2009 second-hottest year yet

2009 second-hottest year yet

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Northie

Spokane, WA

#1 Jan 22, 2010


NASA GISS now says 2009 is the second-hottest year recorded, and a near-tie with the hottest.
Earthling

Hellín, Spain

#2 Jan 22, 2010
That's good news for me because I enjoy warmth and it's good news for warmie doomists who want to be able to say, I told you so.

So I'm happy for doomists and me, this earthling could ask for nothing more, because the idea of cooling makes me shiver.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#3 Jan 22, 2010
Earthling

Hellín, Spain

#4 Jan 23, 2010
Nope, that's old news, we've had the wettest last few months for quite a while.
"Rain in Spain boosts hydro, irrigation reserves"
http://www.eleconomista.es/empresas-finanzas/...
In fact we've had too much for a couple of years, Oct 2007:
http://www.euroresidentes.com/Blogs/2007/10/r...
Do try to keep up, Norfie, I know your wish is for drought in the northern hemisphere to prove your point, but at the moment the climate isn't playing ball with your theory.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#5 Jan 23, 2010
Earthling wrote:
Nope, that's old news, we've had the wettest last few months for quite a while.
"Rain in Spain boosts hydro, irrigation reserves"
http://www.eleconomista.es/empresas-finanzas/...
In fact we've had too much for a couple of years, Oct 2007:
http://www.euroresidentes.com/Blogs/2007/10/r...
Do try to keep up, Norfie, I know your wish is for drought in the northern hemisphere to prove your point, but at the moment the climate isn't playing ball with your theory.
You're enjoying a brief El Nino reprieve from epic drought, nothing more. The Southern US and Southern Australia are getting the same very-overdue moisture for the same reasons, while areas like mine are seeing their usual El Nino drought, caused by tropical moisture staying closer to the subtropics. That does not mean that global drought is slowing down; it's still up by a third over the past thirty years.

2010 may well be the warmest year yet.
mr Giblets

Carmarthen, UK

#6 Jan 23, 2010
Northie wrote:
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You're enjoying a brief El Nino reprieve from epic drought, nothing more. The Southern US and Southern Australia are getting the same very-overdue moisture for the same reasons, while areas like mine are seeing their usual El Nino drought, caused by tropical moisture staying closer to the subtropics. That does not mean that global drought is slowing down; it's still up by a third over the past thirty years.
2010 may well be the warmest year yet.
nice to hear how hot last year was, I wouldn't have known if you hadn't told me. We had record rainfall for 2 years now, and in the past, we have rarely gone short of water. I am one of many British people who has property in Spain to get away from the "warm weather" Gore promised England. Is it coming next year?
Earthling

Hellín, Spain

#7 Jan 23, 2010
Northie wrote:
You're enjoying a brief El Nino reprieve from epic drought, nothing more. The Southern US and Southern Australia are getting the same very-overdue moisture for the same reasons, while areas like mine are seeing their usual El Nino drought, caused by tropical moisture staying closer to the subtropics. That does not mean that global drought is slowing down; it's still up by a third over the past thirty years.
Thanks for your expert opinion, based on what???
You warmies appear to rely on El Niños to raise the temperature, with CO2 as an afterthought.
Northie wrote:
2010 may well be the warmest year yet.
I sincerely hope you, "may be" right, it would be nice if Spain reverted back to its old sweltering self.
But hang on a sec, didn't you say that 2009 was a record warm year?
Did I miss it?
Northie

Spokane, WA

#8 Jan 23, 2010
mr Giblets wrote:
<quoted text>nice to hear how hot last year was, I wouldn't have known if you hadn't told me. We had record rainfall for 2 years now, and in the past, we have rarely gone short of water. I am one of many British people who has property in Spain to get away from the "warm weather" Gore promised England. Is it coming next year?
Look up "Arctic oscillation".
Anonymous For a Reason

Weed, CA

#9 Jan 23, 2010
It is funny how I haven't seen much change. The whole thing is ridiculous.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#10 Jan 24, 2010
Anonymous For a Reason wrote:
It is funny how I haven't seen much change. The whole thing is ridiculous.
It doesn't take much of a change in temperatures to cost lives and treasure by the boatload. I'd tell you to wait until the bill arrives, but they'll bill me and everyone I love as well.

Since: Sep 09

Calgary, Canada

#11 Jan 24, 2010
NASA's dataset pegs 2009 as number two with the January-December average, but only number five with their December-November average.

A shift in ranking of that much with only a trivial difference of 0.01 degree in the average only highlights how close in temperature most of the last ten years or so have been.

In other words, temperatures have changed so very very little that there has not been any statistically signifigant warming of late.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/G...

Meanwhile the NOAA dataset finds 2009 as the sixth warmest year.

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/da ta/anomalies/annual.land_ocean .90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat

The Hadley Centre takes a little more time to process their data, but up to the end of November the 2009 average of 0.44 puts that year as fifth warmest, behind 1998, 2005, 2003, and 2002.

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/indicators/index....

http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnost...

There's not much there about which to crow for continued warming, and as the current El Nino fades (as all such do) the extra warming it provides will fade as well, and the underlying global cooling will reassert itself.

