Rise in sea level can't be stopped: s...

Rise in sea level can't be stopped: scientists

There are 110 comments on the The Republic story from Jul 1, 2012, titled Rise in sea level can't be stopped: scientists. In it, The Republic reports that:

Rising sea levels cannot be stopped over the next several hundred years, even if deep emissions cuts lower global average temperatures, but they can be slowed down, climate scientists said in a study on Sunday.

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#21 Jul 20, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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I needed the number for a model I was writing when our alarmist friend were busy claiming that Greenland's melting ice sheet was going to flood NYC up to the second floor. All the models at the time ignored the gradient which is a major factor. It turns out for every unit of increase you need 2.4 time the volume of water than for the previous unit.
Assume for example that the land masses had vertical shores and the ocean did not spread out when it rose. Assume three inches rise due to melting ice and thermal expansion. Lower the land masses to below sea level assuming that there is no change in the sea floor. The water will rush in to fill all the land masses lowering the ocean as it does so. How much will the ocean level fall?

Take an example where the ocean rises three inches without incroaching on the land (vertical shorelines). Now assume that all the land areas fall below sealevel. Since the ocean is about 2/3 of the surface area of the earth, we would see the ocean level fall about a third. In other words, instead of rising three inches, the ocean would rise only 2 inches. That is the worst case scenario. Since the shorelines slope, the sea level rise would be affected a lesser amount until all the land masses are covered.
It would not take 2.4 times as much volume, it would take 1.5 for the worst case scenario. Much less otherwise.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#22 Jul 20, 2012
DumBozo wrote:
Assume[,] for example[,] that the land masses had vertical shores and the ocean did not spread out when it rose.
Grammar, grandpaw.
DumBozo wrote:
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#23 Jul 20, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Grammar, grandpaw.<quoted text>
I assume that is all you understood from my post.

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Since: Oct 10

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#24 Jul 20, 2012
DumBozo wrote:
I assume that is all you understood from my post.
Whatever you say, grandpaw, just as long as it makes you feel all warm and tingly inside.

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#25 Jul 20, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever you say, grandpaw, just as long as it makes you feel all warm and tingly inside.
I understand, it is a little too deep (pun intended) for you to understand.

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#26 Jul 21, 2012
DumBozo wrote:
I understand, it is a little too deep (pun intended) for you to understand.
If nothing else, at least your grammar appears to be improving, grandpaw.

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#27 Jul 21, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>If nothing else, at least your grammar appears to be improving, grandpaw.
Too bad that your science comprehension is still lagging.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#28 Jul 21, 2012
DumBozo wrote:
Too bad that your science comprehension is still lagging.
What else would you expect, I wasn't paid to do science, that's how I managed to retire myself at age 47, grandpaw?
All being well, I'll record my 25th year of retirement in March 2013.
Lucky for some.
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“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#29 Jul 21, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>So I should be safe for a while, at 500 metres AMSL?
Only for a eon or two. Of course by that time you will need to worry about that huge sheet of ice creeping up on your casa.

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Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#30 Jul 21, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Assume for example that the land masses had vertical shores and the ocean did not spread out when it rose. Assume three inches rise due to melting ice and thermal expansion. Lower the land masses to below sea level assuming that there is no change in the sea floor. The water will rush in to fill all the land masses lowering the ocean as it does so. How much will the ocean level fall?
Take an example where the ocean rises three inches without incroaching on the land (vertical shorelines). Now assume that all the land areas fall below sealevel. Since the ocean is about 2/3 of the surface area of the earth, we would see the ocean level fall about a third. In other words, instead of rising three inches, the ocean would rise only 2 inches. That is the worst case scenario. Since the shorelines slope, the sea level rise would be affected a lesser amount until all the land masses are covered.
It would not take 2.4 times as much volume, it would take 1.5 for the worst case scenario. Much less otherwise.
Depends on the elevation of the land mass. If the land is completely flat then the area of the land to be covered.

