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Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling

There are 73 comments on the Free Republic story from Feb 3, 2013, titled Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling. In it, Free Republic reports that:

Climate change itself is already in the process of definitively rebutting climate alarmists who think human use of fossil fuels is causing ultimately catastrophic global warming.

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SpaceBlues

United States

#1 Feb 3, 2013
Yeah, what's melting the glaciers and ice is Earth cooling. NOT.

But deniers don't care for the truth. They just lie for their financial interest.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#2 Feb 3, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Yeah, what's melting the glaciers and ice is Earth cooling. NOT.
But deniers don't care for the truth. They just lie for their financial interest.
In the 1980's, yearly Arctic sea ice VOLUME, built up by the North Pole being in darkness for 6 months, would melt ~50+% by the September summer low sea ice VOLUMES. However, the AGW warmed Arctic biosphere now thins the ices over the decades & Arctic sea ice VOLUME, in September 2012, REDUCED BY 84% FROM MARCH, 2012 HIGHS. Arctic sea ice VOLUMES are reduced not only by area, but by extreme thinning of ices. In very possibly 3 to 5 years, such thinning could occur that a major late summer Arctic storm, might shove & fold up the thin ice into a southern solar heated Arctic sea against an Arctic landform. Possibly 1 to 2 million square kilometers of Arctic sea ice could fold up, melt & disappear.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#3 Feb 3, 2013
Free Republic? I've never seen anything but the WORST trash there.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#4 Feb 3, 2013
"Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling"

*This message brought to you by the fossil fuel industry.

"That is one of the most interesting conclusions to come out of the seventh International Climate Change Conference sponsored by the Heartland Institute, held last week in Chicago."

It's a lie.

An anonymous donor called "Heartland Insider" released documents in February 2012 of the Heartland Institute's budget, fundraising plan, and Climate Strategy for 2012.

The 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy states that the Institute got $200,000 in 2011 from the Charles G. Koch Foundation, and nearly a million from an anonymous donor. Goals of the organization included:

working with David E. Wojick on "providing [K-12 school] curriculum that shows that the topic of climate change is controversial and uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science";
"sponsor[ing] the NIPCC [Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change] to undermine the official United Nation's IPCC [International Panel on Climate Change] reports" including paying "a team of writers $388,000 in 2011 to work on a series of editions of Climate Change Reconsidered"; and
funding climate change deniers Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), Fred Singer ($5,000 a month), James Taylor who has written a lot about Climategate through his Forbes blog, and Anthony Watts ($90,000 for 2012) to challenge "warmist science essays that counter our own," including funding "external networks (such as WUWT [Watts Up With That?] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."[18]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#5 Feb 4, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
In the 1980's, yearly Arctic sea ice VOLUME, built up by the North Pole being in darkness for 6 months, would melt ~50+% by the September summer low sea ice VOLUMES. However, the AGW warmed Arctic biosphere now thins the ices over the decades & Arctic sea ice VOLUME, in September 2012, REDUCED BY 84% FROM MARCH, 2012 HIGHS. Arctic sea ice VOLUMES are reduced not only by area, but by extreme thinning of ices. In very possibly 3 to 5 years, such thinning could occur that a major late summer Arctic storm, might shove & fold up the thin ice into a southern solar heated Arctic sea against an Arctic landform. Possibly 1 to 2 million square kilometers of Arctic sea ice could fold up, melt & disappear.
And you think topix doesn’t know what you publish? Attacks on me won't delete or erase what you are and what you do. You should stop making an ASSumption of your---self before you know the facts. Do contact topix to satisfy your accusations of the reprint BS your posting of what I said. You are a dumbASSumption of your---self again.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#6 Feb 4, 2013
"Central to these natural cycles is the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). Every 25 to 30 years the oceans undergo a natural cycle where the colder water below churns to replace the warmer water at the surface, and that affects global temperatures by the fractions of a degree we have seen. The PDO was cold from the late 1940s to the late 1970s, and it was warm from the late 1970s to the late 1990s, similar to the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO)."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012...

It's those pesky oceans again.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#7 Feb 4, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
"Central to these natural cycles is the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). Every 25 to 30 years the oceans undergo a natural cycle where the colder water below churns to replace the warmer water at the surface, and that affects global temperatures by the fractions of a degree we have seen. The PDO was cold from the late 1940s to the late 1970s, and it was warm from the late 1970s to the late 1990s, similar to the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO)."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012...
It's those pesky oceans again.
It's not the PDO.

http://www.realclimate.org/images/Model1.jpg
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#8 Feb 4, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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It's not the PDO.
http://www.realclimate.org/images/Model1.jpg
Your graph says it is the PDO.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/f...

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/best-upper/f...

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from...

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss-land/fro...

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah-land/fro...

