Correction: Climate-Temperature Spike story

Mar 8, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Washington Examiner

In a story March 7 about research showing how the world has warmed dramatically, The Associated Press erroneously reported what one scientist said.

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BIGGEE: The earth is hotter today than it has been for nearly all of the last 11,000 years, scientists have found, in a study that adds confirmation that human activity is causing the warming.

Previous research had only tracked the last 1,500 years, so the new research is important because it establishes a much larger context for recent global warming.

What that context shows is that the rate of warming "over the past 150 years is much greater than anything we saw in the past 11,000 years," according to Shaun Marcott, a paleoclimatologist and the lead investigator on the research, published in Science.

That "points to human activity as the cause, because the suddenness of the shift in temperature appears to be out of whack with long-term trends," as the Wall Street Journal concedes.

The findings are based on measurements taken from marine fossils, ice cores, and marine organisms.

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/4978-earth-...
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MORE: "This paper throws down the gauntlet by showing that Earth is on its way to being warmer," said David M. Anderson, who heads the paleoclimatology program at the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and who wasn't involved in the study. "By 2100, it will be a heck of a lot warmer than it was 11,000 years ago."

The insights that can be gained by studying ancient temperature trends are limited, however.

"It's a weakness to look at the world 11,000 years ago, because those were sunlight-driven changes and not CO2-driven changes," Dr. Anderson said. Sunlight-related changes are gradual and vary across different parts of the globe; greenhouse-gas emissions trigger warming everywhere.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788...
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"We have, through human emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases, indefinitely delayed the onset of the next ice age and are now heading into an unknown future where humans control the thermostat of the planet," said Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist at Texas Tech University, responding in an email.

The reason the globe warmed after the ice age and then started cooling about 6,000 years ago has to do with the tilt of the Earth and its distance from the sun, said Marcott and Severinghaus.

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From the article referenced.

What would serious steps entail?

According to the Meinshausen paper, up to 80 per cent of our known reserve of fossil fuels will have to stay in the ground.

“The carbon budget implied by the 2 C limit,” Jaccard wrote,“means that we cannot be making new investments that expand the carbon polluting infrastructure.

“This means no expansion of oilsands, no new pipelines (like Keystone and Northern Gateway) and no expansion of coal mines and coal ports.

“This does not mean shutting down the oilsands. It does not mean shutting coal mines. These will continue to operate for decades. But you cannot be expanding carbon polluting production and also prevent 2 C or even 4 C temperature increase. The industry knows this, but prefers its ads telling us about the jobs and revenue from expanding the polluting infrastructure.”

But the remedies needed, Rees suggested, might have to be even more draconian than that.

“Even the International Energy Agency and the World Bank have recently conceded that even if present agreed-upon policies were implemented, the world is likely headed to four Celsius degrees warming by the end of the century. This would render much of the most heavily populated parts of the earth uninhabitable ...”

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I looked for one temperature reconstruction to support the above study's finding that the first decade of the 20th century was as cold or colder than the majority of the holocene.

Did the Thames freeze over in the first decade of the 20th century the way it did during the LIA? No the last ice fair was in 1814.

http://www.google.com/search...

But that was England, how about New Zealand, it's on the 'other side'. Nothing unusal about the first decade of the 20th century here.

http://briefingroom.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c...


GHCN doesn't agree.

http://www.google.com/search...

I've looked, I can't find a single study that supports that statement.
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From the article

"Marcott's data indicates that it took 4,000 years for the world to warm about 1.25 degrees from the end of the ice age to about 7,000 years ago. The same fossil-based data suggest a similar level of warming occurring in just one generation: from the 1920s to the 1940s. Actual thermometer records don't show the rise from the 1920s to the 1940s was quite that big and Marcott said for such recent time periods it is better to use actual thermometer readings than his proxies."

If his proxies do not agree with actual temperature readings where actual temperatures are available, why would the portion of the study that cannot be compared to actual temperature records be reliable?

Would this be the 'science fiction'?
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fun farts wrote:
Did the Thames freeze over in the first decade of the 20th century the way it did during the LIA? No the last ice fair was in 1814.
My grandparents used to winter skate on our lakes, consistently in the early 20th century. & the rivers used to ice over completely. Now-days, if any ice appears, kids are drowned & killed, going out on the thin ice that breaks. Fortunately, even thin ice winters are getting ever rarer.

Oh, yeah. We're about 3-4 degrees latitude south of London, here in Northwest U.S.
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They really don't know.
Yes, they actually do. Could you make your denial just a little more obvious?

This is another common bit of BS in the bottomless bag of denier BS - Claim that everything is just too complex to ever understand anything.

Forget (if you ever knew) that statistical methods are used and error bars published. In the case of GW, for yesrs it's been statistically impossible that it's not warming and statistically impossible that it could be caused by any other forcing factor.

And CO2 PERFECTLY explains the warming. Here's some things that we actually KNOW, nutter:

The top of the atmosphere is cooling, PRECISELY as predicted by GHG theory.

Humans produce ~100 times as much CO2 as volcanism.

CO2 concentration is increasing ~100 times faster than any time in the 800,000 yr historical record.

Any honest, rational person that didn't sleep through junior high science can connect the dots.

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I looked for one temperature reconstruction to support the above study's finding that the first decade of the 20th century was as cold or colder than the majority of the holocene.
Did the Thames freeze over in the first decade of the 20th century the way it did during the LIA? No the last ice fair was in 1814.
...old London Bridge was demolished in 1831[12][13][14] and replaced with a new bridge with wider arches, allowing the tide to flow more freely;[15] additionally, the river was embanked in stages during the 19th century, which also made the river less likely to freeze.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_fro...