It is all a matter of volume. Of course you are relying on alot of assumptions. Assumption that your land is going to have land surronded with vertical shores and that land can rise or fall. That thermal expansion will expand enough which means that you need to heat all the water underneath the uppermost layer or you are not going to enough thermal expansion to make any difference. Same goes with your ice melting. Greenland dosn't have enough water in that ice sheet to generate a tenth of an inch.

That has always been one of the problems with all the claims of rising oceans flooding the land. Coming up with all the water needed. First they were claiming the Artic Ice Cap back in 06, then Greenland Ice Sheet. Then it was thermal expansion after it was discovered that Greenland just didn't have the ice to make a difference. Now they have to add Antartic to all it and even then it is hardly enough.

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#31 Jul 21, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>What else would you expect, I wasn't paid to do science, that's how I managed to retire myself at age 47, grandpaw?
All being well, I'll record my 25th year of retirement in March 2013.
Lucky for some.
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So you dropped out 24 years ago. Life must be pretty boring for you. What do you do besides post on Topix?

I understand. No science background but you know that global warming isn't caused by CO2.

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Since: Oct 10

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#32 Jul 21, 2012
tina anne wrote:
Only for a eon or two. Of course by that time you will need to worry about that huge sheet of ice creeping up on your casa.
I don't thnk me or this old mud hut will be too worried about climate cooking or ice sheets.

PS: Please tell Bozo he's wasting his time trying to bait me with cheap shots.

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#33 Jul 22, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't thnk me or this old mud hut will be too worried about climate cooking or ice sheets.
PS: Please tell Bozo he's wasting his time trying to bait me with cheap shots.
Cat got your tongue, old timer? I do usually read your posts. Mostly for laughs but they do get a little boring. You need to find some topic that you have a little background in.

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Since: Oct 10

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#34 Jul 22, 2012
Sea level has been rising since the last ice age ended and can't be stopped until this interglacial ends, by which time, human society, if it still exists, will look very different.

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Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#35 Jul 23, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't thnk me or this old mud hut will be too worried about climate cooking or ice sheets.
PS: Please tell Bozo he's wasting his time trying to bait me with cheap shots.
What makes you think he would listen to me or anyone else telling him the truth.
PHD

Houston, TX

#36 Jul 23, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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What makes you think he would listen to me or anyone else telling him the truth.
Same less than box of rocks response. No one would listen to you LESS THAN A BOX OF ROCKS.WIND MILLS RULE AGAIN!!!!

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#37 Jul 23, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Sea level has been rising since the last ice age ended and can't be stopped until this interglacial ends, by which time, human society, if it still exists, will look very different.
Yes, and the guys on the other side never tire of running this graph to imply that it's all caused by anthropogenic emissions of CO2:
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/files/2012_rel3/...

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#38 Jul 23, 2012
Steve Case wrote:
Yes, and the guys on the other side never tire of running this graph to imply that it's all caused by anthropogenic emissions of CO2:
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/files/2012_rel3/...
Everyone living now will be dead before that graph turns into a Hokey Schstick shape, IF it ever does, which is highly unlikely.
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litesong

Everett, WA

#39 Jul 24, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
Bozo he's wasting his time trying to bait me with cheap shots.
But "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" really rises to the bait & becomes ever more chronically racist(even becoming a caricature of himself), when I state accurately that "steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.

Instead of understanding & rejecting his racist being, his strategy is to embrace his sins & hug them tighter. He practices in his retirement how to be all the more racist, hoping that I will tire of delineating his racist center.

It is so important to understand that large percentages of AGW deniers are slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigs. Their corporate lack of education, incredible ego & desire to direct racist hatred, makes victims of many people.

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Since: Oct 10

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#40 Jul 24, 2012
I'd like to believe that other posters award litesout pretty judgement icons, but it's too obvious they're self inflicted.

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