Actually each of the above show warming during the positive phases of the PDO, both the most recent ending in 2007 and the positive phase that ended in 1947. And notice what temps did during the negative phase,'47 to '77.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#9 Feb 4, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Your graph says it is the PDO.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/f...
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/best-upper/f...
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from...
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss-land/fro...
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah-land/fro...
Actually each of the above show warming during the positive phases of the PDO, both the most recent ending in 2007 and the positive phase that ended in 1947. And notice what temps did during the negative phase,'47 to '77.
No it doesn't.
The PDO shows no trend, and therefore the PDO is not responsible for the trend of global warming.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Pacific-Decad...
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#10 Feb 4, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
No it doesn't.
<quoted text>
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Pacific-Decad...
The graph skeptical science posted shows a direct match between the PDO phases and temps.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HRi56_9Lv_c/ULEcIkU...

Now take a look at this one.

http://climatereview.net/ChewTheFat/wp-conten...

You can see the relationship of solar activity, pdo activity and temps. Notice when the pdo went negative during the mid century solar activity was high. Temps didn't really decrease much but flattened for the approx 30 years. Then notice when the pdo switched back to positive the sun was still in high activity and the temps increased. This chart shows cycle 24 at a value predicted by NASA. Cycle 24 did not achieve that level.

http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison...

If what we saw during the 20th century is a predictor of future events, then lower solar activity, a negative pdo, should result in lower temps or a hiatus in increasing temps which is what we have seen.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/f...

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#11 Feb 4, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Your graph says it is the PDO.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/f...
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/best-upper/f...
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from...
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss-land/fro...
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah-land/fro...
Actually each of the above show warming during the positive phases of the PDO, both the most recent ending in 2007 and the positive phase that ended in 1947. And notice what temps did during the negative phase,'47 to '77.
Yes! Those 30 year cycles are there. No question.

But! You completely ignore they are riding a warming slope.

If it were purely PDO cycles -- they would be riding a horizontal line, not a rising slope.

It's easily seen here:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/F...

And Dr. Muller independantly verified NASA's graph with the original weather station data and got almost identical results he said.
{And his study was funded partly using the Koch brother's money; and at the beginning he had the blessings of the skeptics. Obviously they had nothing but hatred for him after his findings. LOL.)

Look at the graph and TELL me why that is wrong, please.

PHD

Cibolo, TX

#12 Feb 4, 2013
Mr. Muller said he really didn't know. You keep omitting that part of his report. There you have it the wallop10 getting walloped again and again.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#13 Feb 4, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
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The graph skeptical science posted shows a direct match between the PDO phases and temps.
Just not the trend.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/PDO_vs...
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#14 Feb 4, 2013
Mr. Muller said he really didn't know. You keep omitting that part of his report. There you have it the wallop10 getting walloped again and again.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#15 Feb 4, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Just not the trend.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/PDO_vs...
The PDO moves through two phases, it doesn't increase like temperature. In the positive phase El Ninos are more frequent and intense and La Ninas are less so. In the negative phase La Ninas are more frequent and El Ninos less frequent.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#16 Feb 4, 2013
AHH fashionable scientific science fiction.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#17 Feb 4, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
The PDO moves through two phases, it doesn't increase like temperature. In the positive phase El Ninos are more frequent and intense and La Ninas are less so. In the negative phase La Ninas are more frequent and El Ninos less frequent.
The PDO moves through two phases, it doesn't increase like temperature. In the positive phase El Ninos are more frequent and intense and La Ninas are less so. In the negative phase La Ninas are more frequent and El Ninos less frequent.

Why aren't they falling along a horizonal temperature line over the long term then -- huh????

A major reason you're not credible, is you cherrypick the evidence to ignore EVERY data that proves you wrong. When I point out that side of the evidence, you pretend I never said anything, you want me to relook at your cherrpicked data.

Science means you have to explain ALL of the data.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#18 Feb 4, 2013
PHD wrote:
Mr. Muller said he really didn't know.
Liar. He said that BEFORE his study, not AFTER it.

Proof.

Interview:

FLATOW: So tell us about your change of mind and heart about this issue.

MULLER: Well, if you had asked me a year ago, I might have said I didn't know whether there was global warming at all. But we had begun a major study, scientific reinvestigation. We were addressing what I consider to be legitimate criticisms of many of the skeptics.

But about nine months ago, we reached a conclusion that global warming was indeed taking place, that all of the effects that the skeptics raised could be addressed, and to my surprise, actually, the global warming was approximately what people had previously said.

It came as a bigger surprise over the last three to six months when our young scientist Robert Rohde was able to adopt really excellent statistical methods and push the record back to 1753. With such a long record, we could then separate out the signatures of solar variability, of volcanic eruptions, of El Nino and so on. And actually, to my surprise, the clear signature that really matched the rise in the data was human carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. It just matched so much better than anything else. I was just stunned.

http://www.npr.org/2012/08/03/158085161/chang...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#19 Feb 4, 2013
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
The PDO moves through two phases, it doesn't increase like temperature.
It doesn't increase temperatures, either.

It's just internal variability.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#20 Feb 4, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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It doesn't increase temperatures, either.
It's just internal variability.
I actually understood that. Thanks.
Let me test that:
He could say it increases AVERAGE temperatures, right?

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