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Fun Facts wrote:
From the article
"Marcott's data indicates that it took 4,000 years for the world to warm about 1.25 degrees from the end of the ice age to about 7,000 years ago. The same fossil-based data suggest a similar level of warming occurring in just one generation: from the 1920s to the 1940s. Actual thermometer records don't show the rise from the 1920s to the 1940s was quite that big and Marcott said for such recent time periods it is better to use actual thermometer readings than his proxies."
If his proxies do not agree with actual temperature readings where actual temperatures are available, why would the portion of the study that cannot be compared to actual temperature records be reliable?
So if the proxies have exaggerated recent warming, they might have exaggerated past warming?

So it's now even warmer than in the past?

Doh!
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Kyle wrote:
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Yes, they actually do. Could you make your denial just a little more obvious?
This is another common bit of BS in the bottomless bag of denier BS - Claim that everything is just too complex to ever understand anything.
Forget (if you ever knew) that statistical methods are used and error bars published. In the case of GW, for yesrs it's been statistically impossible that it's not warming and statistically impossible that it could be caused by any other forcing factor.
And CO2 PERFECTLY explains the warming. Here's some things that we actually KNOW, nutter:
The top of the atmosphere is cooling, PRECISELY as predicted by GHG theory.
Humans produce ~100 times as much CO2 as volcanism.
CO2 concentration is increasing ~100 times faster than any time in the 800,000 yr historical record.
Any honest, rational person that didn't sleep through junior high science can connect the dots.
You made another DUMB ASSumption of your---self. Shut your pie hole you loser.
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PHD wrote:
<quoted text>You made another DUMB ASSumption of your---self.
No, nutter, I posted science that you undoubtedly know to be true; thus you made no attempt whatsoever to address it.
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Shut your pie hole you loser.
Not only can you produce no science whatsoever to support your position, your response to science - which, of course, supports my position - is to act like a four year old throwing a tantrum.

I accept your complete and permanent concession. Don't dare post your idiocy again.
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Absorption of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere into the ocean waters has increased to about 100 times what it was 600 years ago, Green [professor of marine science Mark Green, whose work at St. Joseph's College in Standish has focused exclusively on ocean acidification] said. On average, ocean carbon dioxide levels are up 30 percent, most of it absorbed in the past 50 years. Exacerbating the problem is runoff from rivers polluted by fertilizer and soil erosion, and millions of tons of untreated sewage pumped into coastal waters, including Casco Bay.

http://www.kjonline.com/news/changing-climate...
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Kyle wrote:
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No, nutter, I posted science that you undoubtedly know to be true; thus you made no attempt whatsoever to address it.
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Not only can you produce no science whatsoever to support your position, your response to science - which, of course, supports my position - is to act like a four year old throwing a tantrum.
I accept your complete and permanent concession. Don't dare post your idiocy again.
No dumb ASSumption of your ---self again and again. My position is real science not scientific science fiction that you boast about. Maybe you should seek a refund form that pay for profit school you attended. Actually you probably need to pay them more money to reeducate you for wasting their time.
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fetid feces face flip flopper fiend wrote:
No dumb ........
I never tire telling the true traits of "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend". It lied saying it had a PHD. It isn't a doctor, while it diagnoses wrongly. It has no science & mathematics degrees. It has no upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc for its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa(if it has that).

However, "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" IS a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND alleged & proud threatener supporter & is such. "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" hates dirtling because dirtling was a worse slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND alleged & proud threatener, and "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" was jealous.
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PHD wrote:
<quoted text>No dumb ASSumption of your ---self again and again. My position is real science not scientific science fiction that you boast about. Maybe you should seek a refund form that pay for profit school you attended. Actually you probably need to pay them more money to reeducate you for wasting their time.
All that desperate tap dancing to obscure the matter at hand:

"My position is real science ...."

One more time tor the hard-of-thinking:

T-H-E-N L-E-T'S S-E-E T-H-E S-C-I-E-N-C-E, Y-O-U M-O-R-O-N.

Do you have any idea what it looks like? Hmmm?
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Kyle wrote:
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All that desperate tap dancing to obscure the matter at hand:
"My position is real science ...."
One more time tor the hard-of-thinking:
T-H-E-N L-E-T'S S-E-E T-H-E S-C-I-E-N-C-E, Y-O-U M-O-R-O-N.
Do you have any idea what it looks like? Hmmm?
No dumb ASSumption of your ---self again and again. My position is real science not scientific science fiction that you boast about. Maybe you should seek a refund form that pay for profit school you attended. Actually you probably need to pay them more money to reeducate you for wasting their time.
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fetid feces face flip flopper fiend wrote:
My position is real science ..... shut your pie hole and go away.
"fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" tunes toward its best toxic topix AGW denier mentality, which is immorality, non-education, & suppression of AGW advocates.

I never tire telling the true traits of "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend". It lied saying it had a PHD. It isn't a doctor, while it diagnoses wrongly. It has no science & mathematics degrees. It has no upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc for its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa(if it has that).

However, "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" IS a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND alleged & proud threatener supporter & is such. "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" hates dirtling because dirtling was a worse slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND alleged & proud threatener, and "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" was jealous.
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More diarrheas from the "pinheadlitesout.
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'fetid feces face flip flopper fiend' flopped:
More diarrhea.....
My position is real science ..... shut your pie hole and go away.
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litesong wrote:
"fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" tunes toward its best toxic topix AGW denier mentality, which is immorality, non-education, & suppression of AGW advocates.

I never tire telling the true traits of "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend". It lied saying it had a PHD. It isn't a doctor, while it diagnoses wrongly. It has no science & mathematics degrees. It has no upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc for its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa(if it has that).

However, "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" IS a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND alleged & proud threatener supporter & is such. "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" hates dirtling because dirtling was a worse slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND alleged & proud threatener, and "fetid feces face flip flopper fiend" was jealous.

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