2013 Full story: Free Republic 19

A funny thing happened on the way to the global warming apocalypse. First, temperatures stopped rising, defying the projections of supposed environmental experts.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#1 May 6, 2013
Amazing how the denialists can recycle rebutted fecal material over and over again isn't it?
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#2 May 6, 2013
But humans release carbon dioxide into the air, too, by burning fossil fuels. This activity has caused the Keeling Curve to creep ever upward since 1958: The lows get a little higher each year, as do the highs.

Because carbon dioxide typically peaks in May, researchers are expecting the Keeling Curve to break a milestone of 400 ppm this year.(If not, the number will almost certainly be reached in May 2014.) As of May 1 of this year, the last day data was available, the Mauna Loa observatory recorded 399.39 ppm of carbon dioxide in the air.

There will be no huge atmospheric or climatic shift once carbon dioxide hits 400 ppm, but the milestone has symbolic significance, said Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University.

"It is a reminder of just how uncontrolled this dangerous experiment we're playing with the planet really is," Mann told LiveScience.

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#3 May 7, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
But humans release carbon dioxide into the air, too, by burning fossil fuels.
Hall mark of our species, we start fires.
SpaceBlues wrote:
This activity has caused the Keeling Curve to creep ever upward since 1958:
That's right CO2 is up 40%
SpaceBlues wrote:
The lows get a little higher each year, as do the highs.
Not always, some decades sea a decline. Temperatures went down 1880 to 1910 and 1945 - 1975
SpaceBlues wrote:
Because carbon dioxide typically peaks in May, researchers are expecting the Keeling Curve to break a milestone of 400 ppm this year.
So what?
SpaceBlues wrote:
(If not, the number will almost certainly be reached in May 2014.) As of May 1 of this year, the last day data was available, the Mauna Loa observatory recorded 399.39 ppm of carbon dioxide in the air.
I am not impressed
SpaceBlues wrote:
There will be no huge atmospheric or climatic shift once carbon dioxide hits 400 ppm, but the milestone has symbolic significance, said Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University.
Who cares what he says.
SpaceBlues wrote:
"It is a reminder of just how uncontrolled this dangerous experiment we're playing with the planet really is," Mann told LiveScience.
What's dangerous is the remedies folks like him propose for what amounts to a non-problem.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#4 May 7, 2013
Steve Case wrote:
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Hall mark of our species, we start fires.
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That's right CO2 is up 40%
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Not always, some decades sea a decline. Temperatures went down 1880 to 1910 and 1945 - 1975
<quoted text>
So what?
<quoted text>
I am not impressed
<quoted text>
Who cares what he says.
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What's dangerous is the remedies folks like him propose for what amounts to a non-problem.
Do you mind caring a ittle?

Carbon dioxide emissions have been altering the climate since the Industrial Revolution, some 200 years ago, though it took us a while to figure that out. NASA scientist James Hansen first warned Congress about the dangers of greenhouse gases in 1988.

But an earlier climate warning came five decades previous, way back in 1938. Thatís when Guy Stewart Callendar, an engineer specializing in steam and power generation, published a paper that theorized that carbon dioxide emissions from industrial activity could have a greenhouse effect. His prescient paper appeared in the quarterly journal of the Royal Meteorological Society.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#5 May 7, 2013
Do you mind caring a little?
Black Cloud

London, UK

#6 May 7, 2013
Let's not overlook this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12422...

Seems we could be heading for another Little Ice Age.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#7 May 7, 2013
Black Cloud wrote:
Let's not overlook this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12422...
Seems we could be heading for another Little Ice Age.
Thanks. Ocean oscillations create our climate in that they absorb the sun's energy and distribute it throughout the system.

When the sun is in a high energy mode it enhances the positive mode of the ocean oscillations and mitigates the negative phase. The PDO, AO, and the MOC were all in positive mode during the high solar activity of the second half of the 20th century. The time period of 'global warming'.

Now the PDO is negative and the AO has returned to it's variable pattern. The MOC is still positive. Our sun has gone into low activity. The negative phase of the oscillations are are not enhanced by low solar activity, but more correctly the negative side will not mitigated by higher activity.

The negative phase of the PDO will produce more La Ninas. Without higher solar activity to mitigate that effect the coming weather will be cooler.
Black Cloud

London, UK

#8 May 7, 2013
Fun Facts, have a look at the other side of the coin

http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/astrometr/index...
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#9 May 7, 2013
Black Cloud wrote:
Fun Facts, have a look at the other side of the coin
http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/astrometr/index...
Don't have time to read it all, but I did scan it and his predictions for cycle 24 was spot on. He predicted 65+/- acutal was 66.9 Feb 2012.

Solar energy and the oceans make climate.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#11 May 7, 2013
Black Cloud wrote:
Fun Facts, have a look at the other side of the coin
http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/astrometr/index...
Same sh*t, different day.

The 200 year cycle in solar cycle intensity is well understood and not significant enough to explain even 20% of AGW, even if we didn't know that it was being offset by increases in sulphate aerosols (with about the same effect opposing).

Nor can any scientist REALISTICALLY deny the enhanced greenhouse effect as in your first post. The greenhouse effect changes are confirmed by hundreds of separate studies. Each showing the expected effect of an increased 'blanket' in the atmosphere, from cooling of the stratosphere from reduced IR radiation to changes in distribution of heat in the atmosphere to weakening of the jet streams, etc.

Natural cycles may 'tweak' the year to year effect on climate but overall they cannot counter the LARGE changes from GHGs.

