Hot button: GOP candidates knock global warming

Aug 18, 2010 Full story: Politico 46

Fueled by anti-Obama rhetoric and news articles purportedly showing scientists manipulating their own data, Republicans running for the House, Senate and governor's mansions have gotten bolder in stating their doubts over the well-established link between man-made greenhouse gas emissions and global warming.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Orangeville, Canada

#1 Aug 18, 2010
Good. Give the votes a good look at who these losers REALLY represent. The fat cats and the oil interests. Should separate the progressives from the regressives. In a rough economy, putting the squeeze on the middle and lower classes won't sell so they have to promote their 'negative' position on change.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#2 Aug 18, 2010
Of course. When one's entire political party runs on money from those who simply want to guzzle more oil, even invading other nations to get it, should we be shocked to see these whor--I mean campaign beneficiaries--roll over and offer their masters their other sides as well?

As they say at the Kennedy School of Government, this is merely a dirty sanchez with a microphone involved.
Teeseeree

Sunnyvale, CA

#3 Aug 18, 2010
Global warming has been scientifically shot down over and over. Every test of the ice caps has shown them to be thicker and wider than ever. And records over history show clearly that there has been no significant warming since the early 1900s, and even then, very little. The earth is much too hardy for mere people to destroy it and mere people will not save it either. It is beyond our control, just as the creation of all things is beyond our control. People are not God, and never will be.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orangeville, Canada

#4 Aug 19, 2010
Teeseeree wrote:
Global warming has been scientifically shot down over and over.
Not even close.
http://www.logicalscience.com/consensus/conse...
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/...
Teeseeree wrote:
Every test of the ice caps has shown them to be thicker and wider than ever.
Not. The ice caps on Antarctica and Greenland are losing mass according to the science. The arctic sea ice is clearly melting (and winter sea ice is not part of the 'ice caps'.) The Antarctic sea ice has a temporary increase during deep winter but no increase in summer ice, and research indicates that this is a temporary feature due to lower salinity and higher snowfall. A feature that will not last long.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/08/ant...
Teeseeree wrote:
And records over history show clearly that there has been no significant warming since the early 1900s, and even then, very little.
Total crap. The science shows a steady increase in both meteorologoy data and ocean/land trends. Some short term 'noise' in the meteorology but the scientists understand the 'variability' of the land+ocean to air thermal transfer and correct for it.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/anomalies.ht...
Teeseeree wrote:
The earth is much too hardy for mere people to destroy it and mere people will not save it either. It is beyond our control, just as the creation of all things is beyond our control. People are not God, and never will be.
This is just hand waving and total irresposibility. Nor does anyone claim to 'control' climate. The point is that we AFFECT climate and we CAN moderate our influence.

Since: Feb 07

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#5 Aug 19, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Good. Give the votes a good look at who these losers REALLY represent. The fat cats and the oil interests. Should separate the progressives from the regressives. In a rough economy, putting the squeeze on the middle and lower classes won't sell so they have to promote their 'negative' position on change.
It wouldn't have anything to do with the economy still in the tank from all those wonderful "progressive" policies. nah!
Northie

Spokane, WA

#6 Aug 19, 2010
kookboy wrote:
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It wouldn't have anything to do with the economy still in the tank from all those wonderful "progressive" policies. nah!
I don't suppose it may have something to do with the fact that inflation-adjusted median wages have steadily fallen since 1975, after doubling each of the two previous generations, could it?

Easing the pain with ever-cheaper credit could only last as long as credit was ever-cheaper.
Enigma

Columbia, MD

#7 Aug 19, 2010
I am concerned that many powerful/elite people here in the U.S. and all over this earth are talking about depopulation in regards to global warming.

Like this video and many others:
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What exactly are they saying and why are the conspiracy theorist discussing about the NWO thing which I have heard many presidents, including Obama, talking about.
Enigma

Columbia, MD

#8 Aug 19, 2010
Enigma

Columbia, MD

#9 Aug 19, 2010
Sorry, the link did not post before.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orangeville, Canada

#10 Aug 19, 2010
kookboy wrote:
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It wouldn't have anything to do with the economy still in the tank from all those wonderful "progressive" policies. nah!
Two wars and eliminating government oversight on financial instruments while eliminating government income (tax rates on the rich) is progressive????