Since: Aug 08

Bridgeville, PA

#13 Jan 24, 2010
GlynnMhor wrote:
........ temperatures have changed so very very little that there has not been any statistically signifigant warming of late.
Considering that the last of the past decade was dominated by a century record 3+years of solar minimum radiating as low as 2 parts per 1000 below normal, La Nina, & low cycle of the PDO, it is amazing that Earth temperature in the last of the most recent decade was as warm as it was. Those increasing quantities of man-made GHGs do have a goodly effect.

Of course, all the deniers who are cowering in the homes saying they are cold should have been in the S.Hemisphere, instead of declaring the Ice Age was upon us.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#14 Jan 24, 2010
Don't bother, Litesong. GlybbWhor is on the Alberta energy industry payroll.
Earthling

Hellín, Spain

#15 Jan 24, 2010
Northie wrote:
It doesn't take much of a change in temperatures to cost lives and treasure by the boatload.
It doesn't take anything to cost lives!
"Treasure?"
Northie wrote:
I'd tell you to wait until the bill arrives, but they'll bill me and everyone I love as well.
I feel sorry for everyone you love.
Earthling

Hellín, Spain

#16 Jan 24, 2010
Northie wrote:
Don't bother, Litesong. GlybbWhor is on the Alberta energy industry payroll.
And you know that for a fact because????

Don't tell me, I know!

Since: Sep 09

Calgary, Canada

#17 Jan 24, 2010
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>Those increasing quantities of man-made GHGs do have a goodly effect.
And that effect is... no warming.

Warming stalled some years ago, despite the enthusiastic predictions of the climate modellers, who have been watching in vain for a return to the halcyon days rapid warming of the 1970-2000 period.

Since: Aug 08

Bridgeville, PA

#18 Jan 24, 2010
GlynnMhor wrote:
<quoted text>
And that effect is... no warming.
Warming stalled some years ago......
You keep depending on the simultaneous solar minimum radiating at 2 parts per 1000 below normal, La Nina, & low cycle PDO without mentioning their cooling effects. Of course, you'll mention solar maximum, El Nino & high cycle PDO coinciding when the crops are burning up.

Man-made infrared energy absorbing CO2 increases are subtle. Natural temporary cooling & warming cycles traditionally overwhelm CO2, methane & other GHG infra-red energy absorbing warming. However, CO2, methane & other increasing GHG infra-red energy absorbing GHGs continually warm, & do not cyclically warm & cool.

So keep depending on the cooling cycles, but don't mention the warming cycles.

Since: Sep 09

Calgary, Canada

#19 Jan 24, 2010
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep depending on the simultaneous solar minimum radiating at 2 parts per 1000 below normal, La Nina, & low cycle PDO without mentioning their cooling effects.
It's actually not the solar irradiation that is in question, but the effects of the increasing cosmic ray flux on water vapour retention in the atmosphere.

The terrestrial manifestation of the solar cooling effect is a shift in the ENSO index toward (on average) more and longer Ninas as opposed to Ninos.

Landscheidt predicted that there would be a very strong Nino around 1998 followed by an equally strong Nina using his resonances of planetary positions and thus solar angular momentum changes.

The IPCC in contrast just doesn't seem to manage to predict anything particularly well.

In any case, the IPCC and AGW hypesters depending on the increasing CO2 to continue to drive warmer and warmer temperatures have been confounded by the absence of anything resembling that.

Since: Aug 08

Bridgeville, PA

#20 Jan 24, 2010
GlynnMhor wrote:
<quoted text>
It's actually not the solar irradiation that is in question, but the effects of the increasing cosmic ray flux on water vapour retention in the atmosphere.
The terrestrial manifestation of the solar cooling effect is a shift in the ENSO index toward (on average) more and longer Ninas as opposed to Ninos.
Landscheidt predicted that there would be a very strong Nino around 1998 followed by an equally strong Nina using his resonances of planetary positions and thus solar angular momentum changes..
Despite astronomers NOT verifying cosmic ray effects on clouds, either in the past or in the present by CERN, deniers keep hoping for a miracle. Despite deniers reliance on older or retired individual scientists & failing in their attempts to denigrate effects of infra-red energy absorbing CO2, deniers keep hoping for a miracle. Now deniers rely on a scientist 6 years dead & hope for lots more miracles. As deniers denigrate AGW advocates who believe in the best science, calling them religionists, deniers grow their own religion based on exxon PR boardroom confusion & non-science.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#21 Jan 24, 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius

The pseudo science of anthropogenic global warming was first 'measured' by Svante Arrhenius's analysis of moonbeams. When the moon is lower in the sky, it's less bright. Svante attributed this to CO2's greenhouse effect. Its a science based on misinterpretation, errors, bias and fantasy. Then Svante went on to the science of eugenics and racial purification, that's what you call, progress.

There isn't a single experiment on climate change mitigation. Not one demonstration, sample, test or trial. Its a pseudo science and a hoax, a power grab and a money maker for politicians and their crony corporate friends. A herd group think for researchers looking for funds, but too stupid to experimentally verify the theory.

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