The denialist camp has been forced by the weakness of it's arguments to post molehills and try to make them seem like mountains.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#12 May 7, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Same sh*t, different day.
The 200 year cycle in solar cycle intensity is well understood and not significant enough to explain even 20% of AGW, even if we didn't know that it was being offset by increases in sulphate aerosols (with about the same effect opposing).
Nor can any scientist REALISTICALLY deny the enhanced greenhouse effect as in your first post. The greenhouse effect changes are confirmed by hundreds of separate studies. Each showing the expected effect of an increased 'blanket' in the atmosphere, from cooling of the stratosphere from reduced IR radiation to changes in distribution of heat in the atmosphere to weakening of the jet streams, etc.
Natural cycles may 'tweak' the year to year effect on climate but overall they cannot counter the LARGE changes from GHGs.
The denialist camp has been forced by the weakness of it's arguments to post molehills and try to make them seem like mountains.
We'll see.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#13 May 7, 2013
The new tactic of the desperate deniers, "we'll see." We know by science what's ahead.

But humans release carbon dioxide into the air, too, by burning fossil fuels. This activity has caused the Keeling Curve to creep ever upward since 1958: The lows get a little higher each year, as do the highs.

Because carbon dioxide typically peaks in May, researchers are expecting the Keeling Curve to break a milestone of 400 ppm this year.(If not, the number will almost certainly be reached in May 2014.) As of May 1 of this year, the last day data was available, the Mauna Loa observatory recorded 399.39 ppm of carbon dioxide in the air.

There will be no huge atmospheric or climatic shift once carbon dioxide hits 400 ppm, but the milestone has symbolic significance, said Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Pennsylvania State University.

"It is a reminder of just how uncontrolled this dangerous experiment we're playing with the planet really is," Mann told LiveScience.

Carbon dioxide emissions have been altering the climate since the Industrial Revolution, some 200 years ago, though it took us a while to figure that out. NASA scientist James Hansen first warned Congress about the dangers of greenhouse gases in 1988.

But an earlier climate warning came five decades previous, way back in 1938. Thatís when Guy Stewart Callendar, an engineer specializing in steam and power generation, published a paper that theorized that carbon dioxide emissions from industrial activity could have a greenhouse effect. His prescient paper appeared in the quarterly journal of the Royal Meteorological Society.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#14 May 7, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Amazing how the denialists can recycle rebutted fecal material over and over again isn't it?
Remember when dirtling said he pooped on my head, while he was at 30,000 foot altitude. As the liar that it is, dirtling's aim was not good & he pooped on other toxic topix AGW deniers.

Is dirtling's fecal material being recycled, then?
litesong

Monroe, WA

#15 May 7, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Do you(steve's case of the itch) mind caring a ittle?
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SpaceBlues wrote:
Do you mind caring a little?
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litesong wrote:
If 'ittle' means less than 'little', I hope 'steve's case of the itch' would at least care a 'ittle'.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#16 May 7, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
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Solar energy and the oceans make climate.
How many times you were corrected for this.

Have you heard of global seasons? Regardless, off topic but this is about climate change:

The Earthís climate is influenced by many factors, mainly by the amount of energy coming from the sun, but also by factors such as the amount of greenhouse gases and aerosols in the atmosphere, and the properties of the Earthís surface, which determine how much of this solar energy is retained or reflected back to space.

The atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N2O) have significantly increased since the beginning of the industrial revolution. This is mainly due to human activities, such as the burning of fossil fuels, land use change, and agriculture.

Overall, human activities since 1750 have had a global warming effect on the Earth.

You should give it up, ff. Join the other deniers like kal, tina, gored, et al.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#17 May 8, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>How many times you were corrected for this.
Have you heard of global seasons? Regardless, off topic but this is about climate change:
The Earthís climate is influenced by many factors, mainly by the amount of energy coming from the sun, but also by factors such as the amount of greenhouse gases and aerosols in the atmosphere, and the properties of the Earthís surface, which determine how much of this solar energy is retained or reflected back to space.
The atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N2O) have significantly increased since the beginning of the industrial revolution. This is mainly due to human activities, such as the burning of fossil fuels, land use change, and agriculture.
Overall, human activities since 1750 have had a global warming effect on the Earth.
You should give it up, ff. Join the other deniers like kal, tina, gored, et al.
We'll see.

I have actually read this stuff, we're in for some cooling. This is not good news, but it's the future.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#18 May 8, 2013
fun farts wrote:
..... we're in for some cooling. This is not good news, but it's the future.
Cooling should already to started(according to 'fun farts').

If the TSI retreats lower than the sun of the 20th century, cooling of the 1800's should be coming..... according to 'fun farts'. Since the excess cooling in the sun began at the beginning of the 21st century(according to 'fun farts' & most other toxic topix AGW deniers), the Earth should be cooling now, not the warming effects we observe now.
Fun Facts

Las Cruces, NM

#19 May 8, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Cooling should already to started(according to 'fun farts').
If the TSI retreats lower than the sun of the 20th century, cooling of the 1800's should be coming..... according to 'fun farts'. Since the excess cooling in the sun began at the beginning of the 21st century(according to 'fun farts' & most other toxic topix AGW deniers), the Earth should be cooling now, not the warming effects we observe now.
The cooling is right on schedule. Well maybe off by a year. I have been posting for years now that the climate change would be evident by 2012. Temps have been flat for the last 10 years.

What happened 10 years ago, we went into a solar minimum, maybe the beginning of a solar minima.

Most often cited lag time between solar energy and climate impact, 10 years.

This is the grand experiment. CO2 is increasing, solar energy is decreasing. Which will have the greater impact on temperatures.

We'll see.
SpaceBlues

Pasadena, TX

#20 May 8, 2013
How stupid! The man-made GHGs are changing more than the global climate. For example, the acidification of the oceans of life.

ff never admits the evil doings of fossil fuels burning.

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