WGB was a true regressive, not only in his promotion of wild spending for warfare but in eliminating the means to pay for it. The financial collapse, was, of course just 'collateral damage' of his regressive politics.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orangeville, Canada

#11 Aug 19, 2010
Northie wrote:
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I don't suppose it may have something to do with the fact that inflation-adjusted median wages have steadily fallen since 1975, after doubling each of the two previous generations, could it?
Easing the pain with ever-cheaper credit could only last as long as credit was ever-cheaper.
The pinch on the middle and lower class meant that only low interest rates could keep the 'consumer' consuming. But that requires going into debt to get those dollars to keep going while sinking. The 'housing bubble' was just part of that to stimulate purchases to outfit the homes. Now we are ALMOST out of room for more 'stimulus' as debt loads soar and the housing market affordability becomes restricted.

Collapse of this 'house of cards' is just a matter of time unless the business climate moves to investments that will pay off like clean sustainable energy instead of stealing money from each other at Goldman Sachs, etc. And wages have to start going up instead of being delivered to China and Indonesia..

Otherwise a Depression is inevitable to correct the situation and start a new cycle.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#12 Aug 19, 2010
global warming? What Global Warming
it has all been proven to be just an Al rapist Gore lie and falsehood.

Its a liberals wetdream to make you drive small vehicles that arent even made here.
Liberals are Globalists and this just furthers their agenda.

Ever wonder why nothing is made in the USA anymore?

Liberals have put tobacco farmers out of work, Regular Farmers out of work, They wont lower tax to do buisiness here in america, what to do anyway with oil drilling and coal minning, They are pushing an agenda "Communism" in America that just wont work..Period

Look at Spain and Green jobs...its a complete and utter failure

Since: Feb 07

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#13 Aug 19, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Two wars and eliminating government oversight on financial instruments while eliminating government income (tax rates on the rich) is progressive????
WGB was a true regressive, not only in his promotion of wild spending for warfare but in eliminating the means to pay for it. The financial collapse, was, of course just 'collateral damage' of his regressive politics.
I assume you mean GWB and last I checked he was no longer in the White House for going on two years.

Since: Feb 07

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#14 Aug 19, 2010
Northie wrote:
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I don't suppose it may have something to do with the fact that inflation-adjusted median wages have steadily fallen since 1975, after doubling each of the two previous generations, could it?
Easing the pain with ever-cheaper credit could only last as long as credit was ever-cheaper.
No it hasn't. It has fallen in the last couple of years. There has been no steady decline since 1975.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#15 Aug 20, 2010
kookboy wrote:
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No it hasn't. It has fallen in the last couple of years. There has been no steady decline since 1975.
Wrong again. Is ignorance your specialty, Kook? I'm too lazy to do all your research for you, but here is a good look at real (that is, inflation-adjusted) median wages in the US over the past five decades. Note the peak in 1973 and the fall ever since. If this table showed a longer time span, you'd also see that real wages had doubled each generation before, and probably doubled each generation before that, before records were kept. You'd also see that real wages have continued to fall since this table was created in 2004.

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Ben... +(1964-2004)

The country is in the shit primarily because wages have fallen so far and so steadily over the past 36 years. The concurrent decline in interest rates eased the pain, as rates steadily declined from about 20% in 1981 to zero today, allowing people and businesses to feel flush by repeatedly borrowing and refinancing, but those days are now done. Rates won't drop below zero. Now we'll pay for nearly forty years of ignoring median wages.
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#16 Aug 20, 2010
Northie wrote:
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I don't suppose it may have something to do with the fact that inflation-adjusted median wages have steadily fallen since 1975, after doubling each of the two previous generations, could it?
Easing the pain with ever-cheaper credit could only last as long as credit was ever-cheaper.
Wasn't that arround when the environmental movement took off, restrictions on auto emmisions started taking effect, wthe US stopped building new nuclear power plants, we banned ofshore oil exploration...

Imagine that, do you think they understood the economic impacts when they made those decisions?

Since: Feb 07

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#17 Aug 20, 2010
Northie wrote:
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Wrong again. Is ignorance your specialty, Kook? I'm too lazy to do all your research for you, but here is a good look at real (that is, inflation-adjusted) median wages in the US over the past five decades. Note the peak in 1973 and the fall ever since. If this table showed a longer time span, you'd also see that real wages had doubled each generation before, and probably doubled each generation before that, before records were kept. You'd also see that real wages have continued to fall since this table was created in 2004.
http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Ben... +(1964-2004)
The country is in the shit primarily because wages have fallen so far and so steadily over the past 36 years. The concurrent decline in interest rates eased the pain, as rates steadily declined from about 20% in 1981 to zero today, allowing people and businesses to feel flush by repeatedly borrowing and refinancing, but those days are now done. Rates won't drop below zero. Now we'll pay for nearly forty years of ignoring median wages.
Oh, Norfie! This is what happens when you immerse yourself in liberal propoganda. Your link doesn't work but, come on, using a liberal blog as a source? I guess it should be expected from you. How about you use something called the US Census Bureau? Here is a report from 2005. See page 11. Real income did continue to rise past this and dropped in the last couple of years.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p60-231.p...
Northie

Spokane, WA

#18 Aug 20, 2010
kookboy wrote:
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Oh, Norfie! This is what happens when you immerse yourself in liberal propoganda. Your link doesn't work but, come on, using a liberal blog as a source? I guess it should be expected from you. How about you use something called the US Census Bureau? Here is a report from 2005. See page 11. Real income did continue to rise past this and dropped in the last couple of years.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p60-231.p...
Sorry, the Census tracks household income, not individual wages. HHI has risen only because more American women now work, and both women and men work longer hours. Meanwhile, inflation-adjusted wages have declined.

To get that info you'd have to go to the BLS or the Federal Reserve. Lucky for you, here is a report on this very subject from the Fed (note the second chart, showing the long decline in wages since 1973):

http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2005/1...
Northie

Spokane, WA

#19 Aug 20, 2010
YouHelpFixIt wrote:
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Wasn't that arround when the environmental movement took off, restrictions on auto emmisions started taking effect, wthe US stopped building new nuclear power plants, we banned ofshore oil exploration...
Imagine that, do you think they understood the economic impacts when they made those decisions?
You blame the decline in US wages on environmental regulations? That's a laugh. The facts are far simpler: technology allows each new generation of companies to employ far fewer workers, while also replacing expensive American workers with cheap Chinese or Mexican ones. The net result is rising prosperity for large shareholders while everyone else is cut out of the loop.

Lest I sound Luddite, some of the prosperity is shared, of course; it just happens to be shared with workers in China and other poor nations, not workers here. Yet even those workers are being cut out as automation marches on. For example, India is one of the fastest automating nations on Earth, despite its enormous labor surplus. This will become a very large global challenge before long. My prediction: an inexorable trend towards massive socialism, but a slow one.

Since: Feb 07

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#20 Aug 20, 2010
Northie wrote:
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Sorry, the Census tracks household income, not individual wages. HHI has risen only because more American women now work, and both women and men work longer hours. Meanwhile, inflation-adjusted wages have declined.
To get that info you'd have to go to the BLS or the Federal Reserve. Lucky for you, here is a report on this very subject from the Fed (note the second chart, showing the long decline in wages since 1973):
http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2005/1...
Do you ever read what you link too? Or do you just find them on the liberal blogs. First, this is not a report but a blog. You do know what that is, correct? It offers commentary and yes they are from ecnomists in this case but still not a "report from the fed". That being said it does not say what you think it does. You should read the entire thing.

And I quote "What's going on here? I'd argue the problem is that hourly wages or earnings are an inadequate measure of labor compensation, primarily because they exclude nonwage forms of compensation -- health care benefits, employers' share of social security contributions, and the like. These forms of compensation are an increasingly important part of what workers receive from employers in exchange for the sweat of their brows. Here's the record on total real compensation (in the nonfarm business sector):"

And then look at the third graph down.

Along with what this blogger states many employers also have a bonus system or "pay for company performance" of some type which also does not get included in normal wages. Most of us do not work for a hourly wage any more.

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